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| Shadowsoul |
Posted - 08 Dec 2013 : 22:42:21
Well I can tell you that I was absolutely devastated when the 4th edition Forgotten Realms came out. I thought it was awful the way they wrecked the place. I also noticed how many people fled the WoTc forums to the point of it being a ghost town.
Now I'm reading up on this "Sundering" and wondering if it's basically an admission of defeat from WoTc because of the poor way they handled the Realms in 4th edition. |
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 24 Dec 2013 : 14:55:02
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Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer
In some ways Candlekeep is like a closed information loop. Or better: an echo chamber. People seem to want to focus on the negative, repeat the negative and assume the worst. Rarely do you hear the positive and even then people seem to want to find ways to complain (right in those scrolls, which sucks).
I would most strenuously disagree with this. We've got plenty of 4E fans here, and we certainly would have had a lot fewer heated debates if people weren't willing to stick up for their preferred edition, whichever it was.
There have been many pro-4E threads, without any negative commentary at all. That's far from being a negative-only echo chamber. |
| Derulbaskul |
Posted - 24 Dec 2013 : 10:22:01
quote:
Originally posted by Shadowsoul
I have a feeling I will just have to end up writing my own version of the Realms. I'm not really sure there is anything they will be able to do that will satisfy me by going forward.
Like any campaign world, it really only works if you make it your own. Of course, that's from a gaming point-of-view: remember that a lot of people who post here don't run FR games and that makes embracing every single new detail that much easier.
One of the reasons I embraced 4E - and I had been a fan of FR since Ed's original Dragon articles before I fell in love with the OGB - was that I felt that I could really make it my own. Its unpopularity meant that there wasn't the same flow of new material to master/incorporate... but there was/is always the desire for usable maps as those in the FRCG were (insert an expletive that means "excrement" here). Funnily enough, I have been able to use more of my old material in my 4E campaigns than in those I ran in 3.xE. Weird, eh?
Anyway, make the Realms yours. It may mean not keeping up with the novels or even the game products but it's the best way to run them IMO.
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| Jeremy Grenemyer |
Posted - 24 Dec 2013 : 08:36:36
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Originally posted by Zealot
I eventually got used to the idea and kept running my Realms the way I liked them.
I personally am looking forward to seeing what 5e brings. (snip)... but I am also looking forward to new content and exploring new locales.
Today I had the privilege of gaming with a good group of people, some of whom I haven't seen--much less gamed with--in years.
I hadn't even thrown my coat and hat off before one of my old players said to me that he'd been talking with a mutual friend the other day, who'd agreed with him that they both really missed the Realms campaign I used to run for them.
This made me feel pretty good and I think it speaks to your point about getting used to the things you don't like and continuing to run the Realms the way you want to.
For my friends, that's what I did when the 4E Realms was published. I happily borrowed material from 4E and used it in that particular 3E campaign, with what appears to be some good, lasting results.
In some ways Candlekeep is like a closed information loop. Or better: an echo chamber. People seem to want to focus on the negative, repeat the negative and assume the worst. Rarely do you hear the positive and even then people seem to want to find ways to complain (right in those scrolls, which sucks).
But the fact is a whole lot of gamers are still quietly enjoying the Realms, and many of them enjoy what the 4E Realms has to offer.
Whether the 5E Realms is received negatively or positively, the people who continue to choose the Realms as their setting to game in, and who favor having fun over feeling down, will always have a great experience.
Like you, I think that with Ed at the helm we're going to get a great deal of good, new Realms material to use in our campaigns. And I look forward to someday running another Realms campaign using that new material, because in my experience I know the best way to create more happy, long-lived memories for myself and my gaming friends is to use the Realms.
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 24 Dec 2013 : 01:01:04
A couple of posts have been removed from this thread. There is no need to discuss them further.
And there is no need for any other uncivil comments, other. |
| Zealot |
Posted - 24 Dec 2013 : 00:36:42
In a pathetic attempt to return to subject....I was initially very upset when I first read what happened to the Realms in 4e. I thought my beloved setting had been hacked to pieces. One of the previous posters hit the nail on the head when they said that time eases the hurt. I had come back in country from a long abscence and it felt as if a piece of home was gone. I eventually got used to the idea and kept running my Realms the way I liked them.
