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| Kuje |
Posted - 02 Sep 2005 : 01:07:31
So,
Here's my question for the month since some posters over the WOTC boards want to put the Chosen up on a pedestal.
My question is this: Since we know that most of the game designers consider FR a living world, are the Chosens of Mystra more important, as NPCs, then the commoners, laborers, and others that make up most of the population of Faerun?
I seriously can't wrap my mind around how 12+ people can be more important then the thousands+ of commoners and laborers that make up most of the population of Faerun. |
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| Crennen FaerieBane |
Posted - 11 Sep 2005 : 08:32:18
Ok.... with that, the chosen are settted!
C-Fb |
| Shadovar |
Posted - 11 Sep 2005 : 01:45:10
quote:
Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
None needed.
I think we've determined that the Chosen is some aspects are more important, but should never overshadow the importance of those normal people who take up arms and defend or fight for their causes (the PCs).
C-Fb
Aye, i agree completely with you too. |
| Kes_Alanadel |
Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 18:44:06
quote:
Originally posted by Thelonius
quote:
I think we've determined that the Chosen is some aspects are more important, but should never overshadow the importance of those normal people who take up arms and defend or fight for their causes (the PCs).
::Nodding his head:: Completely agree.
As do I |
| Thelonius |
Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 18:31:23
quote:
I think we've determined that the Chosen is some aspects are more important, but should never overshadow the importance of those normal people who take up arms and defend or fight for their causes (the PCs).
::Nodding his head:: Completely agree. |
| Crennen FaerieBane |
Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 16:36:56
Hey, no brandishing of the vorpal swords here. None needed.
I think we've determined that the Chosen is some aspects are more important, but should never overshadow the importance of those normal people who take up arms and defend or fight for their causes (the PCs).
And thanks to Erik Scott de Bie and KEJR - we know not to mess with the Chosen on anything romantic or spell-like!
C-Fb |
| Erik Scott de Bie |
Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 20:52:38
quote:
Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
And seriously, what's up with the Dwarf with the Charisma of 9? Even rude dwarves need to get theirs!
C-Fb
Well, you see, that depends. . .
On whether he's a Chosen or not. 
And allow me just to add, Kuje, before your thread returns to your control, that Vorpal swords tend to take care of those kind of debates. . .
And not in the way you'd expect. 
Cheers |
| Kajehase |
Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 20:00:40
I dunno Forge, what kind of moles is it he's slaying? Could be a spy-novel. |
| Forge |
Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 18:17:06
Methinks that The Chosen of Mystra ARE more important than 10,000 commoners. This solely because they are repository for the power of the Weave and without that balance, the whole of Faerun goes kablooey.
Now, are they personally, intrinsically worth more? Nah, beyond being cool and fun. They get written about because they DO things tho. (Or DO things because they are written about... hard to phrase that right when you are talking about characters in a novel.) No one wants to hear about Goodsir Galen the Mole-slayer out hoeing again. |
| Chosen of Moradin |
Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 18:10:26
Not exactly, Master Kuje!
Our comrades here was only discussing the behaviour of an lithari adventurer that think of himself more important that the Chosen...
So, they are talking about the topic, yet... 
Chosen of Moradin, proclaiming that all goblinoids are equal, in the ligth of my Waraxe.... |
| Kuje |
Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 17:12:36
My thread got highjacked. :) |
| Crennen FaerieBane |
Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 14:29:20
Well, some people just have to learn than when an amazon-sized babe in tattered clothes appears out of no where and is radiating power (and has a locket with El's pic), that you just don't ever, ever ever, magic missile them. 
C-Fb |
| Tifus Artwin |
Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 11:14:34
Hmmmm Ouch, is all you can really say to that. |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 04:00:28
tsk tsk . . . haven't been reading my campaign journal, lol.
In my campaign, the way the rift opened above Shadowdale, as seen in Elminster in Hell, was due to the Shadovar finding a way to drop a ward that El had up. A Shadovar ambassador had made contact with Nergal to open up the rift, and one of my PCs was an unwitting pawn, bringing a shadow weave artifact into the wards area, thus negating it.
When the Simbul showed up to see what was happening, every other member of the party dropped their weapons to show that they meant no harm, but the lythari sorcerer fired a magic missle at her. It failed . . .
The Simbul, furious but still wanting to keep them alive in case she needed to find out more information, blasted the party into the Astral plane.
Oh, the artifact was a ring . . . the lythari is now known as Mourn Nine-fingers. You do the math. The druid wanted the whole hand taken off, but the cleric figured just the finger with the ring would do . . . |
| Crennen FaerieBane |
Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 02:28:43
And seriously, what's up with the Dwarf with the Charisma of 9? Even rude dwarves need to get theirs!
C-Fb |
| The Sage |
Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 02:03:49
You can't just leave that hanging KnightErrantJR...  .
Why did the Simbul blast the party of PCs onto the Astral?
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| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 08 Sep 2005 : 19:32:49
After the Simbul blasted the party into the Astral Plane none of my PCs want anything to do with any females with silver hair, no matter what they look like. |
| Erik Scott de Bie |
Posted - 08 Sep 2005 : 19:28:36
quote:
Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
You mean I shouldn't use Storm Silverhand as a possible love interest for one of my PCs? I've also used Qilue in the past as well. They are great for that whole unrequited love arc.
