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| Neriandal Freit |
Posted - 30 May 2005 : 02:30:27
Just wondering who smiles upon the Harpers? I can't seem to remember any of them right now and it's a little aggervating! :) |
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| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 09 Jun 2005 : 19:21:58
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I believe that when they gathered a tribunal because of Khelben's actions, they did that at Twilight Hall.
Yes, Cloak & Dagger page 14 confirms that location for those wishing to read more. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 09 Jun 2005 : 17:16:12
I believe that when they gathered a tribunal because of Khelben's actions, they did that at Twilight Hall. |
| Kajehase |
Posted - 09 Jun 2005 : 15:12:10
If by court you mean a place to mete out justice amongst themselves, then we have one example of that taking place in Shadowdale (Song of the Saurials), if you mean a house with a large gathering hall, then it'd probably be Twilight Hall in Berdusk, where one of the organization's leading members, Cylyria Dragonbreast rule. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 09 Jun 2005 : 15:10:26
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Originally posted by silvermage
I heard that the Harpers have court on their own, is it true? And can I know where is such court based(on Faerun)?
Are you talking about the main Harper HQ?
If so, the Harpers of Berdusk hold court in Twilight Hall. The Harpers of Shadowdale on the other hand reside in... Shadowdale  . There are smaller, but also just as important, Harper haunts -- namely Harper Hall in Silverymoon, Moongleam Tower in Everlund, and the House of the Harp in Elventree.
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| silvermage |
Posted - 09 Jun 2005 : 11:19:03
I heard that the Harpers have court on their own, is it true? And can I know where is such court based(on Faerun)? |
| Kajehase |
Posted - 08 Jun 2005 : 21:21:59
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Lysander
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Ah, but how many of Those Who Harp truly play the harp?  
You force my hand to explain why Khelben really left the Harpers and formed the Moonstars--
He can't play the harp, but he did fall in love with kazoos from his first trip to Earth!
Somehow, I just can't quite imagine Khelben playing a kazoo... But I can imagine Danilo annoying him with one! 
Bagpipes, perhaps? ;)
Nah - there are lines even Khelben won't cross!
Danilo on the other hand... |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 08 Jun 2005 : 18:00:01
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Originally posted by Lysander
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Ah, but how many of Those Who Harp truly play the harp?
You force my hand to explain why Khelben really left the Harpers and formed the Moonstars--
He can't play the harp, but he did fall in love with kazoos from his first trip to Earth!
Somehow, I just can't quite imagine Khelben playing a kazoo... But I can imagine Danilo annoying him with one!
Bagpipes, perhaps? ;)
Nah - there are lines even Khelben won't cross! |
| Lysander |
Posted - 08 Jun 2005 : 17:36:50
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Ah, but how many of Those Who Harp truly play the harp?
You force my hand to explain why Khelben really left the Harpers and formed the Moonstars--
He can't play the harp, but he did fall in love with kazoos from his first trip to Earth!
Somehow, I just can't quite imagine Khelben playing a kazoo... But I can imagine Danilo annoying him with one!
Bagpipes, perhaps? ;) |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 08 Jun 2005 : 17:13:05
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
And that's enough about me, seeing as how off-topic this post is, unless I suddenly confess to being able to play a harp.
SES
Ah, but how many of Those Who Harp truly play the harp?
You force my hand to explain why Khelben really left the Harpers and formed the Moonstars--
He can't play the harp, but he did fall in love with kazoos from his first trip to Earth!
Somehow, I just can't quite imagine Khelben playing a kazoo... But I can imagine Danilo annoying him with one! |
| Steven Schend |
Posted - 08 Jun 2005 : 13:03:05
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
And that's enough about me, seeing as how off-topic this post is, unless I suddenly confess to being able to play a harp.
SES
Ah, but how many of Those Who Harp truly play the harp?
