| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| Dennis |
Posted - 06 Oct 2013 : 08:38:26
From the blurb of The Sentinel:
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After battling his way out Marsember, a city besieged on all sides in the wake of the Sundering, he becomes swept up in the mission of a group of odd allies--a warrior princess, an accomplished thief, and a mysterious short pudgy man exuding a faint odor of decay-- to thwart the rise of the goddess of Death.
As I understand, Shar is donning a major role in the changes that would herald 5E. Is it she being referred to in the above blurb? Is she going to try to wrest the portfolio of Death from Kelemvor?
Or is it an "already" goddess of Death? The Great Mother perhaps? |
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| Demzer |
Posted - 01 Jan 2014 : 15:41:42
You mean like some sort of Faerun-wide evil Nephthys (Guardian of Wealth and Commerce, Protector of the Dead)?
Poor ignored, neglected, forgotten and often disrespected Mulhorandi Pantheon ... |
| Markustay |
Posted - 01 Jan 2014 : 15:15:34
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Originally posted by Ayrik
I‘d even accept a newly made-over Waukeen, back from the Nine Hells with a vengeance - Vassal of Asmodeus; Goddess of Merchants, Trade, Blood Contracts, and Death! What a great goddess for assassins and mercenaries to worship in place of Bhaal.
Although 'evil goddess of business dealings' sounds a bit RW and all anti-corporate IMO, it could give Waukeen a sinister edge she's been needing. She's always been a bit lackluster to me... which is weird, considering her penchant toward gold.
As a goddess of the dead? Just no... not sure how to spin that to make it work. I know some cultures put gold coins under the tongues of the dead, which is one possible tie-in, but I'm just not seeing it. On the other hand, trying to 'bribe your way into heaven' (or out of hell) sounds right up her alley.
I like the concept of the Raven Queen, and I like the idea of it being Kiaransalee. I also like the idea of a 'death godddess' being Kelemvor's consort... but not all three. Raven Queen 'shacking up' with Kel is fine, but if she is Kiaransalee, then just no. They seem anathema to one-another. The only way all of it could work together is if there were two different death goddesses - opposed to one-another - and the Raven Queen becomes Kelemvor's consort just to thwart Kiaransalee.
Now, if Midnight/Mystra comes back somehow, that would add another interesting layer to the cosmic drama. Perhaps kel was lonely during her absence, and now that she's back there's a bit of a 'love triangle' going on. On the other hand, if we get a completely different deity of magic, Midnight could possibly return as a newly arisen Raven Queen (and still be opposed to Kiaransalee).
EDIT: Thinking on all of that a bit more, I'm not so sure anymore about Midnight (in any form) coming back as Kel's consort. Its all too 'happy ending' to me. I don't know why, but it just seems to me that their story needs to end on sacrifice (perhaps on both their parts) for the greater good. |
| Plaguescarred |
Posted - 01 Jan 2014 : 14:45:41
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Originally posted by Ayrik
Yes, the context of the wording could indicate a newly ascended goddess or a promoted existing goddess - although an existing goddess might lose any or all of her divine power/portfolios when assuming this new identity. This goddess might even be a deity originating from another world or pantheon who gains power and dominion over death in the Realms (Raven Queen could arguably fit this descriptor).
Ok thanks Ayrik! |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 31 Dec 2013 : 23:49:55
Neo-Lolth would be another good contender.
I‘d even accept a newly made-over Waukeen, back from the Nine Hells with a vengeance - Vassal of Asmodeus; Goddess of Merchants, Trade, Blood Contracts, and Death! What a great goddess for assassins and mercenaries to worship in place of Bhaal. |
| Gyor |
Posted - 31 Dec 2013 : 23:46:25
Btw After Venom in her Viens, Zehir has an entrenched place in the realms. I'm betting that Zaltys Serrat is Zehir's Chosen in the 5e realms.
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| Gyor |
Posted - 31 Dec 2013 : 23:39:45
It mentions a Goddess of Death in the underdark. Its Kiaransalee, I just don't think it can get anymore obvious then that. Sheeee's back! |
| sfdragon |
Posted - 31 Dec 2013 : 23:24:51
and I thought that the RAven Queen was molded in the form of the ruby sorceress from greyhawk.
anyway, as i said, having her as Kelemvor's consort is fine with me, she would then be known as the protector of the dead.... well she does not like undead at all....
but as kiransilee no thanks.
that interloper needs to stay banished.... |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 31 Dec 2013 : 22:51:39
Yes, the context of the wording could indicate a newly ascended goddess or a promoted existing goddess - although an existing goddess might lose any or all of her divine power/portfolios when assuming this new identity. This goddess might even be a deity originating from another world or pantheon who gains power and dominion over death in the Realms (Raven Queen could arguably fit this descriptor).
