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| Arravis |
Posted - 23 May 2005 : 16:32:53
In my campaign, the party has some influential contacts within several Dales communities, the remaining elves of the Cormanthor, and the drow of House Jaelre (both having a common enemy in a rather aggressive cell of the Cult of the Dragon). The PC's are thinking of perhaps brokering some kind of peace deal between drow of House Jaelre and the communities of the dales and the Cormanthor.
Anyway, I wanted to know everyone's idea of this rather novel and interesting concept. |
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| Zanan |
Posted - 22 Jun 2008 : 01:47:45
I have all these sources and never read what you stated above ... though the sources might intimate such alliances. Of course, I was far more interested about the warpony remark :). |
| Markustay |
Posted - 21 Jun 2008 : 21:07:13
Too bad... they were so interesting in the FRCG - its as if that lore was just 'in the way' of the story RB wanted to tell, so he just swept them under the rug.
I hate when authors get annoyed at the history others have worked so hard to create, so they just crap all over it.
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Originally posted by Zanan
Where did you glean that bit of info from?
Thanks...
I've just spent the better part of an hour looking for it, and can't find it! I've checked all the normal enries that should apply - Forest of Mir, Sarenestar, Aranea, Drow (and their cities), Lost Ajhuutal, Eye Tyrant Wars, etc, etc...
I know they allied with Calimshan (who in turn were allied with Tethyr, although that might have been at a different time period against the the Beholders) and the Aranea. At this point, I'm uncertain about them allying with Elves - I must have gotten a little mixed up because Calimshan was allied with Tethyr (at one point), and later Tethyr informed the Elves about the Drow of Mir (actually betraying them, since the Drow were on the 'good' side at that point). The Elves of Tethir (Wealdath) and Shilmista then sneak-attacked the Drow and destroyed Allsihwann (I believe with the help of Tethyr, who knew where to find the Drow).
So the Drow didn't work with the Elves like I thought - they worked with Tethyr, who later worked with the Elves. If anything, the Drow may have worked with the Dwarves, who were part of the original alliance against the Beholders, but I think I'm getting two different wars agiianst the Beholders mixed up, and it was two completely different eras (I figured that because the Drow of Mir are occupying caverns that were once part of Clan Velm's lands, of Deep Shanatar, so obviously the Dwarves were long gone by the time the Drow showed up).
I'm now going to have to pick through the timelines to find the exact entry about that battle, in which the Beholder forces were trying to sneak-attack Calimshan through the Forest of Mir, and the Drow and Aranea (and Claimshan) repelled them together.
Maybe Steven will come along and bail me out here - I'll have to go through three different sourcebooks to find that.
At least they are great sources and worth another look.  |
| Ardashir |
Posted - 21 Jun 2008 : 16:28:05
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Originally posted by Markustay
Unless the war described at the end of GHotR was part of The Last Mythal series, which I haven't read, and they were given a little more respect therein, in which case I apologize for making assumptions.
The Cormanthor drow were more of an afterthought in The Last Mythal than anything else. They had one scene between the leader of the Fey'ri and Jezz the Lame, and nothing I can remmeber after that. |
| Zanan |
Posted - 15 Jun 2008 : 13:54:00
Where did you glean that bit of info from? |
| Markustay |
Posted - 14 Jun 2008 : 20:43:42
Yes!
I find that particular group facinating myself - they even sided with Calimshan, Aranea, and Elves(!) during the Beholder Wars down there, and they have been living 'peacably' in that region for centuries (accept when others have come to attack them, as the Elves of Wealdath did).
And they ride little Warponies just like the Tuigan! |
| Zanan |
Posted - 14 Jun 2008 : 20:34:27
Sometimes you wonder whether people have actually read the sources. No disrespect, but the Dales have been raided by drow for ages, I mean, it was them who built the Tower of Ashaba and only recently (Realms of the Elves) one band of monk killers tried to lay Elminster low.
Dalesmen will hardly make a difference whether these drow are Vhaeraunians, Lolthites or Kiaransaleens (who had a little venture to the Dales during City of the Spider Queen methinks). Or one House Jaelre. Some ... as in SOME ... might have heard of good drow and may not slay these outright, but as much as bloodshed and violance is "inbred" into drow or orcs or *you name a monster*, as much is there distrust inbred in the humans of the Dales.