I personally am looking forward to seeing what 5e brings. I tell my students that a mistake is not a mistake if you learn from it...then its a learning experience. I believe that Wizbro has learned from the fans and business decisions they have made. Sometimes its finding out what not to do that makes something better. I pray that here is no rewind but a gracious step forward. Id like to see a retuen to the awesome world I first fell in love with, but I am also looking forward to new content and exploring new locales. I pwrsonally fell in love with the Realms because Mr Greenwood gave us auch a diverse and magical world to explore. I celebrated as it grew and other parts of the world were uncovered. Lets just hope they will be just as magical with this new edition. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 24 Dec 2013 : 00:31:51
I shouldn't have let myself get dragged into this - I may have taken people out of context (very easy to do when one gets lost in these threads). I have my own (heavy) RW crap going on ATM, and the last thing I need to do is be getting into battles on here - one of my refuges from the idiocy I endure daily. 
In other words - I think the people on this site are better then that.
This thread started out with a very bad subject, and although we kept it civil for a few pages, it was bound to digress. I usually never go this route, but I am recommending this gets closed - its not doing anyone any good.  |
| BlackAce |
Posted - 24 Dec 2013 : 00:05:05
I'd report him but he'll just create a 6th account and do it again. |
| Eilserus |
Posted - 23 Dec 2013 : 22:27:42
Please stop fighting over petty, pointless stuff. It's a waste of time and doesn't belong in the Halls. |
| Therise |
Posted - 23 Dec 2013 : 18:51:49
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Originally posted by Markustay
A fan is a fan, plain and simple. This reminds me of the silly 'fake geek girl' arguments I see cropping-up all the time these days.
If someone is really, REALLY 'into' one particular aspect of an IP, and someone else has a broader interest, it doesn't mean they are less of a fan - it just means their fandom is more focused.
Never once did I say that someone was not a fan. Not once.
I said that if someone is reading books that they hate, just to check it off a list, they MIGHT have an obsession.
Never once did I say, "so-and-so is not a fan".
It was Mirtek who suggested that -I- was not a TRUE fan because I haven't bought into all of the material, such as 4E Realms.
Please do not buy into the troll-a-palooza.
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| Werthead |
Posted - 23 Dec 2013 : 16:21:38
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As I've also said, I would prefer a reset to right before 3E came out, and then redo everything (with some things being changed) from there. I don't have issues with anything in 2E, and there is some stuff from 3E I think is worth keeping. But my opinions are not universal, so if there was going to be a starting over, it's best to go back to when everyone agreed.
From a personal POV, I'd agree. I wasn't a huge fan of some of the things 3E brought to the Realms (the Simbul's always been a sorcerer? The Thayans have been setting up WalMages in other cities for years? The continent's suddenly significantly smaller for no discernible reason?), though I liked others. However, some of that might also be down to me following FR very closely during 2E and gradually moving away in 3E as my D&D group broke up and we played less. There's certainly a lot to like in 3E as well, and it's mostly compatible with 2E. For that reason, I think if there had to be a break point I think most fans would be willing to at least compromise on it being before the Spellplague (either 1375 or even 1385).
In fact, I briefly thought about setting up a Wiki which counted 1375 as the 'current year', counted everything before that as canon and disregarded everything post-that. Then I thought that'd be a bit unfair to the hard work that's been done on the overall Realms Wiki, plus the fact that 90% of it would be identical due to the relative lack of canon material on 4E compared to what came before. Plus I've got my hands full with the last wiki I set up (the Game of Thrones TV one) :) |
| Demzer |
Posted - 23 Dec 2013 : 16:13:45
I would like to subscribe to your "say NO! to subtractive design" newsletter but ... you don't speak Klingon?!? |
| Markustay |
Posted - 23 Dec 2013 : 13:26:03
I think if they took the new bits about Abeir - the dragon kingdoms lore and most of the stuff Ed wrote for the 4e FRCG - and blended it with the old Maztican lore it would be an ideal fix. The Sundering Sounds like the perfect way to do just that. What we have there is hot jungle region with 'dragon kings' and all sorts of weirdness. Also, with only one exception, all the Maztican gods correlate nicely to draconic gods - good fit, eh? And the Mazticans even have legends of a 'True World' that they are not part of any more (could that be Abeir-Toril? Could the Mazticans have known something the Faerūnians had forgotten?)