You force my hand to explain why Khelben really left the Harpers and formed the Moonstars--
He can't play the harp, but he did fall in love with kazoos from his first trip to Earth! |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 08 Jun 2005 : 05:23:46
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
And that's enough about me, seeing as how off-topic this post is, unless I suddenly confess to being able to play a harp.
SES
Ah, but how many of Those Who Harp truly play the harp? |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 08 Jun 2005 : 02:29:21
Start with a hand harp, the octive streches are less difficult.
Of course one is limited by the range of tones the wires provide. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 08 Jun 2005 : 02:18:31
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And that's enough about me, seeing as how off-topic this post is, unless I suddenly confess to being able to play a harp.
That's something I'd like to see ...
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| Steven Schend |
Posted - 08 Jun 2005 : 02:00:26
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Originally posted by khorne
Steve, this may sound stupid but I really don`t know this, why did you leave WOTC?
It's not a stupid question, but you'll likely be unsatisfied by my answer--I left for personal reasons and embarked on a freelance career that, in retrospect, could have gone better. I'm back in Wisconsin now working for an educational publisher and enjoying myself a lot more than the previous few years.
And that's enough about me, seeing as how off-topic this post is, unless I suddenly confess to being able to play a harp.
SES |
| monch9 |
Posted - 06 Jun 2005 : 05:16:15
Well, I think there's a mention of the Moonstar Agent PRC in the preview. So, there's going to be a PRC writeup that should have some Realmslore in it.
Monch
From the Preview :
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Chapter Three provides access to a small handful of new prestige classes, including the Gray Hand Enforcer and Moon Star Agent. Chapter Four tours you through the various and sundry areas of Waterdeep, exploring each of the city's eight Wards (providing map location information for notable structures within each.) Chapter Five: Adventures in Waterdeep offers up a wealth of Things to Do for characters -- from dangerous sections of the city to the dungeons and sewers of the City of Splendors, the hazards to be found above and below the city streets are almost limitless. This is the section of the book that touches on the vast subterranean dangerfest known as Undermountain
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| The Sage |
Posted - 06 Jun 2005 : 02:34:38
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
Who's quite glad that there's still curiosity and discussion re: the tel'Teukiira a few years after the fact...even though he's got no idea where WotC plans to take them...
Hopefully we'll see some new info on them in the Waterdeep book... Either that one or the forthcoming Champions of Valor. I really, really want to see an update to this group -- they're my fave power group in the Realms.
I'm with Wooly.
And SS, there's hardly a fortnight that goes by that I don't receive an email or a PM here asking me what I know about the recent activities of the Tel'Teukiira. Interest is still very much alive and well...  .
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| khorne |
Posted - 05 Jun 2005 : 18:25:47
Steve, this may sound stupid but I really don`t know this, why did you leave WOTC? |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 05 Jun 2005 : 17:50:38
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
Who's quite glad that there's still curiosity and discussion re: the tel'Teukiira a few years after the fact...even though he's got no idea where WotC plans to take them...
Hopefully we'll see some new info on them in the Waterdeep book... Either that one or the forthcoming Champions of Valor. I really, really want to see an update to this group -- they're my fave power group in the Realms. |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 05 Jun 2005 : 16:51:11
Unfortunately Steven, it looks like their big plan is to state that they exist then ignore them for a few years . . . its been working for them so far, lol. |
| Steven Schend |
Posted - 05 Jun 2005 : 16:48:43
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Slime Lord
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Originally posted by Shadovar
Given there are vampires serving under the Moonstars, I wonder how will the recent events in Westgate where the Faceless One(A vampiric Manshoon clone) activities will draw the attention of every vampire on Faerun where they see Westgate as a new possible kingdom and capital of the vampires. Will those vampires serving under the Moonstars swap loyalties in favor of a new better life in Westgate under The Faceless one?
Does Elisstraee's Followers decide to suddenly join the Drow Pantheon? No. So, if the Moonstars are good and the Vampires that serve under are good, I would say they stay and if anything, you can create a fun little Moonstar Vamp V. Westgate Vamp battle ;)
One of the vampires is a former Harper. He's LE, but still loyal to Khelben. The other one is in Calimshan, and there's not much info beyond that.