After the Last Mythal series, the Lady Penitent fiasco and the resettlement of Myth Drannor by the elves, I doubt that the drow - weakened on all fronts as they are - will start bartering or meddling with the humans. They will lick their wounds, band together, and start a new venture.
BTW, I'd rather use the drow in the Forest of Mir as a base for creating "my own" semi-surface drow settlement. For you hardly have any info on them and those bits and pieces which one can find leave far more room for interpretation than those currently to be found in Cormanthor. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 14 Jun 2008 : 16:04:19
Unfortunetly, the GHotR just lumped the two completely different groups of Drow together and ended their storyline rather abruptly and with little fanfare. I really like the Cormanthor entries in the 3e FRCS, and to just end the whole thing like it was an afterthought, because they wanted to move on to 4e is just sad, IMHO.
Unless the war described at the end of GHotR was part of The Last Mythal series, which I haven't read, and they were given a little more respect therein, in which case I apologize for making assumptions. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 13 Jun 2008 : 01:38:34
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Originally posted by Ardashir
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Another issue: why are people going to trust these drow? Everyone has heard tales of drow atrocities and how evil the race is...
It's going to take a long time and an uphill battle for the drow to earn the trust of their neighbors.
Aren't there supposed to be Eilistraeen drow in the Velarswood who have won the respect and loyalty of their human neighbors?
I don't think it's so much about the drow having won the respect and loyalty of the Harrans. Rather, it is that the folk in Velarsburg "are almost proud to know that such wild, fey things go on around them. [In reference to the Velarwood drow and their rituals of worship for the Dark Maiden] The Harrans here live close, to the land and feel themselves part of an ancient cycle that is splendid and savage..." |
| Ardashir |
Posted - 13 Jun 2008 : 00:04:42
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Another issue: why are people going to trust these drow? Everyone has heard tales of drow atrocities and how evil the race is...
It's going to take a long time and an uphill battle for the drow to earn the trust of their neighbors.
Aren't there supposed to be Eilistraeen drow in the Velarswood who have won the respect and loyalty of their human neighbors? |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 30 May 2005 : 17:34:30
After posting that and reading the origins of this particular thread, I wanted to point out that this is just my take on how the politics in this region would work. It may not be this way in anyone else's campaign, and I don't want to tell anyone that their brilliant campaign hook is not up to snuff. I'm sure I have come up with a few things that wouldn't jive with some of my fellow scribes.
That having been said, my PCs immediately upon encountering a Jaelre patrol freaked out and attacked, knowing the reputation of the drow, though the dwarf was wondering why there were no females in the band. They also managed to capture a Jaelre wizard alive, and they have spend some time getting to know him. Its been pretty interesting, but dispite this personal relationship with the prisoner (the dwarf visits him and plays Sava with him), when they meet other drow they default to their original "freak out" mode. |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 30 May 2005 : 17:26:23
Also, I am not sure that even recent events make it seem that the drow will always be living in this region. The drow houses that have come to the surface have done so recently, and for the most part are out numbered greatly by the humans, and if the elves begin to return to the area, the drow will have a difficult time of it. If house Jaelre or Auzkovyn ends up controlling Myth Drannor and commanding its Mythal, then you could argue that they may be more entrenched right now, but for now they are a new variable, and thats about it. |
| Kuje |
Posted - 30 May 2005 : 17:19:58
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Originally posted by Kentinal
So they are not allowed into walled and guarded cities. The fact remains that they are in the countryside. That Jaelre has even taken over some former Elven cities, which might ban other races from entering. There are know Drow groves to Eilistraee that no Dalesman would be inclined to venture into (unless coming in peace). The Drow are on the surface, they own manor houses, have small comunities in places. They have not been driven from the lands and most likely canon will never drive them from the lands. Real world might have removed undesirablle races, there are examples of this in history (Wolves, American Indians, the Moors, etc.) they were mostly killed or driven out of the lands they ranged.
Wow, way to miss the point. That wasn't my point at all. My point was this: If they are not welcome in the 2 cities that welcome a lot of strange races, then there's no way in the Nine Hells that the Dalesman would agree to a treaty with a race that slaughters, kills, kidnaps, tortures, etc. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 30 May 2005 : 15:08:47
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Originally posted by Kentinal
Answers geared to how some might be able to help the DM come up with believeable ways that some kind of treaty can be made. Even if it is kept in mind that Drow always look for the best deal.
Have you not been paying attention? The point a lot of us are making is that we don't see a believable way to pull this off.
