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| SomeDude |
Posted - 27 Apr 2005 : 04:28:12
Why in the nine hells can't I find any Chosen of Lathander anywhere? Maybe they were all "Risen Martyrs" and aren't around anymore as there quest was completed? It just would seem to me that with Lathanders personality we would see him granting chosen status without much reguard to spending his own power. |
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| Kuje |
Posted - 16 Sep 2008 : 00:41:04
In 2e and 3/3.5e they were not the same, now with 4e, I have no idea. Of course, there might be some late 3.5e/4e cross over novels that might say they are the same, but mechanically, Chosen and Proxies have always been different.
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Originally posted by Calmar
Are chosen ones the same as proxies? or do proxies play no role in the realms at all?
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| Calmar |
Posted - 15 Sep 2008 : 23:24:45
Are chosen ones the same as proxies? or do proxies play no role in the realms at all? |
| StarBog |
Posted - 15 Sep 2008 : 16:19:25
Ironically, as far as I recall from my skimming of the 4e FRPG, in that particular setting, all deities have Chosen (its a Epic-level path IIRC) |
| tanthul |
Posted - 15 Sep 2008 : 15:08:37
I believe the "Chosen" of Shar are actually the 12 shade lords of Shade Enclave or at least Rivalen. I agree that they should go by other names too such as the Shadows of Shar or something, maybe the Hidden of Mask, or the Moonbeams of Selune. |
| Asgetrion |
Posted - 24 May 2005 : 22:00:03
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by kuje31
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Originally posted by Shadovar
Greetings, if Mystra have her own chosen, what about the chosen of Selune and Shar? Are there any chosen under them?
Shar has one mentioned in Underdark but it's only a sentence. It doesn't list name, gender, powers, or anything. Selune doesn't have one that we know of officially.
Indeed.
I've often toyed with the apparent notion of statting a Chosen of Shar myself, but that notion rarely moves past the idea itself...  .
Kuje, how about the semidivine servant of Shar (Volumvax? or something like that) featured in F&P? I think she had granted him a "quasipower" status, yet the divine energy drove him mad. Originally, perhaps, he might have been a Chosen of Shar? I don´t have my books at hand, so I can´t look it up now...
I agree that there could soon be too many "Chosen" wandering around. This smells like more templates or prestige classes  |
| Darth KTrava |
Posted - 24 May 2005 : 21:48:43
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Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
That term has become a cliche it seems to this FR fan.
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<blushes and considers changing screen name>
<I have the same conclusion...>
Keep it up and I'm gonna have one named "Chosen of Torm"....
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| The Sage |
Posted - 18 May 2005 : 04:24:00
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Originally posted by George Krashos
...that I argued that we put to bed this "Chosen" tag and make it clear that Chosen of Mystra had this title...
Did anyone else support this argument with you at the time George?
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| George Krashos |
Posted - 18 May 2005 : 04:03:10
I recall that when we were brainstorming for Cloak & Dagger and Steven revealed that Fzoul was going to become 'special' in the eyes of Xvim, that I argued that we put to bed this "Chosen" tag and make it clear that Chosen of Mystra had this title but that other favoured individuals of other gods, not have it and be considered proxies. Of course, by that stage we had a Chosen of Mielikki, a Chosen of Deneir, Chosen of Silvanus & Eldath and obviously more in the pipeline, so this matter wasn't taken up in the text (and likely would have been cut by WotC anyway who I think like the proliferation of "Chosen").
-- George Krashos
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| The Sage |
Posted - 18 May 2005 : 03:34:14
Ah, but that is why we have DMs... isn't it?
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| Chosen of Bane |
Posted - 17 May 2005 : 20:43:53
I have no problem with other deities having chosen, it makes sense to me. I however agree with the Sage's comments that they should be used for plot devices. I'm not a fan of seeing "Chosen of..." templates because that will make PC's want it as something for their characters.
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 17 May 2005 : 17:49:48
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Originally posted by kuje31
However, I never said that the other Chosen are as powerful as Mystra's.
Oh, I know. I was stating that for the benefit of others.  |
| Kuje |
Posted - 17 May 2005 : 17:47:53
Shrug, I'm going to be the odd man here again and say I prefer both. Some deities have both Chosens and Proxies. Some deities have Proxies and not Chosen. Some have Chosen and not Proxies. :)
However, I never said that the other Chosen are as powerful as Mystra's. I just prefer that Proxies are different then Chosen, especially since WOTC totally screwed Proxies now. :) |
| The Sage |
Posted - 17 May 2005 : 06:18:49
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I should like to point out that the Chosen of other deities aren't nearly as powerful as the Chosen of Mystra... That's part of the reason I'd be happier if they were called Champions or something else.
I wouldn't argue with that. As I'd already stated earlier in this scroll, the only Chosen in my campaigns are those of Mystra. And in all the years I've campaigned in the Realms, I think I've only ever used one of them... once. It will likely stay that way for the time being, because as I interpret them, Mystra's Chosen, are more like the Lady of Pain in Planescape, at least in terms of being important plot devices ONLY.
The divine champions of other deities will likely have either a specific title that reflects some degree of relevance to their deity's faith, or failing that, will simply be referred to as a proxy.
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 17 May 2005 : 05:16:26
I should like to point out that the Chosen of other deities aren't nearly as powerful as the Chosen of Mystra... That's part of the reason I'd be happier if they were called Champions or something else. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 17 May 2005 : 01:51:02
I'd have to agree.