Anyhow, this is a grand opportunity to remove the bad derivative RW bits (Conquistadors!) and add all that excellent material Ed wrote for Abeir. We may be hating on the whole Abeir concept, but I think his section on Returned Abeir was probably the only part of the FRCG that made me smile. It was so good, I moved it into my Misbegotten Realms, because I wanted it closer. Lets not loose the good things 4e brought to the table - Maztica needed an overhaul, and we all knew it.
Then they can move the Dragonborn regions the heck out of Faerūn and put it across the sea, where players and DM can use it... but only if they want to. The one thing that REALLY irked me about 4e was the way we were force-fed some of the 'new toys'. They didn't want us to have choices... they were almost insulted when folks didn't want to use that stuff (which just made them try to shove it down our throats all the harder). Sure, FR is a big place, with plenty of room for new things - but don't take away existing regions and replace them with the 'new cool'. Thats subtractive design. Put that stuff 'somewhere off screen' and its perfect - it gives us the choice of how to use it.
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Originally posted by Therise
Jeremy, I don't really expect you to understand the difference between having a collection (obtained over decades) and obsessively tracking/reading an IP to mark things off a checklist, but there's a big difference.
I am sorry to disagree with you Therise, but just no.
A fan is a fan, plain and simple. This reminds me of the silly 'fake geek girl' arguments I see cropping-up all the time these days.
If someone is really, REALLY 'into' one particular aspect of an IP, and someone else has a broader interest, it doesn't mean they are less of a fan - it just means their fandom is more focused.
Years and years ago I was a HUGE Star Trek fan. I went to the very first convention in NY back in '75. I met other fans there, and said I was a huge fan. Certain older fans took exception to a child claiming to be a 'true fan'. First I was asked if I've seen every episode, and I said I had. Then I was asked if I had all the toys, to which I responded, "Yes, and most of the books as well" (there weren't that many ST novels back then, and the ones I had were based on the oft-forgotten cartoon). I was then asked if I had a uniform, to which I replied 'Yes' once again (I actually just had the blue shirt with the insignia - but seriously, who doesn't own a black pair of dress pants?) they begrudgingly accepted me as a 'true fan'.
Many years later - after TNG came out - I was at a different con (can't recall if it was comic or game... whatever). I saw some Klingons and said I was a huge fan of Star Trek. They asked me if I spoke Klingon, and when I responded 'no', they said I wasn't a real fan.
Those two guys were probably too young to have been alive when the original ST pilot aired, and they were telling me I wasn't a 'real fan'.
See my point? fandom comes in different flavors. Just because someone doesn't 'do it like you' doesn't mean they are less of a fan, it just means they were attracted to the IP for different reasons. |
| Matt James |
Posted - 23 Dec 2013 : 13:23:33
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Originally posted by Demzer
There you go, unicorn puppies farting rainbows for everyone, peace.
Coffee literally came out of my mouth. That is a top 10 quote right there! |
| Demzer |
Posted - 23 Dec 2013 : 11:54:05
Eh, Aztec-like shapeshifting warriors are a no go but knights in shining armors, wizards with sticks, pointed eared elves and dragons are ok? Like the entire fantasy genre isn't made of knights, wizards, elves and dragons?
I understand that not all Realms regions can be ok for everyone but complaining about real world "rip-offs" when the whole fantasy genre is just the same with made-up names sounds silly.
I agree that Maztica was too much carbon-copied from real world and that's why i changed a lot of things to incorporate it in my Amnian campaign.
I don't agree that Mulhorand and Unther were bad, they gave us Tiamat, the Red Wizards and Sharess(!!!) to name just the first 3 good things that came out of it [behind the scene secret deals not-whitstanding since sadly we have access only to what's published]. Furthermore the Mulhorand invasion of Unther of the middle 1370s was a great event chock full of story and adventuring possibilities but it was ignored in the mad 10 years rush to 1385 were everything had to be Shades or gods dying and after the Spellplague hit all vanished.
I don't have any hard feelings for the dragonborns or Tymanther except for the fact they were dropped on the head of poor Unther out of the blue (quite literally in this case).
