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| vallon |
Posted - 01 Jun 2012 : 15:11:44
Just this past week, I read and truly enjoyed Rich Baker's novel 'The City of Ravens'. The story, and especially its 'hero' Jack Ravenwild, provided me with several laugh-out-loud moments.
I was floored when I found out yesterday that a great character like Jack wasn't lost to the 4e time-jump, but is back in action(and mayhem)in Mr. Baker's upcoming 'Prince of Ravens'(July 3).
This pleasant surprise was quickly spoiled by what looks like another Kindle-only release.. I don't know what bothers me more: Being forced to purchase my favourite releases in a format I don't care for, at a price not much cheaper than a paperback version that I would 'own' and have on one of my shelves? Or perhaps not finding any rhyme or reason in Wizard's decisions as to which stories are honored by an actual paper release or not?
As I spend most of my days in front of a computer, the last thing I want to do when I get home is to have to stare at another screen if I want to unplug and enjoy a good book. I understand that ownership has its privileges, but I'm not very pleased by this new trend. |
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| vallon |
Posted - 06 Jun 2012 : 14:05:22
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by Fellfire
I find the discussion of bookmarks in an e-reader thread somewhat amusing.
Then you'll probably find the notion that I use sticky-markers [that I stick on-screen] for bookmarking my place in e-books as well -- especially if I'm only temporarily leaving my reader behind somewhere, and coming back to it shortly -- equally amusing. 
I certainly do! |
| The Sage |
Posted - 05 Jun 2012 : 02:24:16
quote:
Originally posted by Fellfire
I find the discussion of bookmarks in an e-reader thread somewhat amusing.
Then you'll probably find the notion that I use sticky-markers [that I stick on-screen] for bookmarking my place in e-books as well -- especially if I'm only temporarily leaving my reader behind somewhere, and coming back to it shortly -- equally amusing. |
| Therise |
Posted - 05 Jun 2012 : 02:22:12
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
On the other hand....
Elves would love Kindles (and other paperless formats). A lot less trees get murdered.
Just playing devil's Advocate. I hate trees - look at them... just plotting their eventual takeover...
 
Heh, a reference to Durkon Thundershield of OotS and his severe phobia of trees? LOL Nice!
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| Fellfire |
Posted - 05 Jun 2012 : 02:21:47
I find the discussion of bookmarks in an e-reader thread somewhat amusing. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 05 Jun 2012 : 01:53:31
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I've been using lami (idol cards) as bookmarks for over 10 years now... I've got a huge stack of them, and I just rotate thru them. I usually will select which ones to use beforehand, going thru a particular series of cards for a particular book series. For example, right now I'm reading the Empire trilogy, and using (officially licensed, not fan-made) lami of female characters from Neon Genesis Evangelion. The first book, the lami was Rei, the second book, the lami is Misato, and the last book, I'll use the lami of Asuka.
That's a cool idea.
The extent of my bookmarking, mostly resides around using something specific to the book or series I'm reading. For example, when I'm reading a BATTLETECH novel, I'll try to use either one of the cards from the old BT card game, or some other piece of setting-material -- like the old Clan or Inner Sphere House Patches to mark my place in a book.
When I don't have anything tied to a specific book or series to help mark where I'm at in my reading, I'll usually just fall back to whatever is handy and/or nearby, and can successfully operate as a bookmark. |
| Fellfire |
Posted - 04 Jun 2012 : 18:24:56
I had thought I would hate the format, but I've given it a chance, and I love it. I load my tablet up with a few dozen source books and novels and take it on the go. Don't even have to turn the light on at night to read. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 04 Jun 2012 : 18:18:12
On the other hand....
Elves would love Kindles (and other paperless formats). A lot less trees get murdered.
Just playing devil's Advocate. I hate trees - look at them... just plotting their eventual takeover...
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 04 Jun 2012 : 17:51:18
I've been using lami (idol cards) as bookmarks for over 10 years now... I've got a huge stack of them, and I just rotate thru them. I usually will select which ones to use beforehand, going thru a particular series of cards for a particular book series. For example, right now I'm reading the Empire trilogy, and using (officially licensed, not fan-made) lami of female characters from Neon Genesis Evangelion. The first book, the lami was Rei, the second book, the lami is Misato, and the last book, I'll use the lami of Asuka.
I used to use bookmarks of my own creation, but then I discovered lami, and I bought a lot of them -- I used to be rather much more of a collector-type than I am now. Luckily, my collection of lami (and shitajiki, as well) was something that escaped the fire.
And since I mentioned shitajiki... I've gotten some duplicate shitajiki, as well, and use those as the bookmarks for game books. |
| Artemas Entreri |
Posted - 04 Jun 2012 : 15:40:47
quote:
Originally posted by Lord Karsus
-When I read Forgotten Realms books, that's why I used a folded up piece of paper as a bookmark, along with my real bookmark (celebrating it's tenth birthday now; got it when Lord of the Rings first came out)- things of interest, like Elven words, or Elven names, or Kara-Tur things, I'd jot down on the paper so I didn't forget them.