To me the ambiguity is more a question of what is meant by “Goddess of Death“? An actual deity who supplants Kelemvor‘s governance over Death, or just a cool sobriquet for an unopposably deadly adversary who leaves death in her wake?
I‘m guessing her story might be related to the god Mask, along with Erevis Cale‘s timejumped wife and daughter. But who knows? Perhaps WotC will introduce a previously unknown Princess Shade or something? |
| Plaguescarred |
Posted - 31 Dec 2013 : 14:53:31
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Originally posted by Dennis
...to thwart the rise of the goddess of Death.
I am not well versed in english, but could the word "rise" as opposed to "ascension" incidate an already existing goddess either taking on the death domain or already having it and simply gaining more power rather than being a mortal attaining godhood?
Or if both word can be used interchageably? |
| Dennis |
Posted - 31 Dec 2013 : 12:11:42
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by silverwolfer
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Dennis
Possible. Though I have a . . . feeling it's going to be Shar--again. Perhaps it won't be that bad. Perhaps it may even be necessary. I mean, she's the one who started the Spellplague, so it may stand to reason she's the one to take a sorry fall when 4E closes and 5E starts.
Maybe in her arrogance to try to steal the portfolio of Death from Kelemvor, she nconsiderably that she'd be forced to lie low for a hundred years or so?
That'd be nice, but the Black Chronology that they revealed at the end of the 3E era specifically referred to a coming weakness of Shar's -- and that certainly didn't happen. I recall that one quite specifically, because I theorized then that we were going to see Shar take a hit.
She lost her shadow weave
Yeah, but there was no indication that this weakened her in any way.
Apparently not. One can say the Shadow Weave is just one of her toys. If the SW weakened her, she shouldn't have been able to jump-start the Cycle of Night, not to mention nearly completed it (and Godborn wouldn't have existed). |
| The Arcanamach |
Posted - 31 Dec 2013 : 04:54:14
I like the concept of the Raven Queen, but I wouldn't want her shoehorned into Kieriansalee. I would prefer the RQ become an interloper deity who gains the assistance of Kel as a 'kindred spirit' stated above...only to have her turn on him later. She would secretly start absorbing souls from the wall (mayhaps even with Kel's permission as she convinces him that the wall is kinda evil and she is putting those souls to rest...she then manufactures a reason to absorb more of them over time, culminating in a need to absorb a great deal of them in a short span to assist in some crisis). |
| Chosen of Asmodeus |
Posted - 31 Dec 2013 : 04:16:51
I can honestly say I hope it's not the Raven Queen. I hate the Raven Queen with a passion. |
| Veritas |
Posted - 31 Dec 2013 : 01:48:44
Or it could be Alusair!
Honestly I'd rather go for something like the Red Knight to Kiaransalee. Although I do like the Raven Queen, I feel Kelemvor is doing the job well enough that the distinction doesn't warrant a replacement. Maybe Zallanora/Shoon is finally making it to the big time! |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 30 Dec 2013 : 23:53:59
I was kinda thinking more in terms of Jergal‘s deadly twin sister, Jergalla.
Or was it Myrkulla, Bhaalette, Banelle, Talosina? Cyrica? Something like that.
(Note that Talos previously claimed dominion over the minor portfolio of “Violent Death“ or “Sudden Death“, although it was technically encompassed by Bhaal or Bane.)
For the record, I would personally accept Banjo The Clown or even (gasp!) MystraGoddessIV over that repulsively shoehorned Raven Queen, Unfit Goddess of Orwellian Lore. Just my opinion, of course. |
| Veritas |
Posted - 30 Dec 2013 : 22:52:32
Shandril Shessair makes her triumphant return to the Realms... |
| sfdragon |
Posted - 14 Oct 2013 : 05:08:52
Bhaal is already back........
to be straight, Bhaal was never the god of murder, just violent death or sacrificial death.
his title was Lord of Murder.... which could be interpreted as murder as far as violent death. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 14 Oct 2013 : 03:47:40
Aye, sfdragon and Arcanamach has the right of it. Kelemvor had both portfolios, death and the dead, and he still has, and Myrkul was the god of death, not Bhaal.