I mean, imagine the possibility of gates/portals to Tymanther opening all over Unther and in the River of Sword region with the dragonborn stepping out of those, imagine the reaction of the Untheric people and of the Mulhorandi invaders when confronted with dragon-shaped men ("Tiamat rule is nigh!"), imagine the reaction of the dragonborn when they learn they have been mistaken for footsoldiers and heralds of Tiamat's draconic armies, imagine all the intrigue, power play and headaches for the powers in the region while everyone (church of Tiamat included) figure out what the heck is going on.
Personally something like this would've been WAY better than just "BAM! Your remember Unther? Yeah it's called Tymanther now, lots of dragon people there ...".
Since my home Realms have already gone far away from the canon ones i don't feel any sacred attachment to whatever will be published in 5e/Next, i hope what comes out of it will inspire me and add things i can place in the future of my home Realms and let me get over the 4e/Spellplague mess by reshaping things in ways that make the effort of weaving those in my Realms feel small compared to the play/story possibilities they will give me as a DM.
There will be surely things i won't use and there are things that are way too messed up to get fixed without a miracle, but i want to think those are the exceptions and when the 5e FRCG or FRCS or whatever comes out i'll be able to turn the "4" in "148X" into a "3" and happily use almost everything with small changes and fine tuning here and there.
There you go, unicorn puppies farting rainbows for everyone, peace. |
| Dark Wizard |
Posted - 23 Dec 2013 : 07:46:01
I've always found most of the cultural analogues easier to integrate than Abeiran Dragonborn and Genasi suddenly plopped down on top of those same areas. I feel the tone of the analogues landed closer to the rest of the Realms than the Abeiran bits. I can dial up the fantasy without too much problem, but there's something jarring and incomplete about the replacements.
It's like they literally (in-game) sprang full-formed in their current incarnation and then never diverged from that concept. I know it's the bias of knowing they were invented or at least developed for 4E, but I feel it kind of shows in the lore about them even ignoring their real-life meta-game genesis. At least as far as I've read in the FRCG and a few bits and pieces here and there, the whole of Abeir seemed for tens of thousands of years to revolve around the monolithic Dawn Titan vs Dragon conflict. The dragonborn have a very singular relationship regarding the dragons. It would be as if halflings spent all their published word count mentioning their feud with the leprechauns.
It's the sort of thing that would've gotten worn in after a few more brainstorm meetings and another set of drafts. Even at their most derivative, the Realms' "Egypt" showed a diversity of additional fantastic or setting-specific concerns. |
| Diffan |
Posted - 23 Dec 2013 : 05:07:10
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Originally posted by Mirtek
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Originally posted by Diffan
I would accept Maztica ONLY if they remove all the silly conquistador Helmite incursion thing the book was about as well as every single Aztec-esque element of that area. ONLY when they do this and actually make Maztica an actual original concept would I be willing to accept it as the Realms. Until then, Mexico won't be apart of my Realms.
I like fantasy Mexico, and fantasy Egypt and fantasy Mongolia, etc.
Maybe they could dial up the fantasy aspects a little more, like they did with fantasy Arabia and fantasy Asia
That's cool. Since they're changing things back maybe they'll actually detail these places with more than a footnote or two and a book series. I think 2E had more info, but what didn't 2E cover and/or completely leave nothing to the imagination about? |
| Mirtek |
Posted - 23 Dec 2013 : 02:48:17
quote:
Originally posted by Diffan
I would accept Maztica ONLY if they remove all the silly conquistador Helmite incursion thing the book was about as well as every single Aztec-esque element of that area. ONLY when they do this and actually make Maztica an actual original concept would I be willing to accept it as the Realms. Until then, Mexico won't be apart of my Realms.
I like fantasy Mexico, and fantasy Egypt and fantasy Mongolia, etc.
Maybe they could dial up the fantasy aspects a little more, like they did with fantasy Arabia and fantasy Asia |
| Diffan |
Posted - 23 Dec 2013 : 01:40:26
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Originally posted by Shadowsoul
I have a feeling I will just have to end up writing my own version of the Realms. I'm not really sure there is anything they will be able to do that will satisfy me by going forward.
Honestly, that's probably the only way someone could ever TRULY feel the Realms are perfect. Not even Ed's version of the Realms correlates with the present one. And in a few months my own Realms will have diverged from what will soon be Canon. Heck, I never killed off the non-evil Drow Goddess (Elistraee, or spell similar) as well as Helm. The best thing to do IMO is to take what they offer you, see if it works within your own vision and adapt accordingly or ignore completely. |
| Diffan |
Posted - 23 Dec 2013 : 01:36:40
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Originally posted by Mirtek
quote:
Originally posted by Diffan
* As far as unlisted Deities are concerned, I can't fathom why people thought they vanished or were ultimately gone? Just because they weren't listed didn't mean they evaporated into nothingness with the Spellplauge. I think there were, what, a dozen deities that officially "died"? Most of the minor deities just weren't mentioned.
