| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| Dennis |
Posted - 29 Jan 2012 : 12:34:04
Has anyone seen it? The story’s okay, but not something you haven’t heard of or seen. I feel there’s a lot that got edited out. 99% of the film is all action. Which is not exactly bad in itself, as it is fun to watch Celine do her thing. Clearly, there would be a sequel, which must be darker. And I hope to see more “competent” vampires. Celine should begin training a coven or two, as most of them rather prefer hiding.
We’ve had Realms novels centered on elves, wizards, liches, dragons, angels, and devils. But never a vampire-centric novel. If there would be one, how would you want it to be? What sex and class would the protagonist be? Female and fighter? Wizard? Rogue? Who would be the villain/s? Which realm would the setting be? And who would you want to pen it? |
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| Dennis |
Posted - 11 Feb 2012 : 01:54:47
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
And back to Underworld- I saw, I liked. Definitely a sequel being set up here, and I'd guess that the reason that there were no hybrids before is because Michael was the first descendant to actually love a vamp and not get killed for it- the last inter-species couple in that world/mythos ended up dead before anything ever came of it.
Michael wasn't the first. Lucian was. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 11 Feb 2012 : 00:04:12
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
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Originally posted by Markustay
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
And Markus- Drizzt was NEVER the "only" good drow- Pretty sure Quilue and friends were aroung LOONG before him!! (Check the time-line- her founding of the Promenade was long before Drizzt was even a "twinkle" in Zaknafein's eye!)
Nope. Check the publishing dates on everything applicable - RW, Drizzt came FIRST (and started this stupid 'angsty Drow' craze).
MT, I usually agree with you on most topics, and generally love your ideas. However, I feel that even the RW material will back me up here. Quilue was/is the "Seventh sister", which since they are Ed's own ladies makes her older whether in Fr lore or in the sources (eilistraee and her followers were around before salvatore's novels, IIRC- there was even a small group of them in the Vault of the Drow module set, if I remember right!) and Ed has played in the FR sandbox longer than anyone- ie, he built it and hauled in the sand. I'd say that makes her older any way you slice it. But each to his own, I suppose.
Gotta side with Markus. In published Realmslore, Drizzt was the first good-aligned drow. And Ed didn't create Qilue -- he just knew there was a Dark Sister. Steven Schend ran with that bit and created Qilue.
Both Ed and Steven have discussed this bit about Qilue's creation in the Realmslore, and they're recommended reading for any scribe with an interest in the origins of the Dark Sister. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 10 Feb 2012 : 23:25:28
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
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Originally posted by Markustay
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
And Markus- Drizzt was NEVER the "only" good drow- Pretty sure Quilue and friends were aroung LOONG before him!! (Check the time-line- her founding of the Promenade was long before Drizzt was even a "twinkle" in Zaknafein's eye!)
Nope. Check the publishing dates on everything applicable - RW, Drizzt came FIRST (and started this stupid 'angsty Drow' craze).
MT, I usually agree with you on most topics, and generally love your ideas. However, I feel that even the RW material will back me up here. Quilue was/is the "Seventh sister", which since they are Ed's own ladies makes her older whether in Fr lore or in the sources (eilistraee and her followers were around before salvatore's novels, IIRC- there was even a small group of them in the Vault of the Drow module set, if I remember right!) and Ed has played in the FR sandbox longer than anyone- ie, he built it and hauled in the sand. I'd say that makes her older any way you slice it. But each to his own, I suppose.
Gotta side with Markus. In published Realmslore, Drizzt was the first good-aligned drow. And Ed didn't create Qilue -- he just knew there was a Dark Sister. Steven Schend ran with that bit and created Qilue. |
| Alystra Illianniis |
Posted - 10 Feb 2012 : 22:05:39
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Originally posted by Markustay
[quote]Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
And Markus- Drizzt was NEVER the "only" good drow- Pretty sure Quilue and friends were aroung LOONG before him!! (Check the time-line- her founding of the Promenade was long before Drizzt was even a "twinkle" in Zaknafein's eye!)
