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| Dargoth |
Posted - 08 Nov 2005 : 21:30:33
Interesting comment by Rich Baker over at WOTC
"We're toying with the idea of if/how/when we could do Undermountain, but there's nothing concrete I can tell you yet. It would be a ways out still (not 2006), so that's just a little too far down the road to make any promises."
So if they did do one how would you like WOTC to do it
Definitions
1) A Worlds largest Dungeon style product, Worlds largest dungeon was a massive dungeon crawl.
According to Amazon
"Over 900,000 words and 16 full color 22x17 in poster maps of adventure in the largest dungeon gaming has ever known!"
"The largest d20 system book ever made."
"Over 1,600 rooms and encounters."
It retails for around $69 USD
2) A series: basicly every year WOTC release a 160 page source book detailing 1 level of Undermoutain
3) Rooms of Undermoutain: Basicly what weve been getting in from the WOTC website
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| Alisttair |
Posted - 19 Sep 2006 : 02:58:44
Exactly, a 3E (3.5E) update to Undermountain is much needed. The online stuff is all n good but not everybody has access to the internet as much as we do :P |
| Beirnadri Magranth |
Posted - 17 Sep 2006 : 16:05:05
no! focus on undermountain plz! the only things we have for it are 2ed. anyway, i agree with Arivia- make it the WLD style. WLD wasnt so good bc it was so random and generic.
ive actually had friends who played wld saying it was undermountain to new players. |
| Patrakis |
Posted - 23 Aug 2006 : 04:50:49
Geez, we pretty much have everything we need for undermountain right now...Focus on something new for a change!! please!! |
| Arkhaedun |
Posted - 23 Aug 2006 : 03:00:45
I wonder if they are going to do this as a strict FR product with its own format or if they are going to do the "Expedition to . . . " treatment to it. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 23 Aug 2006 : 01:08:41
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth
Well its now official where getting an Undermountain module in 2007
From Rich Baker over at the WOTC boards
"You'll be pleased to learn that we have an Undermountain adventure on the schedule for next year. There's a good chance that we will also have an Anauroch adventure which may or may not refer to Netherese ruins; too early to say much on that one yet."
Those are great locales! |
| Archwizard |
Posted - 23 Aug 2006 : 01:04:01
Interesting. Of all the places to make a module/regional sourcebook, Undermountain is probably the perfect fit. |
| Dargoth |
Posted - 23 Aug 2006 : 00:52:10
Well its now official where getting an Undermountain module in 2007
From Rich Baker over at the WOTC boards
"You'll be pleased to learn that we have an Undermountain adventure on the schedule for next year. There's a good chance that we will also have an Anauroch adventure which may or may not refer to Netherese ruins; too early to say much on that one yet."
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| Alisttair |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 04:42:39
If we could get a loads of Undermountain, all the better. It really is a region in and of itself. |
| Reefy |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 02:27:16
quote:
Originally posted by kalin agrivar
I would like to see three things: first a 3.5 update of the first two Undermountain box sets...in a super-box set format (if for anything to get rid of the lame idea of “a book with a weak-papered crappy tear-out maps to use”) With two source books, one based purly on the dungeons and the second with stat blocks on items, npc’s and whatnot...
Then a second a normal box set with all the 2nd Ed. “Lost Levels” converted to 3.5 with their adjoining maps and possibly a few new mini-levels
As the 3.5 Waterdeep book was the first book to give canon of the whole (general) layout I would then like to see a series of box sets each describing one of the levels (from top to bottom) with maybe a sub-level or two...and that the CR of each lower level gets worse and worse until Halaster’s final lair (and not the Volo ending  )
Unlike Castle Greyhawk, the Tomb of Horrors or Night Below (to name a few great/super “dungeon crawls”) I think Undermountain is in a class by itself not for it’s size but for the multiple storylines going on through the dungeon...to me Undermountain is not a “dungeon site” but a separate, living region of the Realms...more like a city or small kingdom than a dungeon
P.S. I would also like those box sets not made up of the most premium materials (paper and ink) with the most expensive artists with full page renderings nor the maps top-of-the-line so the price of the box sets won’t be more than a day’s wages (at least no more than the $50 cost range, Canadian funds that is  )
Not asking for much, are you?
That said, I'd not be complaining about that. |
| Kalin Agrivar |
Posted - 15 Aug 2006 : 15:39:12
I would like to see three things: first a 3.5 update of the first two Undermountain box sets...in a super-box set format (if for anything to get rid of the lame idea of “a book with a weak-papered crappy tear-out maps to use”) With two source books, one based purly on the dungeons and the second with stat blocks on items, npc’s and whatnot...
Then a second a normal box set with all the 2nd Ed. “Lost Levels” converted to 3.5 with their adjoining maps and possibly a few new mini-levels
As the 3.5 Waterdeep book was the first book to give canon of the whole (general) layout I would then like to see a series of box sets each describing one of the levels (from top to bottom) with maybe a sub-level or two...and that the CR of each lower level gets worse and worse until Halaster’s final lair (and not the Volo ending )
Unlike Castle Greyhawk, the Tomb of Horrors or Night Below (to name a few great/super “dungeon crawls”) I think Undermountain is in a class by itself not for it’s size but for the multiple storylines going on through the dungeon...to me Undermountain is not a “dungeon site” but a separate, living region of the Realms...more like a city or small kingdom than a dungeon
P.S. I would also like those box sets not made up of the most premium materials (paper and ink) with the most expensive artists with full page renderings nor the maps top-of-the-line so the price of the box sets won’t be more than a day’s wages (at least no more than the $50 cost range, Canadian funds that is )
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| Ergdusch |
Posted - 15 Aug 2006 : 15:01:45
A series would be best I think! A new series of boxed sets would be too much to ask for, I guess?!?! |
| Alisttair |
Posted - 15 Aug 2006 : 04:18:04
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth
quote:
Originally posted by Alisttair
So any chance still of an UM Product?
