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| Silvfana |
Posted - 07 Dec 2004 : 09:42:42
I'm not sure this is the right place to ask this, but...
Does goddess Mielikki have similarities with Finnish mythology's goddess Mielikki? Or is she even the same person?
I have wondered this for some time now and thought this would be the best place to ask. |
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 28 Dec 2004 : 03:50:33
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Originally posted by Melfius
Am I the only one that misses all those Specialty Priest classes from 2nd Ed?
Nope -- some of them were actually quite cool.  |
| Melfius |
Posted - 28 Dec 2004 : 02:23:53
Am I the only one that misses all those Specialty Priest classes from 2nd Ed?
They need to do a more comprehensive list of Prestige classes for 3rd Ed. And fast. Kossuth is the only elemental deity coverd thus far? Boy, do I feel neglected since I chose to play an Akadian!
Oh, and so Alaundo doesn't bring the Hammer of Good Forum Posting down upon my fey head:
"Mielikki mielikki mielikki mielikki mielikki" |
| Neriandal Freit |
Posted - 28 Dec 2004 : 02:11:55
I would like to see more about that sort of thing. Mainly on Deities that aren't that well known, maybe like the Vampires deity and such. How does that Clergy work? Etc. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 27 Dec 2004 : 22:45:05
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
I also know Ed has some big secrets up his sleeve about the gods that haven’t been revealed in print yet. He still wants the published Realms to reflect a LOT more about clergies, rituals, creeds, and so on, and a lot less about avatars and what this or that god really did one afternoon thousands of years ago.
love to all,
THO
I would love to see more of that, myself (especially more lore about Lurue! ). The three deity books from 2E (Faiths & Avatars, Powers & Pantheons, and Demihuman Deities) remain some of my fave Realms supplements, simply because of the lore in them. I should love to see those expanded upon... |
| Kuje |
Posted - 27 Dec 2004 : 18:02:07
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Originally posted by George Krashos
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
He still wants the published Realms to reflect a LOT more about clergies, rituals, creeds, and so on, and a lot less about avatars and what this or that god really did one afternoon thousands of years ago.
love to all,
THO
Amen, to that.
-- George Krashos
Will echo George here and say aye! Sigh I know some of us have asked for that earlier last year but WOTC's answer was no. :( |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 27 Dec 2004 : 16:54:30
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
He still wants the published Realms to reflect a LOT more about clergies, rituals, creeds, and so on, and a lot less about avatars and what this or that god really did one afternoon thousands of years ago.
love to all,
THO
Amen, to that.
-- George Krashos
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| The Hooded One |
Posted - 27 Dec 2004 : 15:33:09
Ed has always steadfastly clung to the view that mortals can never know the whole truth about any of the gods, and that much of what we believe (“know to be true”) about any god is largely a result of visions mortals have had (‘sent by the gods,’ most believe, but that doesn’t address the “which god?” and the “yes, but accurate visions, or meaning what?” problems) or taught/preached by, yes, mortal priesthoods.
So Mielikki in the Realms MAY be very different from the “real world” one. I know Florin Falconhand (briefly her mortal lover) found her so. I also know Ed has some big secrets up his sleeve about the gods that haven’t been revealed in print yet. He still wants the published Realms to reflect a LOT more about clergies, rituals, creeds, and so on, and a lot less about avatars and what this or that god really did one afternoon thousands of years ago.
love to all,
THO
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| the psychotic seaotter |
Posted - 24 Dec 2004 : 17:50:04
That would be the Mulhorandi pantheon. It's basically a light version of the egyptin pantheon. |
| Alparon |
Posted - 23 Dec 2004 : 23:48:49
hey i believe isis and some other egyptian and other culture's gods are included too
in other pantheons of course |
| Alaundo |
Posted - 23 Dec 2004 : 00:04:27
Well met
Ahem  Now, I believe we were, albeit some time ago, talking about Mielikki? |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 22 Dec 2004 : 23:07:45
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Originally posted by Kajehase
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Kajehase
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Then where did they wear the horns? 
Same place us modern-day scandinavians does
Dare I ask where that is? 
On the wall, attached to an elk's head
You wear a wall?  |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 22 Dec 2004 : 18:37:01
quote:
Originally posted by Lunchmeat
So do the Gods in FR realms mirror the same ethos as the ancient mythological Gods?
Some of them do have same names and many of same stibutes. I suspect in part to add Medieval appearence to the game. Besides the myths and names are not copyrigted or trafemark. ;-)
Interloper gods discusses some of them. An attempt to list all that per existed FR and were used. |
| Lunchmeat |
Posted - 22 Dec 2004 : 17:35:29
So do the Gods in FR realms mirror the same ethos as the ancient mythological Gods? |
| Kajehase |
Posted - 22 Dec 2004 : 17:12:06
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Kajehase
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Then where did they wear the horns?