Nope. Check the publishing dates on everything applicable - RW, Drizzt came FIRST (and started this stupid 'angsty Drow' craze).[quote]
MT, I usually agree with you on most topics, and generally love your ideas. However, I feel that even the RW material will back me up here. Quilue was/is the "Seventh sister", which since they are Ed's own ladies makes her older whether in Fr lore or in the sources (eilistraee and her followers were around before salvatore's novels, IIRC- there was even a small group of them in the Vault of the Drow module set, if I remember right!) and Ed has played in the FR sandbox longer than anyone- ie, he built it and hauled in the sand. I'd say that makes her older any way you slice it. But each to his own, I suppose.
And for the record, I've NEVER seen the "angsty" thing with ol' Drizzy. There are those who say his journal entries sound that way, but they are in fact, simply introspective and observationist. They are NOT the whiny, suicidal, "woe is me, no one loves me" diary entries of some emo teen-ager. He may occasionally be broody and quiet, but given his family baggage (mom wnats to kill him, sis wants to boink him, dad is distant and can't show affection) I'd say that's normal. Especially considering the hell that is Menzo... To me, angsty is more like Angel from the Buffy series (since you brought it up, and this thread is about vamps) while Drizzt is more like Spike- for those who don't see the parallel, Angel was dark, broody, and very conflicted, since he was cursed with a soul, and was basically a reluctant hero who was really only good because he was in love with Buffy and wanted to be good so she would love and respect him. He did not ASK for his soul, it was shoved at him for killing a Gypsy witch's kin. And when he lost it again, he became as evil as any other vamp.
Spike, on the other hand, went LOOKING for his soul back, because in SPITE of being evil, he fell for Buffy (realistically, the LAST person he would want to be around, since she is the Slayer) and CHOSE to become good and get his soul back so she could love him. (He literally went through Hell to do it!) And he became "good" (even before he got his soul back) to prove himself to her, so HE changed because he WANTED to! As opposed to simply because having a soul MADE him "good"....
Drizzt is like that- he never sat around moping about the places he was not accepted, he just moved on and kept looking until he found a place he was welcomed, and actively did good simply because it was what he believed in. He did not make the excuse of "well, all my people are evil, so I have to be, too" or play the "I'm trying to escape my own inner evil" card. It's just who he is/was. I don't see the angst there.
And back to Underworld- I saw, I liked. Definitely a sequel being set up here, and I'd guess that the reason that there were no hybrids before is because Michael was the first descendant to actually love a vamp and not get killed for it- the last inter-species couple in that world/mythos ended up dead before anything ever came of it. (IIRC, the vamp's daughter- forgot her name- was torched by sunlight while she was even prego, so we will never know if her offspring would have been a hybrid- but I suspect it would have.)
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| Dennis |
Posted - 08 Feb 2012 : 00:47:03
At MT:
The Realms' "less evil" guys (whom you call the "good" ones) were not killed off. Reduced in number, probably. But definitely not wiped out. Most 4E novels reflect that. The villains hardly won. |
| Eladrinstar |
Posted - 08 Feb 2012 : 00:28:31
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Originally posted by Dennis
There no good guys in the Realms. Everyone's a shade of gray. So your claim that nearly all the good guys were killed off is...well, invalid.
Everyone is a shade of gray, but some of that gray is pretty light. There are definitely good guys in the Realms, just as there are bad guys. Plus the idea that there is no good or evil is ridiculous when the setting exists in a universe where alignments are tangible forces in the cosmos. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 08 Feb 2012 : 00:17:10
Zero opposition? Where did you get that? Besides, they themselves oppose each other.
Despite their individual might, they are careful in moving their chess pieces, for every wrong move could spell catastrophe. Telamont forced Rivalen to stop the Shadowstorm and said something along this line, "before Faerun's powerful take notice." A clear indication that he chooses manipulation over direct confrontation. Which has proven effective, as they had been able to reclaim Anauroch and Sakkors and conquered Sembia.
Some Shadovar agents allied with outsiders to foil Szass Tam's plan of erecting and activating a Dread Ring in Neverwinter. That's a Thay vs Shade minor fight via proxies.
There no good guys in the Realms. Everyone's a shade of gray. So your claim that nearly all the good guys were killed off is...well, invalid. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 07 Feb 2012 : 20:15:33
Right, which is why by 1479 DR - after nearly all the 'good guys' were killed-off (and the few who were left were left mere husks of their former selves) - the Shadovar, Red Wizards, Malaugrym, