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| Seethyr |
Posted - 08 Feb 2021 : 16:45:11
When the Ba'etith created the Nether Scrolls, where and whom exactly did they gather all the knowledge from? Primitive tribes? Ok, but did they have magic that powerful? Is there hishna and pluma magic in there? |
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| TBeholder |
Posted - 20 Feb 2021 : 16:41:22
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Originally posted by George Krashos
My theory was that the Nether Scrolls adapt to the reader and the magic that is most "natural" to them, also becoming malleable in terms of form/accessibility for that reader. In other words, to me, the Nether Scrolls were only "scrolls" for the Netherese and took a different form for the sarrukh, the batrachi, the aearee, etc. Just a thought.
Why not, it's clearly more than just written text, and adapts to the reader.
Since "written text" happens to be a very common interface, it may be that only minor variations were possible, or that only minor variations were necessary.
The Elves had to transform the scrolls to get their fancy tree, however. Which suggests scrolls couldn't go this far on their own, but allow an advanced user to reconfigure.
Then again, if you listen to the elves, they had to create Sun and Moon, so there's also that. 
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Originally posted by sleyvas
This theory doesn't really mesh well with the concept of what the nether scrolls were (i.e. some form of magic record in which different groups recorded types of magic and got together to share their ideas and document them).
This doesn't contradict or support neither "translation" version (they are really huge tomes, just cherry pick and adapt some content) nor "full procedural generation" version (the content is explored/generated with rather specific filters).
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I only state this because it's almost like we either have the ba'etith roaming the world and documenting the different types of magic OR we have the artifact already having been created and the ba'etith were themselves learning from it. The second option seems viable, its just going against what's been described.
Creation of such a thing presumably would involve gathering enormous amount of lore either way. From different traditions if only to be sure it works correctly.
And even if a static collection, it would be useful as a way of sharing within their circle (that being a lot of knowledge, and they not being a hive mind).
So, most likely "yes" to both. And this neither supports nor contradicts any interpretation, again. |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 17 Feb 2021 : 21:16:24
This theory doesn't really mesh well with the concept of what the nether scrolls were (i.e. some form of magic record in which different groups recorded types of magic and got together to share their ideas and document them). I only state this because it's almost like we either have the ba'etith roaming the world and documenting the different types of magic OR we have the artifact already having been created and the ba'etith were themselves learning from it. The second option seems viable, its just going against what's been described.
I very much agree on the idea though of the artifacts taking different forms. I'd further state that I bet they're intelligent. I also wouldn't be surprised if they aren't linked directly to the goddess of magic in an odd way.... you know like they themselves are an avatar form (or a portion of an avatar form that only appears if you get all the components gathered). |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 17 Feb 2021 : 20:42:43
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Originally posted by TBeholder
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Originally posted by Seethyr
When the Ba'etith created the Nether Scrolls, where and whom exactly did they gather all the knowledge from? Primitive tribes? Ok, but did they have magic that powerful? Is there hishna and pluma magic in there?
Those scrolls
- contain different information for different readers and even on re-reading;
- provide insights on High Magic, among the other things, despite being made before users thereof migrated to Realmspace.
Thus my theory is: the scrolls explore/interpret the Weave as it currently is. Using per-scroll presets and the reader's mind to ensure the information is focused on specific and mostly-accessible topics and presented in a form the reader understands.
My theory was that the Nether Scrolls adapt to the reader and the magic that is most "natural" to them, also becoming malleable in terms of form/accessibility for that reader. In other words, to me, the Nether Scrolls were only "scrolls" for the Netherese and took a different form for the sarrukh, the batrachi, the aearee, etc. Just a thought.
-- George Krashos |
| TBeholder |
Posted - 17 Feb 2021 : 19:12:22
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Originally posted by Seethyr
When the Ba'etith created the Nether Scrolls, where and whom exactly did they gather all the knowledge from? Primitive tribes? Ok, but did they have magic that powerful? Is there hishna and pluma magic in there?
Those scrolls
- contain different information for different readers and even on re-reading;
- provide insights on High Magic, among the other things, despite being made before users thereof migrated to Realmspace.
Thus my theory is: the scrolls explore/interpret the Weave as it currently is. Using per-scroll presets and the reader's mind to ensure the information is focused on specific and mostly-accessible topics and presented in a form the reader understands. |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 17 Feb 2021 : 18:42:20
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Originally posted by oden131
interesting since we now know at the end of rime if the obelisk is used when the pc's reappear a couatl is released
Ubtao/Qotal ? |
| oden131 |
Posted - 16 Feb 2021 : 19:28:22
interesting since we now know at the end of rime if the obelisk is used when the pc's reappear a couatl is released |
| Lord Karsus |
Posted - 10 Feb 2021 : 00:06:26
-Never liked that the Nether Scrolls were given an origin for this exact reason. |
| Gary Dallison |
Posted - 09 Feb 2021 : 10:58:54
There is the potential for plumage and hishna magic to be present on the nether scrolls.
So the scrolls were created by the sarrukh and added to by the batrachi and aearee from -35000 dr onwards. Originally all continents of toril were joined together, including maztica.
Then the elves cast the sundering and it alters the timeline backwards and forwards, but that doesnt mean it affected everything. Yes the continents moved away and everyone on them also moved but the nether scrolls was an artefact of incredible power so the magical theory already present in the nether scrolls from this time was already present and maybe the magic of the sundering was not strong enough to undo it.
Just a though, somewhat backed up by the couatl calling to the thingulf from across the seas because originally the thingulf were joined to chult before the sundering.
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| PattPlays |
Posted - 09 Feb 2021 : 09:46:14
I mean, it depends on if the World Serpent is some esoteric world god, or the coatl god(s), or Io the dragon god of magic, or something else if not specifically attributed to a one World Serpent and whether or not their literal skin was involved. |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 08 Feb 2021 : 18:10:22
Good question, because honestly, I picture that the humans who took up the worship of the Maztican gods were picking up the worship of basically a pantheon that wasn't aimed at humanity. It very well could have been batrachi, sarrukh, aearee, etc... So, though some might say that pluma and hishna are "divine magics"... I would call it no different than Mystra bringing the weave to people. |
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