Speaking of Bhaal, I hope his return is tied to Shar taking a big hit in 5E. There is "loss" in murder, so maybe he'd "steal" a fair share of Shar's essence? |
| The Arcanamach |
Posted - 14 Oct 2013 : 03:17:33
??? I thought Myrkul was the god of death while Bhaal was the lord or murder (a narrowly focused type of death)? |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 14 Oct 2013 : 01:54:18
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Originally posted by Razz
Asmodeus always had a presence in the Realms. And they explained his sudden rise to godhood in it as well. I am ok with that. I am just not ok with Asmodeus being a deity. The Lords of the Nine goals never involved becoming a deity. Being a deity entails responsibilities they cannot easily shirk and may get in the way of their own goals. And, from what I remember, Asmodeus was meant to represent the absence of faith in deities. Why he would become one is contradictory to his background.
My best guess is, because the Realms (thanks to Ao) requires "worship=power", he probably realized his only way to gain great influence and power in the Realms was to follow Ao's rule of the deities. So he stepped in as a deity when things went into turmoil and can now do what he wants much easier. I wish they explained it like that, but I guess that's what fan Realms scholars are for.
As for the Raven Queen, as neat as she is (and it also means a great way to work in the Psychopomps creatures into the Realms from Pathfinder) I feel it unnecessary to shove a core 4E deity. A new aspect of Shar, that'll be fine but...people worry Kelemvor will be replaced.
However, last I remember, Kelemvor is not the god of DEATH but of the DEAD. As in he is not involved in the process that involves bringing one from life to death, but that his control is actually over those in the afterlife. A god of the Afterlife is a more correct term. Much like Hades was in Greek mythology, because Thanatos was the god of death in the Greek pantheon while Hades was the god of the dead. If the same set up is happening in the Realms, that is actually a good thing.
Why? Well because now the Realms can enjoy having a neutral death deity and an evil one, and not have to worry about bouncing back and forth. And, for the game itself, it will give players and DMs more options for adventures. Players can still worship Kelemvor and can still battle against the evil forces of death.
On that note, technically Bhaal is the lord of death itself, and we know he's coming back. |
| sfdragon |
Posted - 13 Oct 2013 : 22:52:53
ummm in previous editions Kelemvor held both portfolios of death and the dead.
someone in the higher ups thought that the fr deities only could have one portfolio.
he still is the god of death and the dead.
4e screwed up the realms in that degree........ but that is another topic for another thread that WILL never come up again.
now back to teh death goddess.
If the RAven Queen comes into the realms as Kelemvor's consort, than that is fine with me.
ALot of players use her as such any way.
but to bring her in just to do it is a bad idea.
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| Razz |
Posted - 13 Oct 2013 : 22:47:27
Asmodeus always had a presence in the Realms. And they explained his sudden rise to godhood in it as well. I am ok with that. I am just not ok with Asmodeus being a deity. The Lords of the Nine goals never involved becoming a deity. Being a deity entails responsibilities they cannot easily shirk and may get in the way of their own goals. And, from what I remember, Asmodeus was meant to represent the absence of faith in deities. Why he would become one is contradictory to his background.
My best guess is, because the Realms (thanks to Ao) requires "worship=power", he probably realized his only way to gain great influence and power in the Realms was to follow Ao's rule of the deities. So he stepped in as a deity when things went into turmoil and can now do what he wants much easier. I wish they explained it like that, but I guess that's what fan Realms scholars are for.
As for the Raven Queen, as neat as she is (and it also means a great way to work in the Psychopomps creatures into the Realms from Pathfinder) I feel it unnecessary to shove a core 4E deity. A new aspect of Shar, that'll be fine but...people worry Kelemvor will be replaced.
However, last I remember, Kelemvor is not the god of DEATH but of the DEAD. As in he is not involved in the process that involves bringing one from life to death, but that his control is actually over those in the afterlife. A god of the Afterlife is a more correct term. Much like Hades was in Greek mythology, because Thanatos was the god of death in the Greek pantheon while Hades was the god of the dead. If the same set up is happening in the Realms, that is actually a good thing.