Same place us modern-day scandinavians does
Dare I ask where that is?
On the wall, attached to an elk's head |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 22 Dec 2004 : 11:21:13
quote:
Originally posted by Kajehase
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Then where did they wear the horns?
Same place us modern-day scandinavians does
Dare I ask where that is? |
| Kajehase |
Posted - 22 Dec 2004 : 05:55:22
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Then where did they wear the horns?
Same place us modern-day scandinavians does |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 22 Dec 2004 : 00:33:01
quote:
Originally posted by Kajehase
Scandinavian, only about 1000 years back. Think vikings (who did NOT wear horns on their helmets if any of the archeological finds I've seen is anything to go by ...) and variags (spelling?).
Then where did they wear the horns? |
| Kajehase |
Posted - 21 Dec 2004 : 21:13:01
quote:
Originally posted by Alparon
mmmm...
what is "norse"(i think we have a S.L.I)?
S.L.I: severely lacking of english
Scandinavian, only about 1000 years back. Think vikings (who did NOT wear horns on their helmets if any of the archeological finds I've seen is anything to go by...) and variags (spelling?). |
| Alparon |
Posted - 21 Dec 2004 : 16:56:02
mmmm...
what is "norse"(i think we have a S.L.I)?
S.L.I: severely lacking of english |
| Neriandal Freit |
Posted - 19 Dec 2004 : 20:48:25
Gah! Damn Ed and all the DnD Creators! They're the reason Mielikki and all the others are there now! They took them and left us with this "God" fellow!!!!!
*Shakes fist up in the air*
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| Alparon |
Posted - 19 Dec 2004 : 20:19:03
tnks |
| The Sage |
Posted - 18 Dec 2004 : 12:53:32
quote:
Originally posted by Alparon
And my friends:
Ao is:
Ayas of the Turks!!!
the head god, got the idea?
I can indeed see some truth to this.
Ayas, as part of the Akaddian culture mythology, is regarded as the keeper of the 'old tablets with the words of fate'. Similar in respect and concept to Ao, and his possession of the 'tablets of fate'. However, that is the only real connection between the two deities.
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| Bookwyrm |
Posted - 18 Dec 2004 : 10:26:57
Somehow I doubt that connection. |
| Alparon |
Posted - 17 Dec 2004 : 09:40:10
And my friends:
Ao is:
Ayas of the Turks!!!
the head god, got the idea? |
| Bookwyrm |
Posted - 16 Dec 2004 : 20:49:28
quote:
Originally posted by Winterfox
quote:
Originally posted by Silvfana
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth
There are half a Dozen gods in the FR cosmology that where pulled from Real world Cultures from memory
Loviator: Finnish
Oghma: Celtic
Mielikki: Finnish
Silvanus: Celtic
Tyr: Norse
Ilmater: Finnish
I don't know how the names are written in FR stuff, but in Finland they are Ilmatar and Loviatar(or Louhi). I couldn't help saying that.
Dargoth misspelled; in FR, Loviatar is also written Loviatar.
And if you really want to get technical . . . "Oghma" is the Irish Celtic, while "Ogma" is the Gaulish Celtic . . . .
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| Silvfana |
Posted - 16 Dec 2004 : 09:06:35
I'm much wiser now.
And that's of course only a good thing.
Thank you. |
| the psychotic seaotter |
Posted - 15 Dec 2004 : 04:50:05
I remember reading somwhere where Ed either suggested or said that the dieties taken from Earths mythology had migrated from Earth to the Realms due to lack of belief on Earth...or something like that anyway.
BTW call me crazy but I actually have grown to like the 'tree' idea. Partially because I was never a big fan of TSR trying to make so many crossovers from Spelljammer(which I hated) and Planescape (which I liked). So I can accept Toril being moved away from the old cosmology and given it's own. The only thing they need to do is a MOTP style book for Faerun. |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 14 Dec 2004 : 03:11:45
Which in part certainly came from the myths that already existed. Transformed to some extent (if not extreme ones) by a fiction writer. The ideas have been around for a very long time,, interpertations sometimes offer a new view sometimes jus a distortion of source. |
| NiTessine |
Posted - 14 Dec 2004 : 02:47:16
The Ilmater of the Realms, however, has nothing to do with the Ilmatar of Finnish myth. He is commonly likened to Issek of Jug from Fritz Leiber's Lankhmar books. |
| Lauzoril |
Posted - 10 Dec 2004 : 20:18:18
From what I've gathered, Mielikki is indeed the same one as in Realms. Hence her calling name, "Lady of the Forest." It is the same in Finland as it is in the Realms.
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