I made myself a bookmark when Scions of Shannara was released in 1990. I eventually had to laminate it to protect it after thousands upon thousands of pages of fine adventure. |
| Jeremy Grenemyer |
Posted - 04 Jun 2012 : 05:47:38
quote:
Originally posted by vallon
As I spend most of my days in front of a computer, the last thing I want to do when I get home is to have to stare at another screen if I want to unplug and enjoy a good book. I understand that ownership has its privileges, but I'm not very pleased by this new trend.
There is a thread on the Forgotten Realms General Forum called Open letter to WoTC regarding eBooks where you can voice your concerns as well.
Like you I spend most of my day in front of a computer. However I've come enjoy the free Kindle reader app and have ready access to a library of books.
I don't prefer to have bookshelves crammed with books like I used to. Instead I'm coming to prefer my home filled with a select few books and the rest in digital format. |
| skychrome |
Posted - 04 Jun 2012 : 04:24:07
Honestly, from my perspective this thread is about discussing a LUXURY PROBLEM.... 
At least you US guys have the chance to download FR e-books, while outside the US you don't, at least 95% of them.
Prince of Ravens is not available for me, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AGAIN WOTC!
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| sfdragon |
Posted - 04 Jun 2012 : 02:03:44
well add my name to the disdain of digital books.
I dont have time to boot my pc for anything other than web surfing game platying or screwing around in word.... |
| Dalor Darden |
Posted - 03 Jun 2012 : 20:51:39
Well, all I can say is that book highlights work much better for memorizing...whether "on a mission" or sitting in a classroom. |
| Lord Karsus |
Posted - 03 Jun 2012 : 20:28:28
-When I read Forgotten Realms books, that's why I used a folded up piece of paper as a bookmark, along with my real bookmark (celebrating it's tenth birthday now; got it when Lord of the Rings first came out)- things of interest, like Elven words, or Elven names, or Kara-Tur things, I'd jot down on the paper so I didn't forget them. |
| Dalor Darden |
Posted - 03 Jun 2012 : 20:24:41
quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden
Aye, I understand both ways: for a simple paperback, she is going to get used! For a hardcopy, well, that's a gentle read.
Heh!
I strive to treat every book like a lady, however tarted up or digital-only she might be. 
Cheers
Most of my soft paper novels are used like Lore Books...they are often highlighted! Yes, I know...many faces of  or  or
However, it is a practice I learned when once upon a time I was a Priest...yes, priest. I often took a soft print copy of scripture and did the same with a highlighting frenzy! To me, it wasn't the physical words that are important, but the meaning they convey. |
| Lord Karsus |
Posted - 03 Jun 2012 : 20:23:46
-A gentleman, and a scholar. |
| Erik Scott de Bie |
Posted - 03 Jun 2012 : 17:57:11
quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden
Aye, I understand both ways: for a simple paperback, she is going to get used! For a hardcopy, well, that's a gentle read.
Heh!
I strive to treat every book like a lady, however tarted up or digital-only she might be.
Cheers |
| froglegg |
Posted - 03 Jun 2012 : 13:21:18
quote:
Originally posted by vallon
Just this past week, I read and truly enjoyed Rich Baker's novel 'The City of Ravens'. The story, and especially its 'hero' Jack Ravenwild, provided me with several laugh-out-loud moments.
I was floored when I found out yesterday that a great character like Jack wasn't lost to the 4e time-jump, but is back in action(and mayhem)in Mr. Baker's upcoming 'Prince of Ravens'(July 3).
This pleasant surprise was quickly spoiled by what looks like another Kindle-only release.. I don't know what bothers me more: Being forced to purchase my favourite releases in a format I don't care for, at a price not much cheaper than a paperback version that I would 'own' and have on one of my shelves? Or perhaps not finding any rhyme or reason in Wizard's decisions as to which stories are honored by an actual paper release or not?
As I spend most of my days in front of a computer, the last thing I want to do when I get home is to have to stare at another screen if I want to unplug and enjoy a good book. I understand that ownership has its privileges, but I'm not very pleased by this new trend.
AMEN!
Give me a real book anyday.
Nothing can beat a good soft chair, a nice reading lamp with a good book and no cpu or cell allowed in the room. Good times!
John |
| Thauranil |
Posted - 03 Jun 2012 : 13:14:06
Kindle is useless in India. All you get are the usual overpriced best seller types. Just try finding any FR books on it, its impossible. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 03 Jun 2012 : 08:47:54
LOL - and I thought I was bad. All my books eventually look pretty shabby. I had a friend once who had a fit because I wrote in the margins of one of his rule books (its not like they're the Dead Sea Scrolls or anything).
And I'm not talking about an RPG book - it was one of those thin ones you used to get with SPI games. We were playing a few things wrong, and I circled stuff - I didn't think it was any big deal.
He probably didn't crack spines either.