Talk all you want about drow on the surface and how there are reasons to make a deal... None of us see a reason that the deal would be made. It's not easy to suggest how to make something happen when we know it couldn't. |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 30 May 2005 : 11:50:57
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Originally posted by Kuje
I was going to stay out of this but I have back up Wooly. If the drow aren't welcome in Waterdeep and Silverymoon without disguises, these last two are straight from Ed, then the Dalesman are never going to agree to a treaty with any drow. :)
So they are not allowed into walled and guarded cities. The fact remains that they are in the countryside. That Jaelre has even taken over some former Elven cities, which might ban other races from entering. There are know Drow groves to Eilistraee that no Dalesman would be inclined to venture into (unless coming in peace). The Drow are on the surface, they own manor houses, have small comunities in places. They have not been driven from the lands and most likely canon will never drive them from the lands. Real world might have removed undesirablle races, there are examples of this in history (Wolves, American Indians, the Moors, etc.) they were mostly killed or driven out of the lands they ranged.
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But it's your setting so do what you wish. :)
This I think is important to keep in mind.
Saying canon nor I will allow the Drow to make a treaty with the Dalesman and the Elves, because ... , does not really answer the question.
Answers geared to how some might be able to help the DM come up with believeable ways that some kind of treaty can be made. Even if it is kept in mind that Drow always look for the best deal.
House Jaelre is on the surface in rather large numbers, they want to be the leaders of a many race nation (with them in charge of course), thus there is reason for them to make a deal to further long range goals.
The Dalesman have a reason to make a deal, they can not get rid of the Drow and a deal could reduce the number of Drow attacks and perhaps even provide security.
The Elves have a reason to make a deal, they do not now have enough numbers or allies to drive the Drow from areas they already control. Making a deal might stop them from taking control over more surface areas. Further these Drow hate Lollthians as much as the Elves do.
Yes there will be mistrust and there will be violations of any deal by all sides of the deal. There will also likely be problems from other races and certainly Drow of other faiths.
Menbers of the three groups have reason to make a deal. Oh there are also reasons for all out war, but a war all sides will lose members and resources and canon (at least as of this time) appears to indicate tht no party will actually win (i.e. There will always be Dalesman, Drow and Elves living in the same reion).
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| Kuje |
Posted - 30 May 2005 : 07:32:56
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Originally posted by khorne
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Originally posted by Kuje
I was going to stay out of this but I have back up Wooly. If the drow aren't welcome in Waterdeep and Silverymoon without disguises, these last two are straight from Ed, then the Dalesman are never going to agree to a treaty with any drow. :)
But it's your setting so do what you wish. :)
Even in Silverymoon? Isn`t one of Alustriels friends a certain drow?
Yes but he usually do not walk openly within Silverymoon. |
| khorne |
Posted - 30 May 2005 : 07:22:49
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Originally posted by Kuje
I was going to stay out of this but I have back up Wooly. If the drow aren't welcome in Waterdeep and Silverymoon without disguises, these last two are straight from Ed, then the Dalesman are never going to agree to a treaty with any drow. :)
But it's your setting so do what you wish. :)
Even in Silverymoon? Isn`t one of Alustriels friends a certain drow? |
| Kuje |
Posted - 30 May 2005 : 04:06:27
I was going to stay out of this but I have back up Wooly. If the drow aren't welcome in Waterdeep and Silverymoon without disguises, these last two are straight from Ed, then the Dalesman are never going to agree to a treaty with any drow. :)
But it's your setting so do what you wish. :) |
| The Sage |
Posted - 28 May 2005 : 03:47:00
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Kentinal
Jaelre oposes Lolthians, as do Dalesmen and the surface elvs. They also have a common enemy in the Cult of the Dragon. So niether of these will offer a better deal.
The problem is, to a Daleman or elf, a drow is a drow. House Jaelre can claim all day long that they're not the same as Lolth-worshipping drow, but until they can, over a long term, prove that they are not the same breed, they are going to be considered to be just the same as the other drow. That's why I don't see this happening.
And again, like before, I have to agree with Wooly.
Racial mindsets are always going to play a significant role in inter-species relations. Quite literally, the drow will have to fight against their own history in order to prove their committment to any treaty or pact. And that, is a hard battle indeed...
We've seen that most races hold rigid racial models or mindset for every other race -- the elves are no exception. So, until any one of these models are actually shown to be false, to any degree, each race will continue to have faith in what they believe and what they have learned about every race in the past.