Although, given the designer trends at WotC... whose not to say that WotC themselves wanted more Chosen in order to sell more products...
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| Kuje |
Posted - 16 May 2005 : 17:50:47
Well guys, I can't blame that all on one author. Steven and Ed even included a Chosen of Mielikki in City of Splendors. Ed's name is also on Serpent Kingdoms, which also has a Chosen. Granted 2 others also helped with that book but. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 16 May 2005 : 17:31:11
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Originally posted by Kaladorm
I might be being stupid, my brains overloaded with statistics at the moment
I thought one of the points raised was only Mystra should have chosen, and I was pointing out some source material that said otherwise.
Forgive me if I was wrong :)
'Twas Ed's intention that only Mystra would have Chosen... However, in recent years, other authors have been popping out "Chosen" of other deities left and right. |
| Kaladorm |
Posted - 16 May 2005 : 15:54:01
That'll teach me to try and read 15 posts in one go :) |
| The Sage |
Posted - 16 May 2005 : 14:47:17
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Originally posted by Kaladorm
I thought one of the points raised was only Mystra should have chosen, and I was pointing out some source material that said otherwise.
It was  .
However, numerous tomes already establish that the Chosen of Bane is Fzoul Chembryl.
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| Kaladorm |
Posted - 16 May 2005 : 13:02:25
I might be being stupid, my brains overloaded with statistics at the moment
I thought one of the points raised was only Mystra should have chosen, and I was pointing out some source material that said otherwise.
Forgive me if I was wrong :) |
| The Sage |
Posted - 16 May 2005 : 09:01:42
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Originally posted by Kaladorm
...and the Chosen of Bane himself.
That would be Fzoul Chembryl.
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| Kaladorm |
Posted - 16 May 2005 : 08:04:16
With regards to there beings chosens other than mystra.
quote: Lords of Darkness, pg 95
The Zhentarim.....led by an archmage and the Chosen of Bane himself |
| The Sage |
Posted - 08 May 2005 : 02:04:27
I may have been a little harsh in my original comments on a Chosen of Shar. Of course, if any other deity in the Realms deserves a specific Chosen... it is Shar, mainly because of the Shadow Weave.
I just don't like the possibilities for conflict between highly powered Chosen of Mystra and an awesomely powerful Chosen of Shar.
I can only imagine the online polls that would start...  .
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| Kuje |
Posted - 07 May 2005 : 16:33:58
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Originally posted by The Sage
Indeed.
I've often toyed with the apparent notion of statting a Chosen of Shar myself, but that notion rarely moves past the idea itself... .
Well I happen to like the other Chosens so I'm not going to disagree with TSR/WOTC for doing so. I'd like to know more of Shar's myself. :) |
| The Sage |
Posted - 07 May 2005 : 08:22:23
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Originally posted by kuje31
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Originally posted by Shadovar
Greetings, if Mystra have her own chosen, what about the chosen of Selune and Shar? Are there any chosen under them?
Shar has one mentioned in Underdark but it's only a sentence. It doesn't list name, gender, powers, or anything. Selune doesn't have one that we know of officially.
Indeed.
I've often toyed with the apparent notion of statting a Chosen of Shar myself, but that notion rarely moves past the idea itself... .
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| Kuje |
Posted - 07 May 2005 : 06:41:20
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Originally posted by Shadovar
Greetings, if Mystra have her own chosen, what about the chosen of Selune and Shar? Are there any chosen under them?
Shar has one mentioned in Underdark but it's only a sentence. It doesn't list name, gender, powers, or anything. Selune doesn't have one that we know of officially. |
| Shadovar |
Posted - 07 May 2005 : 06:08:51
Greetings, if Mystra have her own chosen, what about the chosen of Selune and Shar? Are there any chosen under them? |
| DDH_101 |
Posted - 07 May 2005 : 00:34:48
Once again, the topic of King Obould has risen... I've argued about this orc so many times over at IWD that I basically have it memorized. Lol.
I myself personally do not think Obould is THE Chosen of Gruumsh. He may be a "chosen" of the orcs like a champion, but not Chosen in the sense of Elminster or Fzoul. I mean, the first and foremost reason for this would have been the ritual. The ritual granted Obould the abilities of a couple of minor spells, but none of the truly powerful abilities we read about that chosens have (Ex. Ageless). Then there's also the fact that this ritual was conducted by shamans of Gruumsh. If Obould was indeed made a Chosen by the One-Eyed, wouldn't Gruumsh himself do it? I don't think no matter how powerful or numerous amount of divine spellcasters you have, they can't grant a person Chosen powers. |
| Xysma |
Posted - 06 May 2005 : 20:43:52
What of King Obould Many Arrows? He was recently made Obould-Who-is-Gruumsh, that could be referred to as Chosen of Gruumsh could it not? I think it makes sense for Gruumsh to have a Chosen, that rare orc that could inspire various tribes into working in relative unison would be very useful. |
| Chosen of Moradin |
Posted - 29 Apr 2005 : 12:45:39
I agree with the Ubtao´s Chosen, too. And I like to add the Emerald Enclave, as the Chosen of the trio-nature gods (Silvanus, Eldath and Mielliki). They have a great influence, and a great work in the Vilhon Reach, mantaining the balance in that region. |