Didn't WotC specify that the status of the unlisted deities is merely "unknown" for the time being?
Perhaps, though I don't honestly remember. To my thinking, if they haven't detailed their death then they will remain within the cosmology. I don't see why they wouldn't.
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Originally posted by Mirtek
quote:
Originally posted by Diffan
** While I find it sad that they're removing most parts of the Spellplague and Returned Abeir,
I hope Matztica comes back. Maybe with some Abeirean creatures on it that "infested" it during it's time in Abeir
I would accept Maztica ONLY if they remove all the silly conquistador Helmite incursion thing the book was about as well as every single Aztec-esque element of that area. ONLY when they do this and actually make Maztica an actual original concept would I be willing to accept it as the Realms. Until then, Mexico won't be apart of my Realms.
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Originally posted by Mirtek
quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer
Eh, there weren't?
I think they're more a product of that dormant primordial they came upon, so not directly linked to the spellplague
Right, the 'being' that taught them the way to forge the iron rings is the driving force behind the Warlock Knights and not ultimately a Spellplague product. |
| Shadowsoul |
Posted - 23 Dec 2013 : 00:30:16
I have a feeling I will just have to end up writing my own version of the Realms. I'm not really sure there is anything they will be able to do that will satisfy me by going forward. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 22 Dec 2013 : 23:32:37
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Originally posted by Mirtek
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Originally posted by Markustay
Well, all I can say Mirtek is that I hope that none of the guys making decisions thinks like you.
And I hope none of the guys making decisions think like the "back to the OGB crowd"
That's like calling oneself a fan of a series that has run for 20 season and then saying that everything after the pilot was crap and has jumped the shark.
I could get people who like half of it or the first third and say it turned south after season 10 (or 6) or so, but the frggin pilot?
As someone who has spoken in favor of returning to the OGB to start over, I can say that it's not about thinking everything else was crap. I have suggested resetting to the OGB because that's one of the few points everyone can agree was good, and also because if you have to start something over, why not go back to the beginning?
As I've also said, I would prefer a reset to right before 3E came out, and then redo everything (with some things being changed) from there. I don't have issues with anything in 2E, and there is some stuff from 3E I think is worth keeping. But my opinions are not universal, so if there was going to be a starting over, it's best to go back to when everyone agreed.
But that's not going to happen. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 22 Dec 2013 : 23:27:41
Folks, I'd really like to see some more discussion on the actual topic, and not on each other. |
| Mirtek |
Posted - 22 Dec 2013 : 22:22:56
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Originally posted by Diffan
* As far as unlisted Deities are concerned, I can't fathom why people thought they vanished or were ultimately gone? Just because they weren't listed didn't mean they evaporated into nothingness with the Spellplauge. I think there were, what, a dozen deities that officially "died"? Most of the minor deities just weren't mentioned.
Didn't WotC specify that the status of the unlisted deities is merely "unknown" for the time being?
quote:
Originally posted by Diffan
** While I find it sad that they're removing most parts of the Spellplague and Returned Abeir,
I hope Matztica comes back. Maybe with some Abeirean creatures on it that "infested" it during it's time in Abeir
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Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer
Eh, there weren't?
I think they're more a product of that dormant primordial they came upon, so not directly linked to the spellplague |
| Mirtek |
Posted - 22 Dec 2013 : 22:20:47
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Originally posted by Therise
You specifically went on and on about reading books you HATED.
You mean like mentioning it once? Upon which you jumped.
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Originally posted by Therise
You also made a huge deal out of how MANY you have read
As in mentioning it in one post to put the few I disliked into perspective against the lot I liked?
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Originally posted by Therise
and then started going on about "true" fans (as if your definition holds any merit at all).
Important is the "and then" as in after you started to take it to the personal level |
| Therise |
Posted - 22 Dec 2013 : 22:07:56
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Originally posted by Mirtek
quote:
Originally posted by Therise
But trolls have very little to teach and almost never anything to offer.