It is comfortable, and it provides them with a sense of security.
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| Kentinal |
Posted - 28 May 2005 : 01:25:06
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Originally posted by Fletcher
Even a good drow has a great deal of difficulty dealing with surface people. Look at the paragon of good drow Drizzt and his issues with understanding the surface world.
I ignore Drizzt as an example of a good Drow. I look to other examples and the dogma of good Drow. quote:
Can you imagine trying to live in the dark ages after having lived now? Try to communicate with these people and discuss things like freedom of religion, democracy, equal rights, free trade...
Two different worlds.
Well living in the Dark ages actions servered far greater then words in many cases. If a good witch it was not nearly as bad as being acused of being a bad witch. The situations were local for the most part, there was no mass comunication. One knew what was said and done localy for the most part.
The history clearly indicates that Drow did live in the area in the past and defended all. That many, and stories of many, are the same as stories of Zues throwing thunder bolts (Some will believe and some will not).
In the end it comes down to DM call as even Ed of Greenwood offers a starting platform and appears to believe that DMs should expand from that base lore. |
| Fletcher |
Posted - 27 May 2005 : 23:49:36
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Arravis
I can understand the NPC's of the campaign thinking so, but I don't see drow as being inherently irrational like so many posters seem to.
I never said that drow were inherently irrational. But to elves or humans, who have different ways of thinking, many drow actions are irrational.
Not irrational even to us humans. Just twisted and evil. A drow's skin reflects the taint of his soul. All of thier actions make perfect sense and are emminently predictable when taken in this light. 
Even a good drow has a great deal of difficulty dealing with surface people. Look at the paragon of good drow Drizzt and his issues with understanding the surface world.
Can you imagine trying to live in the dark ages after having lived now? Try to communicate with these people and discuss things like freedom of religion, democracy, equal rights, free trade...
Two different worlds. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 27 May 2005 : 23:12:58
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Originally posted by Arravis
I can understand the NPC's of the campaign thinking so, but I don't see drow as being inherently irrational like so many posters seem to.
I never said that drow were inherently irrational. But to elves or humans, who have different ways of thinking, many drow actions are irrational. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 27 May 2005 : 23:10:56
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Originally posted by Kentinal
Jaelre oposes Lolthians, as do Dalesmen and the surface elvs. They also have a common enemy in the Cult of the Dragon. So niether of these will offer a better deal.
The problem is, to a Daleman or elf, a drow is a drow. House Jaelre can claim all day long that they're not the same as Lolth-worshipping drow, but until they can, over a long term, prove that they are not the same breed, they are going to be considered to be just the same as the other drow. That's why I don't see this happening. |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 27 May 2005 : 17:00:53
Drow have an irrational Goddess for the most part.
Drow societies are very stuctured including the ways to get promoted. Sometimes just skill but just as often assasination or other wise discrediting a superior.
Such actions take planing and much planing, certainly rational actions.
The way Drow society looks to outsiders in will be seen as irrational. Killing each other does not appear to be a rational way to preserve and expand a society.
Drow by nature are very much about what is best for me. They however are trained to work in groups and know the value of co-operation. The Drow do not fight not retreat in unorgainise (iirational) manner.
Oh the prinsonors they take are not treated rationally by other society's standards. The captives however are taken for set and rational reasons, slaves to do work and sacafices to Lolth.
Yes it is true that Drow do have a repertation of making a deal, only to break it when greater benefit derives from breaking the deal. This is not irrational either just cut thoat business practices. With most Drow not only the deal gets cut a few thoats might as well.
A deal will not be broke that will put Drow in a wrost position. Their survial relies on always making and keeping the best deal they have. All that others need to do is make sure a better deal is not offered.
Jaelre oposes Lolthians, as do Dalesmen and the surface elvs. They also have a common enemy in the Cult of the Dragon. So niether of these will offer a better deal.
The Zents migh, but who trusts a Zent? *wink* |
| Arravis |
Posted - 27 May 2005 : 16:15:14
Lowtech, thanks for the great explanation of trust in regards to a treaty.
Anyway, my understanding is that the PC's plan on supplying the House Jaelre drow for a while so that the raids can cease and they can attempt to broker some kind of deal.