Why? Well because now the Realms can enjoy having a neutral death deity and an evil one, and not have to worry about bouncing back and forth. And, for the game itself, it will give players and DMs more options for adventures. Players can still worship Kelemvor and can still battle against the evil forces of death. |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 13 Oct 2013 : 17:08:32
Now, that I could kind of buy... that Kiaransalee had some sort of memory wipe as a result of the High Magic ritual. Since even in core, the Raven Queen is a relatively new deity... it could be that the effects of the High Magic ritual reduced even her non-Torilian aspects. Thus, Nerull runs across the "mortal" that he takes on as a consort. Nerull being the god of death.... maybe something similar happened to Kelemvor and Kiaransalee's fallen form. Hmmm, I had proposed that maybe Kiaransalee was working with Velsharoon and possibly even Mask and Leira. What if the mind affecting and lore hiding High Magic ritual that hid Kiaransalee's name wasn't truly the act of mortals? What if this was actually an act of Leira hidden in the guise of High magic? We suddenly get rid of a VERY messy bit of lore that I think most of us hate (mortals killing gods with high magic rituals), and we bring back Leira. If we state that this is so that Kiaransalee can get within Kelemvor's domain to transform the souls within the wall into the divine energy necessary to bring back certain dead gods.... we're now getting into a scenario that might work for the 5th edition. In this scenario, the "Raven Queen" of core and the "Raven Queen"/Kiaransalee of FR are two different entities... and perhaps to show the difference, she doesn't kill Kelemvor, but does revive Velsharoon. She could maintain the focus on funerary rites, but also maintain a different focus on souls... not to destroy them but to free them to her service as incorporeal banshees/spectres/wraiths, etc... or revenants returned to wreak vengeance. I'd love to see her also possibly subsume the role of Cegilune, as goddess of hags (especially nighthags that deal with souls in the form of larvae), and even possibly become a power in Rashemen as a result. None of this actually requires a linkage between the "Raven Queen" and Kiaransalee however, but it could make for a decent story. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 13 Oct 2013 : 15:37:28
Two things.
First, one of my oldest cosmological theories is based on the existence of 'archtypes' - something thats been around since 1e, but was intended just for those multispheric, demi-human deities. In other words, every world (with Elves) has a 'Corellon', who may not even be called by that name, and each is a separate, individual unto itself, buuuut, each is also a part of something greater - the 'archtype'. Thus, they are like Avatars, but I call them 'Ubertars' (because an archtype is more on the power-level of an over-god, so each Ubertar can have its own avatars as well). In some cases - on worlds in closed spheres most-likely - these deities may not even be aware they are part of the greater archtype.
Originally, I had it where these things came about when a god 'sheared-off' a piece of itself, completely separate and whole, and sent it into a new sphere to start a new base for its religion. This is how it worked with the deities of the Old Empires in FR (the originals presumably having come from Earth... although I wouldn't necessarily bet on that). While I still believe this goes on, I think this is very risky for the god in question, and in most cases, they go a different route - they patronize a mortal they elevate to an exarch. This is done by merging one of its avatars (divine essence) with a mortal (something not completely unknown on Toril). Once the new religion fully takes hold on a world, the god can then 'flick a switch', so to speak, and the exarch turns into a full-blown ubertar of the archtype (so the mortal then becomes that world's personification of the god). Thus, each is a little different, and specific to each world, but are all part of the greater whole.
I happen to think this is what happened with Bane - the name itself was a template some poor sap mortal took-on when he thought he was following his OWN agenda, and it turned out he was just a puppet on a string for the REAL Bane (a multispheric archtype). I also think that (core) 'Bane' is just a useful alias for Asmodeus, but thats an entirely different topic (as Talos was for Gruumsh).
Thus, 'The Raven Queen' is an archtype, and Kiaransalee was the exarch/ubertar for her on Threnody. Then later, when kiaransalee moved her center of worship to Toril, The Raven Queen archtype lost contact with her wayward pawn (for at least awhile), most-likely because some of her other portfolios were in the hands of other gods, like Auril (another archfey whom she is probably all too familiar with). Perhaps after the affair with Orcus, it jogged her memory (and the Raven Queen persona started becoming dominant again).
Point #2:
At this time, Khiaransalee has lost all memories of her own existence, and if she somehow makes it back to Toril (with the help of the Dark three, perhaps?), she will be a different person then she was when she was Khiaransalee - that mortal portion of her personality has all but been wiped-out. All that is left is The Raven Queen. Almost no-one - god or mortal - would know the truth behind her return, not even Kelemvor, who may see her as a 'kindred spirit', as an ally against Auril, and even as a new 'soul mate' now that Midnight/Mystra is no more.