So someone tells you their passion and you respond with calling them out for being obssessed and having badwrongfun. Who is the troll?
You are the first one in this thread who became personal
Look, I'm done with you.
You specifically went on and on about reading books you HATED. I suggested that was rather obsessive and you might get more enjoyment out of reading books you actually LIKED. You also made a huge deal out of how MANY you have read, as if that's an important accomplishment, and then started going on about "true" fans (as if your definition holds any merit at all).
So whatever dude. You and your troll buddy can call me or other people names, I don't care. I'm fully done with your nonsense.
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| Jeremy Grenemyer |
Posted - 22 Dec 2013 : 21:57:27
Eh, they weren't? Whatever the case may be I like them because they were one of the first groups in the post-Spellplague Realms that caught my attention and so my imagination. |
| Diffan |
Posted - 22 Dec 2013 : 21:51:22
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Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer
I hope the Warlock Knights stick around in some capacity. I kinda like those guys.
So do I, though they really weren't a product of the Spellplague so there's hope  |
| Jeremy Grenemyer |
Posted - 22 Dec 2013 : 21:43:11
I hope the Warlock Knights stick around in some capacity. I kinda like those guys. |
| Diffan |
Posted - 22 Dec 2013 : 21:38:22
The fact is, they're not going back in time and re-writing what happened NOR are they going to create a separate universe. Neither of these two options are going to be used, as far as I've seen from the designers anyways. We've been told that they are moving forward with the Realms timeline (post-Spellplague) and it's probably around 1480 DR. We've been told that elements from pre-Spellplague are going to resurface, including deities thought dead or lost or just plain ol' not mentioned*. They said that the effects of the Spellplague are going to be toned down and/or outright removed in most parts of the setting**. I mean, that's what they've been saying for a while now. So as a fan, we accept this and either roll along with their changes for a 'brighter future' within the setting or we don't and continue to play in whatever version, edition, year, timeline that we deem fit.
I, for one, am not particularly fond of some of these changes such as bringing back a lot of the redundant deities or Mexico and Egypt in the Realms. They will forever be cast out of my personal games because I just don't like them. Before, I had nothing to put in their place so I just ignored them but with the advent of the Spellplague and the convergence with Abeir, I got something new to play with. So yea I'm saddened to see these new elements go for areas I wholly ignored. But that's life and I'll have to roll with it and use the Realms like I always have.
* As far as unlisted Deities are concerned, I can't fathom why people thought they vanished or were ultimately gone? Just because they weren't listed didn't mean they evaporated into nothingness with the Spellplauge. I think there were, what, a dozen deities that officially "died"? Most of the minor deities just weren't mentioned.
** While I find it sad that they're removing most parts of the Spellplague and Returned Abeir, I hope they keep a few small places around for good adventuring areas. Some reminiscent pockets where horrors lie in waiting for the unsuspecting traveler is pretty cool and can make for great adventures. |
| Jeremy Grenemyer |
Posted - 22 Dec 2013 : 21:35:27
quote:
Originally posted by Mirtek
[quote]So someone tells you their passion and you respond with calling them out for being obssessed and having badwrongfun. Who is the troll?
You are the first one in this thread who became personal.
Precisely.
Also, notably, the only person who does that anymore after Brace was banned.
It doesn't matter who has had the most arguments in the past, just as it doesn't matter that not everyone is able to see a difference that one single person thinks is so damned important.
What matters is that right here, right now, Realms fans are calling other Realms fans obsessive on a website dedicated to the already slightly obsessed Realms fan, and that's really stupid.
The fact that the name callers are now taking affront to the fact that when it comes to name calling the door can easily swing both ways is BEYOND stupid. "I rightly call you an obsessive and I rightly say you are enjoying the Realms incorrectly, and you DARE suggest I and mine are doing it wrong (even though you were technically only trying to illustrate the irony of my absolutist attitude towards you, the obviousness of which I will of course ignore in order to stoke the flames of my righteous Realms fan-ness)!?!? For shame!"
There is a whole other demiplane for that kind of mentally obdurate energy and I wish it would find its way back there pronto.
I am here to enjoy the Realms. This is a place for me to enjoy myself in my spare time. This is not a place for people to get their rocks off judging others who enjoy the Realms differently than them.
Can we PLEASE return to discussing the scroll topic?
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