I can understand the NPC's of the campaign thinking so, but I don't see drow as being inherently irrational like so many posters seem to. Nothing I've read seems to imply that. "Classic" drow are self-serving and have no regards for others, but their actions have never come across as irrational. This would be even less so for the drow of House Jaelre. Anyway, I don't know how the impression of drow as mindless screaming madmen has been formed, but I just don't see it. |
| lowtech |
Posted - 27 May 2005 : 07:15:39
As a political science major, I have to admit I find this topic thoroughly entertaining...
On the matter of treaties,the only trust necessary is the trust that the other party will act rationally, not that they are otherwise trustworthy. Even then, you are gambling that what they believe is rational regarding their interests and goals corresponds with what you would believe is rational if you were in their position and had identical goals and interests. And this is if you are negotiating in "good faith", which rarely happens between warring parties...yada, yada, yada, it would take at least ten pages to finish my self-indulgent and pretentious lecture on this crap.
Anyway, anything short of a short-term ceasefire brought about by desperation is unlikely in the extreme because the Drow would not be percieved as rational actors, even though the Vhaerunian drow probably ARE rational actors. |
| Xysma |
Posted - 25 May 2005 : 04:52:29
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Xysma
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't think there's even an informal agreement... It's more a case of the neighbors aren't the sort to attack, and the Zhents and Red Wizards aren't always attacking -- sometimes they have other concerns, sometimes they're trying something else.
Actually, the Zulkirs offered a truce with Aglarond, which the Simbul accepted, and the Blackstaff has an "agreement" with Fzoul. I doubt that there is any trust involved in either of these arangements, but they exist nonetheless.
I could've sworn the Simbul turned them down...
And the Fzoul/Blackstaff comment is not a good example. The Zhents aren't constantly attacking Waterdeep, and Fzoul has, for the most part, been sticking with the agreement. If Khelben hadn't trusted Fzoul to stick to the agreement, he'd not have made it.
I really, really don't understand how anyone can think an agreement can exist without trust...
I definitely see your point, but there is a difference between trusting a person or group and trusting them to stick to an agreement that is mutually beneficial. For what it's worth, I wholeheartedly agree with you that it would be a fool's errand to enter into any agreement with drow. An ingrained part of drow culture as we know it is to make agreements just to break them. |
| DDH_101 |
Posted - 25 May 2005 : 02:05:09
I agree with Wooly about the Dalesmen and the drow of House Jaelre not being able to work together. They have a way different agenda, and especially after looking at their entry in LoD, House Jaelre doesn't want to make alliance, they want to dominate. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 25 May 2005 : 01:22:56
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Originally posted by Kentinal
All Drow are not the same, though elves wish them to be, they the hardest to make a deal with.
*sigh* I know this. I had admitted to this point.
However, the vast majority of drow are the type who will cut you down for being there. It is this vast majority that people in the Realms know about. Everyone in the Realms -- not just the Heartlands -- has heard tales of dark elven atrocities. Very few have heard tales of drow that aren't vicious murderers.
Therefore, the average human -- particularly in the Dales, where they've been attacked by drow -- is going to think that all drow are thoroughly and unrepentantly evil. And thus, they will not trust them.
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Originally posted by Kentinal
The Harpers to some small degree spread the story _If you need help, ask the Drow_ There certainlly other other incidents though out the realms of Drow aiding other races.
Yes, there are isolated instances, such as that one group of drow near Skullport. However, even in Skullport, there are the kinds of drow that everyone expects to encounter: those who embrace their vicious ways and glorify in them.
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Originally posted by Kentinal
House Jaelre has a major purpose in earning trust for long term plans. It is hard to lead people that do not trust you, short of Domination (Which is not Vhaeraun's dogma). They can earn trust by reducing raids and stoping the inter racial wars. They will be as quick as many to say most Drow can not be trusted. There though are those that seek peace with the surface, both children of Lolth seek this (just on different terms). The power base is there that it appears the Dalesmen and Elfs can not get rid of (of course can blane designers for this).
It doesn't matter what House Jaerle wants -- they've got to overcome centuries, even millenia, of distrust. If they stop raiding, people aren't going to assume that they want peace -- there's nothing in their lore about drow that would suggest that. They are instead going to be waiting for the springing of the next plot.
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Originally posted by Kentinal
There are all the makings of a political solution.
Except for the fact that one of the parties wouldn't be trusted by the other two...