I don't know much about Kindle or Nook - all I know is Apple is way over priced, especially for propriety stuff you have to go back to the manufacturer for for anything. I remember when even the software had to come from them.
And I have a pet-peeve against them because they have an exclusive deal with my local cable company - their programming ONLY works on Apple products (so if I want to watch TV on my tablet, I HAVE TO buy an I-Pad... and thats just not going to happen). Same goes for the I-phone, I-pod, etc... so I can't watch TV in my room on my computer anymore, and you can't get basic cable without a box, so I'm screwed (or have to pay a monthly fee for a box I will only use occasionally).
Thats corporate BS at its worst.
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| Artemas Entreri |
Posted - 03 Jun 2012 : 04:27:55
quote:
Originally posted by Lord Karsus
quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden
There's just something about that freshly cracked spine, the feel and smell of a book...
-No, no, no! You never crack the spine! 
Agreed, all of my paperbacks are pristine |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 03 Jun 2012 : 03:24:41
The public library made me feel like a criminal when I returned a broken book. I knew, of course, that I'd have to pay for a replacement copy ... but still, the evil glares and haughty lectures and unspoken accusations of book rape and vandalism, lol. Incidentally, the book broke because I'd put it on the roof of my car, forgotten about it, then inadvertently ran it over while parking. |
| Therise |
Posted - 03 Jun 2012 : 03:03:24
quote:
-Doesn't matter. Makes it look sloppy on the bookshelf. You ever break a book's spine, I will hunt you down!
-Had a mother's former boyfriend do that to me, snap a few spines from my book collection as a punishment for something, a long time ago. Schmuck.
Wow, I hope she dumped that guy... what a petty thing for him to do. I don't personally take that great of care with my paperbacks, but doing that to someone on purpose is just vindictive.
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| Lord Karsus |
Posted - 03 Jun 2012 : 02:42:19
quote:
Originally posted by Therise
quote:
Originally posted by Lord Karsus
quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden
There's just something about that freshly cracked spine, the feel and smell of a book...
-No, no, no! You never crack the spine!
But... it's just a paperback...
-Doesn't matter. Makes it look sloppy on the bookshelf. You ever break a book's spine, I will hunt you down!
-Had a mother's former boyfriend do that to me, snap a few spines from my book collection as a punishment for something, a long time ago. Schmuck. |
| Dalor Darden |
Posted - 03 Jun 2012 : 02:36:47
Aye, I understand both ways: for a simple paperback, she is going to get used! For a hardcopy, well, that's a gentle read. |
| Therise |
Posted - 03 Jun 2012 : 02:35:18
quote:
Originally posted by Lord Karsus
quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden
There's just something about that freshly cracked spine, the feel and smell of a book...
-No, no, no! You never crack the spine!
But... it's just a paperback...
Saving the spine would only amount to like 20 cents more on a trade-in, if memory serves.
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| Lord Karsus |
Posted - 03 Jun 2012 : 02:21:38
quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden
There's just something about that freshly cracked spine, the feel and smell of a book...
-No, no, no! You never crack the spine! |
| Therise |
Posted - 03 Jun 2012 : 02:12:17
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
"Ghetto Tech"?
I see we have an elitist amongst us. Excuse me for not being willing to pay more for a stupid logo.
I am very happy with my Motorola tablet - it does everything I need it to do.
I still refuse to read books on it though - I'm old-school when it comes to my reading habits. Books are like women - if you can't hold 'em, it takes all the fun out of having one.
I choose to take this as a compliment rather than an insult.
See, I don't think elitism, or striving for better things, is bad in any way. Kindle and Nook IMO are ghetto tech because they are overly expensive and typically have just the one function.
Do you call me "elite" because I far prefer the multi-functionality of the iPad? Your Motorola tablet can likely make the same claim... so are you not "elitist" in that sense as well?
Or is it because I'm highly adaptable to new tech when you choose to reject it for emotional reasons?
Nostalgia has its place, but paperbacks are bulky, get yellowed or dirty/torn/worn-out, and are not even truly collectible. If I take a reader loaded with 50 books or more, I have tons of choices and can change my mind on what to read.
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| Markustay |
Posted - 03 Jun 2012 : 00:24:40
"Ghetto Tech"?
I see we have an elitist amongst us. Excuse me for not being willing to pay more for a stupid logo.
I am very happy with my Motorola tablet - it does everything I need it to do.
I still refuse to read books on it though - I'm old-school when it comes to my reading habits. Books are like women - if you can't hold 'em, it takes all the fun out of having one. |
| Erik Scott de Bie |
Posted - 02 Jun 2012 : 18:27:54
WotC is currently looking into a Print-on-Demand model. I don't know details, only that it's being considered.
An actual (and prohibitivel expensive) print run would be ideal, sure, but at least with pod, you could get paper if you want it.
I advise anyone with strong feelings on the issue to contact WotC directly. If you prefer, email me and I'll forward your feedback.
Cheers |
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