Any vampire that decides to take on the Night King might as well spend a day on the beach, instead. It'll be less painful but have the same result.
Vampires are just as individual as living folk except in terms of those sired by another vampire (whom they must serve, if I remember the rules correctly). Besides, who would want to live where there's a lot more competition within one's hunting grounds? Besides, y'all don't know how or why those vampires work with/for Khelben, and he's not telling.
Khelben looks upon the vampires (and others with that certain "moral flexibility") akin to one moment from a fun movie THE COMMITTMENTS:
"He's our new drummer."
"But he's a savage!"
"Yeah, but he's OUR savage."
Steven
Who's quite glad that there's still curiosity and discussion re: the tel'Teukiira a few years after the fact...even though he's got no idea where WotC plans to take them...
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 02 Jun 2005 : 04:31:02
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Originally posted by Slime Lord
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Originally posted by Shadovar
Given there are vampires serving under the Moonstars, I wonder how will the recent events in Westgate where the Faceless One(A vampiric Manshoon clone) activities will draw the attention of every vampire on Faerun where they see Westgate as a new possible kingdom and capital of the vampires. Will those vampires serving under the Moonstars swap loyalties in favor of a new better life in Westgate under The Faceless one?
Does Elisstraee's Followers decide to suddenly join the Drow Pantheon? No. So, if the Moonstars are good and the Vampires that serve under are good, I would say they stay and if anything, you can create a fun little Moonstar Vamp V. Westgate Vamp battle ;)
One of the vampires is a former Harper. He's LE, but still loyal to Khelben. The other one is in Calimshan, and there's not much info beyond that.
Any vampire that decides to take on the Night King might as well spend a day on the beach, instead. It'll be less painful but have the same result. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 02 Jun 2005 : 02:47:31
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
It also wouldn't surprise me to find out that some Moonstars are still Harpers, as well, and that they've used Harper assets to accomplish Moonstar goals. Additionally, former Harpers may still have access to Harper-friendly contacts that either don't know about the Schism or simply don't care.
For the most part, there's probably a fair few Harper allies who are simply willing to ignore the methods the Moonstars utilise in order to perform their duties. To these factions, it is the overall results which actually amount to something, not the methods used to generate them.
In addition, the Harpers have probably chosen to avoid relations with certain elements because of the Harpers view on proper conduct. At the same time, these elements may have chosen to seek out the Moonstars in the hopes of fostering some type of relationship which would be unhindered by the stricter moral interpretations that are inherent within the Harper methodology.
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| Neriandal Freit |
Posted - 02 Jun 2005 : 02:23:22
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Originally posted by Shadovar
Given there are vampires serving under the Moonstars, I wonder how will the recent events in Westgate where the Faceless One(A vampiric Manshoon clone) activities will draw the attention of every vampire on Faerun where they see Westgate as a new possible kingdom and capital of the vampires. Will those vampires serving under the Moonstars swap loyalties in favor of a new better life in Westgate under The Faceless one?
Does Elisstraee's Followers decide to suddenly join the Drow Pantheon? No. So, if the Moonstars are good and the Vampires that serve under are good, I would say they stay and if anything, you can create a fun little Moonstar Vamp V. Westgate Vamp battle ;) |
| Shadovar |
Posted - 02 Jun 2005 : 00:50:22
Given there are vampires serving under the Moonstars, I wonder how will the recent events in Westgate where the Faceless One(A vampiric Manshoon clone) activities will draw the attention of every vampire on Faerun where they see Westgate as a new possible kingdom and capital of the vampires. Will those vampires serving under the Moonstars swap loyalties in favor of a new better life in Westgate under The Faceless one? |
| khorne |
Posted - 01 Jun 2005 : 18:15:00
They are much more flexible than the harpers indeed, and they even have vampires in their ranks. Hmmm........I see endless opportunities here that would not have been possible with the harpers. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 01 Jun 2005 : 17:15:51
The Tel'Teukiira do have a couple of serious advantages, though, that the Harpers lack. One is that many of the members have a certain moral flexibility that the Harpers would never condone. Another advantage is that the Harpers are more of a large, committee-run organization, while the Tel'Teukiira is a smaller organization with a small and distinct chain of command.