Well Kuje did say that Wizards are thinking of doing boxsets again
That would be good. Boxsets are very handy, being able to store your maps and extra notes and all. Here's hoping! |
| Dargoth |
Posted - 15 Aug 2006 : 02:01:10
quote:
Originally posted by Alisttair
So any chance still of an UM Product?
Well Kuje did say that Wizards are thinking of doing boxsets again |
| Alisttair |
Posted - 15 Aug 2006 : 00:38:47
So any chance still of an UM Product? |
| Faraer |
Posted - 11 Mar 2006 : 11:47:17
Eytan, thanks for your input here. A series of Undermountain books would also suffer from the sales fall-off that happens with numbered series: except that unlike, say, the FR sourcebooks and the Harpers novels, not having the early ones really would make the later ones less worthwhile to you. I have to think that a big book -- 300 or 400 pages rather than the World's Largest Dungeon's 800+ -- is a better prospect, even if it we'd prefer a really full treatment. There's only one Undermountain, i.e. it has the same 'only we can publish the Realms' appeal that Erik Mona has noted for Dragon and Dungeon -- and it has good crossover potential.
Development of CZ is held up by Gary Gygax's stroke and the fact that Rob Kuntz isn't a full-time writer. |
| Julian Grimm |
Posted - 11 Mar 2006 : 04:33:30
I'd like to see the one level per book approach. Troll Lord Games is trying this with their Castle Zagyg series. However they are not getting the books out fast enough.
I'd like to see WOTC's take on something similar and maybe light a fire under TLG to finally produce the second book in CZ. |
| EytanBernstein |
Posted - 11 Mar 2006 : 02:48:24
The issue with undermountain is a combination of cost (how many designers, cartographers, artists, editors, and developers do you need), time, and production length. It would be hard to do something like the World's Largest Dungeon with a realms product. It would eat up so much design time. I think we're better off with a larger number of smaller dungeons. |
| Faraer |
Posted - 10 Mar 2006 : 17:11:23
The second option would be three times the page count per level than Ruins of Undermountain. That's overkill compared to all the other subjects due for covering, and a bigger and less likely commitment from Wizards (along with a chance of the lower levels, again, not making it into print). |
| Alisttair |
Posted - 10 Mar 2006 : 13:28:49
I also would like the multi volume series. Every 6 month would be awesome. And they would definately have to make one for EVERY level, not just the top three. It would be great. |
| Vangelor |
Posted - 29 Nov 2005 : 10:05:53
I am trying to imagine the book. I see something as thick as it is wide. It would have to weigh something like twenty-five pounds. A full-page illustration to fit on the spine. That would be a must-have.  |
| Fletcher |
Posted - 14 Nov 2005 : 17:23:52
I personally hate it when i lose one small but important book in a series. finding that particular book is usually difficult to impossible. Other people have it, but are unwilling to part with it...
I would love to have it all in one really mammoth, Websters dictionary styl, book rather than in the Encyclopedia set. |
| Saime |
Posted - 14 Nov 2005 : 15:27:45
The second option. Mega-books like World’s Largest Dungeon are of no interest to me. And a room by room approach is too tedious for my taste.
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| Xysma |
Posted - 14 Nov 2005 : 15:01:41
A series is the way to go, a new level every six months to a year, by the time we wrap up one level, the next one is coming out. Plus I think trying to cram it all into one book (no matter how large) may end up cutting some lore and make it seem too generic, and not as Realms-centric (which is my big complaint with the web series thus far.) |
| Brian R. James |
Posted - 10 Nov 2005 : 00:37:59
Frankly, I'd like to see WotC to move on to some place new. There are plenty of other dungeons in the Realms other than Undermountain. |
| Neriandal Freit |
Posted - 10 Nov 2005 : 00:33:45
Interesting...I'm still a bit lost but interesting. |
| Kuje |
Posted - 09 Nov 2005 : 22:30:21
quote:
Originally posted by Slime Lord
What is this Ptolus?
3rd party book by Monte Cook. :)
http://www.montecook.com/cgi-bin/page.cgi?ptolus |
| hooper101 |
Posted - 09 Nov 2005 : 22:03:36
I am all for a slow climb! Why not bleed every drop of info we can get and enjoy the ideas. |
| Neriandal Freit |
Posted - 09 Nov 2005 : 21:58:02
What is this Ptolus? |
| The Sage |
Posted - 09 Nov 2005 : 12:54:12
quote:
Originally posted by Keravin
Ptolus is my big book purchase next year.
Aye! And mine as well.
Monte's also hinted at another massive update for the content of the book -- throwing it well over the 800-900+ page limit it's at now  .
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| Keravin |
Posted - 09 Nov 2005 : 11:55:38
Given I'm more interested in the higher levels the level by level would suit me better and also be easier on the pocket. Ptolus is my big book purchase next year. |