C-Fb
I'm reminded of a dwarf thief (2nd level) in one of my campaigns who attempted (thanks to his grand 9 charisma) to seduce then-Princess Alusair. It can happen -- and lead to amusing misadventures.
When the Seven show up in my campaigns as romantic interest objects, they tend to do what they do in the novels -- charm the pants off an adventurer, then disappear and get back to the real work that chosen do.
Happy hunting!
Cheers |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 08 Sep 2005 : 17:13:57
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
I'm always willing to allow such situations for creative players who can generate a detailed and "plausible" reason for why such a scenario exists.
Creative, detailed, and plausible...three characteristics I rarely see featured in online threads that have a topic like "My Character is a Chosen Of the Fluffy Bunny God" or "My half-orc/moon elf ranger's Moonblade." |
| The Sage |
Posted - 08 Sep 2005 : 15:04:28
quote:
Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
You mean I shouldn't use Storm Silverhand as a possible love interest for one of my PCs? I've also used Qilue in the past as well. They are great for that whole unrequited love arc.
C-Fb
Not necessarily. I'm always willing to allow such situations for creative players who can generate a detailed and "plausible" reason for why such a scenario exists. If a player was to suggest to me something like you're saying here... I'd look to understand why the player wants to do this (other than because it is "cool") and ask that they first put some work into supporting that plot element for their PC.
Sometimes, situations like this yield surprising adventure hooks... and so long as they're interesting, I'll always consider following them up.
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| Crennen FaerieBane |
Posted - 08 Sep 2005 : 14:43:48
You mean I shouldn't use Storm Silverhand as a possible love interest for one of my PCs? I've also used Qilue in the past as well. They are great for that whole unrequited love arc.
C-Fb |
| The Sage |
Posted - 08 Sep 2005 : 14:38:53
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
There is no single, over-all "Chosen" template that applies to all deities.
Nor should there be. The Chosen (and I'm only really referring to Mystra's Chosen here) are more useful in campaigns as extended plot devices -- or at the very least... as references that get dropped here and there in the adventurers path.
For me, Mystra's Chosen are like moonblades, the deities themselves, and the Lady of Pain -- campaign elements that should never be used in an adventure simply because they are "cool". I need more to justify their inclusion in my campaigns. To put it simply, having a "Chosen" template that is generic enough to apply to nearly every Chosen ever mentioned in the canon would de-value their roles in the Realms.
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 08 Sep 2005 : 11:23:16
quote:
Originally posted by Tifus Artwin
Back on Topic However, does anyone know what the Basic templet for a Chosen is? I know it has it for Mystra in one of the books I have somewhere around here, but what about the other Deitys? Do they all follow the same templet, or are each one custamized to the Deity it came from?
~Tifus
There is no single, over-all "Chosen" template that applies to all deities. |
| Tifus Artwin |
Posted - 08 Sep 2005 : 09:36:43
Back on Topic However, does anyone know what the Basic templet for a Chosen is? I know it has it for Mystra in one of the books I have somewhere around here, but what about the other Deitys? Do they all follow the same templet, or are each one custamized to the Deity it came from?
~Tifus |
| Tifus Artwin |
Posted - 08 Sep 2005 : 09:34:17
I went over and looked at it, didnt think it was really worth the time to hit the reply button to be honest. Ive seen to many of those threads over there lately and Ive just started to ignore them, let them be stupid all they want. |
| Kuje |
Posted - 08 Sep 2005 : 03:24:23
quote:
Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Kuje, are you still battling those morons over there? You should know by now they are stuck in their semi-ignorant ways.
C-Fb
Yeah..... :) But I stopped for a few days and it's time to stop again. |
| Crennen FaerieBane |
Posted - 08 Sep 2005 : 02:53:35
Kuje, are you still battling those morons over there? You should know by now they are stuck in their semi-ignorant ways.
C-Fb |
| Kuje |
Posted - 08 Sep 2005 : 00:48:17
It's in the FR board in the People and Places forum. The thread is Who hates Elminster. The commoner/laborer discussion are on pages 3 to 5 or 6 now. :) |
| Tifus Artwin |
Posted - 07 Sep 2005 : 21:58:22
By the Way Kuje, where is this thread at? Id love to go over there and say what I have said here and to see what else is going on, but I cant seem to be able to find it anywhere over there.
Mind tossing out the link to the Thread here?
~Tifus |
| Tifus Artwin |
Posted - 07 Sep 2005 : 21:28:09
Glad that we are on the same page and of the same mind of the subject Kuje, Ive been playing DnD since about '94, been playing off and on in the Realms since about '96 and El and anyothers above about 18th lvl have never really been apart of those games Ive ran, or played in, doesnt make them any less Important, just means that they are other wise busy, and or otherwise indisposed.
However when it comes down to it, if I had to choise who was more important I would have to say the average commoner that provides the power behind everyone else, consider them the grease that keeps everything running, without it/them everything falls apart.
~Tifus |
| Kuje |
Posted - 07 Sep 2005 : 20:13:49
Tifus,
Exactly. Now someone else needs to say the same thing over on the wotc boards because that's what I've been saying for 2 pages and people are still telling me that Elminster is MORE important then any 1 commoner/laborer |