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Originally posted by Kentinal
As for Drow not caring about wealth, this is error, wealth is one factor of rank. The more a Drow owns the more respect and power one has. The trading groups are one way to gain a great degree of respectiblity.
That wasn't what I was referring to. I was referring to the fact that a drow will happily cut down a potential rival, even if that person could easily be a valuable ally in the future. There's a lot the drow could do that would be of profit to the entire race, but they are too busy striving against each other to do something like that.
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Originally posted by Kentinal
Yes there are problems that might imped peace, those occassional assassinations for example. However over all the Drow certainly can take the long view with the dalesmen. A 100 year plan out lasts the ones that made the agreement. The Elves of course short time is harder to get past past and current deals, they however can be slowly brougt into the fold by House Jaelre offering protection, perhaps even marring into the families. Perhaps a mere 300 years would allow for aceptance , but that only 1/3 of the life of a Drow.
Since when have we seen the drow be willing to do that?
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Originally posted by Kentinal
It can work, depending on how well the plan is adhered to. Will it work depends on events as they unfold.
I can't see a plan working when that plan depends on trusting someone who isn't regarded as trustworthy...
Fact: for thousands of years, the majority of drow have wantonly and maliciously murdered or attacked anyone who caught their attention.
Fact: Dalesmen and elves have been victims of drow attacks.
Fact: House Jaerle consists of drow.
With those three facts known to the Dalesmen and elves, what makes you think they would expect anything less than the same kind of behaviour from House Jaerle? |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 25 May 2005 : 00:46:11
All Drow are not the same, though elves wish them to be, they the hardest to make a deal with.
The Harpers to some small degree spread the story _If you need help, ask the Drow_ There certainlly other other incidents though out the realms of Drow aiding other races.
House Jaelre has a major purpose in earning trust for long term plans. It is hard to lead people that do not trust you, short of Domination (Which is not Vhaeraun's dogma). They can earn trust by reducing raids and stoping the inter racial wars. They will be as quick as many to say most Drow can not be trusted. There though are those that seek peace with the surface, both children of Lolth seek this (just on different terms). The power base is there that it appears the Dalesmen and Elfs can not get rid of (of course can blane designers for this).
There are all the makings of a political solution.
As for Drow not caring about wealth, this is error, wealth is one factor of rank. The more a Drow owns the more respect and power one has. The trading groups are one way to gain a great degree of respectiblity.
Yes there are problems that might imped peace, those occassional assassinations for example. However over all the Drow certainly can take the long view with the dalesmen. A 100 year plan out lasts the ones that made the agreement. The Elves of course short time is harder to get past past and current deals, they however can be slowly brougt into the fold by House Jaelre offering protection, perhaps even marring into the families. Perhaps a mere 300 years would allow for aceptance , but that only 1/3 of the life of a Drow.
It can work, depending on how well the plan is adhered to. Will it work depends on events as they unfold.
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 25 May 2005 : 00:06:33
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Originally posted by Kentinal
The first steps would be small, though even a truce is a kind of a treaty the first step to full peace or just a time to delay all out war.
And what is a truce? An agreement to cease hostilities, at least on a temporary basis. Both sides agreeing to a truce have to trust that the other side will not attack.
One of the sides in this scenario has a history of attacking for the sake of doing so. So who's going to expect them to stick to this truce?
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Originally posted by Kentinal
In the situation presented in the game world (which does not always model the real world) there are Drow, Elves and Dalesmen killing each other (not counting the other races). It is not all out warfare at this time but all sides are taking loses. There are reasons for all sides to reduce their loses and look for profit in other ways. Each of course do have long range goals that are not compatible, so it is we will not fight, today and maybe not tomorrow.
Profit is not always a motivating factor for drow. This is a race that has been known to slaughter someone just for being there. They could've had a profitable trade alliance, and both sides could have gained a lot... But instead, the drow attacked because the majority of them are a bloodthirsty bunch.
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Originally posted by Kentinal
There certainly appears to be many such truces thoughout the realms considering how many races hate each other and want to wipe them out. Can some Drow be trusted, certainly. There is a history of this ocuring. Can all of any of the three groups be trusted, of course not. However if each group works to take out all offenders of their race it can reduce reprisal raids and slow the building war. Prehaps in the end a full peace can be achieved, though I would not count on this. *wink*
But how many times has someone made a truce with someone they expected to betray it? How many times has someone made a truce not just with someone they hate, but with someone they hate, fear, and who has a history of senseless violence? |
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