And... she would slowly be getting her memories back. Is just a matter of time before she turns on Kel and tries to take over the afterlife. Poor, stupid Kelemvor... always falling for the dangerous chick. 
BTW, I just realized today that 4e has Torog, and PF has Torag (the dwarven god). I have to figure-out a way to spin that together (a task worthy of the gods!)  |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 13 Oct 2013 : 14:31:47
Since I knew next to nothing of the Raven Queen, but I was intrigued by the notion that somehow this was Kiaransalee using another name... I looked her up to see what could be made of her past. Granted, she's from the core, so the lore is for the core. I know Markustay stated he likes the idea of possibly the Raven Queen/Kiaransalee being consort to Kelemvor, but personally that wouldn't work for me. I'd prefer more that she be in league with Velsharoon (I'd actually stated this in previous chats of Kiaransalee) even though both are vying for the same worshippers. In fact, their worshippers may even provide devotion to both of them... and there may be heresies out there that the two are in fact the same entity wearing two faces and portraying themselves as the "dead" deities. I actually wouldn't mind it even if Velsharoon were portrayed as in service to her, but my preference is equal sharing of power and working against Orcus and other fiendish powers who seek to impinge upon the powers of necromancy, death magic, blood magic, binding magic, etc....
However, how does what I want to see happen with Kiaransalee mesh with what I see of the Raven Queen? Both have names that have been lost to history. This would seem to be a good start. However, lets take it further. The Raven Queen seems to hate undeath because she wants to destroy souls to increase her power. Kiaransalee relishes the creation of Undead. The Raven Queen seemed to have died a mortal death before becoming a deity (she slew Nerull). Kiaransalee EITHER never died or became undead. The Raven Queen purged her true name from the world in an attempt to claim her full divinity and break the shackles placed upon her by the other gods. Kiaransalee had her true name purged from Toril by a high magic ritual against her will. The Raven Queen has allied with Corellon against Lolth. I'm not sure if Kiaransalee would go so far as to ally with Corellon... other deities maybe.... Corellon.... kind of hard to swallow. The Raven Queen has control of winter... I'd prefer Auril be a separate entity. The Raven Queen is a goddess of fate, and I'd prefer Kiaransalee not be such.
So, based on the comparison of the two, I'm not seeing an easy mesh. I could see the Raven Queen trying to come over and steal Kiaransalee's worshippers, but that ends up with a situation that I'm not real interested in. I could see the Raven Queen coming over and trying to destroy Kelemvor's wall in order to absorb all of this soul energy. I could see Kiaransalee posing as the Raven Queen in order to get into the position to trick Kelemvor. I could even see Kiaransalee, Velsharoon, Leira, and Mask all in some complex plot to trick Kelemvor into destroying the wall with Kiaransalee posing as the Raven Queen (with Kelemvor maybe being unable to discover her true name because of the high magic ritual that affected Kiaransalee... and thus he believes that this is "the Raven Queen" that he's heard of in deific circles) and then these deities using this released soul energy to catapult themselves back to the divine. However, all of this is all about either the Raven Queen posing as Kiaransalee or vice versa. It doesn't quite fit that one is the other.
From the Wikipedia entry for the Raven Queen (I cannot attest to its truthfulness or completeness)
"The Raven Queen appears as one of the deities described in the Players Handbook for fourth edition (2008).[2] Although she is an original creation for the 4th edition pantheon, Divine Power and the 4th edition Manual of the Planes establish that she was once the mortal consort of the original god of the dead, Nerull. She overthrew the tyrannical Nerull and claimed his portfolio by absorbing the powers of every tormented soul in his dominion, leading the other deities to revoke her power over deceased souls; hence, she can only claim dominion over death itself, and not over those who have died.
The Raven Queen would later solidify her power base during the War of Winter, when she demanded the portfolio of winter in exchange for slaying the rebel goddess Khala.[3]:67 The Raven Queen thus joined the ranks of those gods who control the seasons, the others being Corellon (spring), Pelor (summer) and Sehanine (autumn). At some point, the Raven Queen assisted Corellon in his war against Lolth; as a reward, she demanded power over fate, which had previously been in Lolth's portfolio.[4]
The Raven Queen counts few personal enemies (or friends) among the gods. She is the only god on "friendly" terms with Torog, but even she keeps the King That Crawls at arm's length. Her most hated foe is Orcus, the Demon Prince of the Undead, who constantly schemes to slay her and take her portfolio.[5]:206 Dragon #374 implies that she may be romantically interested in the coldhearted Archfey known as the Prince of Frost."