The Moonstars are likely more powerful in Waterdeep than the Harpers, but not so much, elsewhere.
It also wouldn't surprise me to find out that some Moonstars are still Harpers, as well, and that they've used Harper assets to accomplish Moonstar goals. Additionally, former Harpers may still have access to Harper-friendly contacts that either don't know about the Schism or simply don't care. |
| Asgetrion |
Posted - 01 Jun 2005 : 15:34:49
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Kentinal
Due to the age of the Moonstars the membership would appear to be smaller in numbers. The power level more likely favors the Harpers also though of course the Moonstars have some very powerful members.
In addition, the Harpers have had the benefit of time.
They've been able to establish secure continent-spanning information/spy networks and informant networks. Also they've spent time making long term connections with similar organisations and adventuring companies. The Harpers can also draw upon the assistance of many of their secret operative who they have likely also been able to previously sneak into some of the most established and significant power groups and/or nations within the Realms.
While the Moonstars probably also have access to some of these facilities, their overall mandate and techniques might make some of their current allies question that relationship as time progresses. These allies simply may grow uncomfortable with them...
Well noted. Though I would add that as some prominent Harpers have quit and joined the Moonstars, those spy/informant networks may have some 'strands' missing now. Still, Harpers have had a lot of time establishing them, and I think they have always had 'back-up'-plans for different situations (in case of casualties of operatives, for example). So maybe these 'losses' are not so significant?
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| The Sage |
Posted - 01 Jun 2005 : 14:47:12
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Originally posted by Kentinal
Due to the age of the Moonstars the membership would appear to be smaller in numbers. The power level more likely favors the Harpers also though of course the Moonstars have some very powerful members.
In addition, the Harpers have had the benefit of time.
They've been able to establish secure continent-spanning information/spy networks and informant networks. Also they've spent time making long term connections with similar organisations and adventuring companies. The Harpers can also draw upon the assistance of many of their secret operative who they have likely also been able to previously sneak into some of the most established and significant power groups and/or nations within the Realms.
While the Moonstars probably also have access to some of these facilities, their overall mandate and techniques might make some of their current allies question that relationship as time progresses. These allies simply may grow uncomfortable with them...
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| Asgetrion |
Posted - 01 Jun 2005 : 14:13:52
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Originally posted by Defender
Pardon if I ask this, which organization among these two-the Harpers and Moonstars- are more powerful, flexible and has the most numbers in their ranks?
I think Harpers have many, many more members than the Moonstars. Also, they are probably more 'powerful', if you think about numbers and levels. In certain areas Khelben may have more political influence than the Harpers. Remember that the Moonstars have been recruiting heavily, and most of their members ARE powerful individuals, who have their own diplomatic/political allies.
I would say that the Moonstars are more flexible than the Harpers, but to get a good picture of how they work, I suggest reading Cloak & Dagger and Code of the Harpers. Those prestige classes from Player´s Guide, FRCS and MoF may also be helpful. I am not sure if there is any 'organisation description' about either of them in 3e/3.5e? |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 01 Jun 2005 : 14:01:42
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Originally posted by Defender
Pardon if I ask this, which organization among these two-the Harpers and Moonstars- are more powerful, flexible and has the most numbers in their ranks?
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/dnd_features_nav.asp?L=FR_PG offers some background, though not directly answer your question.
Due to the age of the Moonstars the membership would appear to be smaller in numbers. The power level more likely favors the Harpers also though of course the Moonstars have some very powerful members. |