From Another WIKI entry
"The name of the god of death is long forgotten, but she is called the Raven Queen. She is the spinner of fate and the patron of winter. She marks the end of each mortal life, and mourners call upon her during funeral rites, in the hope that she will guard the departed from the curse of undeath. She expects her followers to abide by these commandments:
#9726;Hold no pity for those who suffer and die, for death is the natural end of life.
#9726;Bring down the proud who try to cast off the chains of fate. As the instrument of the Raven Queen, you must punish hubris where you find it.
#9726;Watch for the cults of Orcus and stamp them out whenever they arise. The Demon Prince of the Undead seeks to claim the Raven Queen’s throne. "
I then went to this URL for a dragon article for more info
https://www.wizards.com/dnd/downloads/dungeon/171/171_Raven_Queen.pdf |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 13 Oct 2013 : 05:09:46
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Originally posted by silverwolfer
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Dennis
Possible. Though I have a . . . feeling it's going to be Shar--again. Perhaps it won't be that bad. Perhaps it may even be necessary. I mean, she's the one who started the Spellplague, so it may stand to reason she's the one to take a sorry fall when 4E closes and 5E starts.
Maybe in her arrogance to try to steal the portfolio of Death from Kelemvor, she nconsiderably that she'd be forced to lie low for a hundred years or so?
That'd be nice, but the Black Chronology that they revealed at the end of the 3E era specifically referred to a coming weakness of Shar's -- and that certainly didn't happen. I recall that one quite specifically, because I theorized then that we were going to see Shar take a hit.
She lost her shadow weave
Yeah, but there was no indication that this weakened her in any way. |
| silverwolfer |
Posted - 13 Oct 2013 : 04:20:50
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Dennis
Possible. Though I have a . . . feeling it's going to be Shar--again. Perhaps it won't be that bad. Perhaps it may even be necessary. I mean, she's the one who started the Spellplague, so it may stand to reason she's the one to take a sorry fall when 4E closes and 5E starts.
Maybe in her arrogance to try to steal the portfolio of Death from Kelemvor, she nconsiderably that she'd be forced to lie low for a hundred years or so?
That'd be nice, but the Black Chronology that they revealed at the end of the 3E era specifically referred to a coming weakness of Shar's -- and that certainly didn't happen. I recall that one quite specifically, because I theorized then that we were going to see Shar take a hit.
She lost her shadow weave |
| The Sage |
Posted - 12 Oct 2013 : 14:20:02
Thinking on this further... I'm starting to wonder, now, whether a sliver of Kiaransalee's time as "Lady of the Dead" may have actually survived beyond Orcus's reclamation of his position of power.
Maybe this sliver couldn't exist wholly on it's own... and eventually either had to merge with some pre-existing divine-energy dispersed into the Astral after multiple god-deaths in the Realms during the Spellplague, or finds some purchase [and is thus "promoted"] among the divine pantheon when Ao reconfigures the Celestial Pantheon during the Sundering.
So armed with a new name, new position, and new portfolio, this sliver could be the basis for the so-called "rise of the goddess of Death." |
| Markustay |
Posted - 12 Oct 2013 : 14:06:09
Yeah, I wasn't the first to mention her, but I am really loving her coming back as the Raven Queen - its fits everything so perfectly (including the fact FR folks forgot her name! Great stuff there!)
In my homebrew, I have Pharasma as Kelemvor's consort, but I may swap that out for this - I like it much better. He can remain as 'judge of the dead', and she can just be in charge of them after judgement (so like the 'governor of hell' kind of thing). |
| Drustan Dwnhaedan |
Posted - 12 Oct 2013 : 07:16:11
I agree with Dalor Darden on this. I had thought of another possible goddess*, but I think the 'forgotten deity returning using another identity' idea is even better than my own idea.
*I had an idea that it might be Talona, since disease and poison do cause an awful lot of deaths in the Realms. (I'll apologize for this suggestion now, just in case it causes another argument. Sorry, one and all.)
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| Dalor Darden |
Posted - 12 Oct 2013 : 03:54:12
I really REALLY like the idea of a "forgotten" god using another identity to bring itself back to power...I like it more than passingly well! |
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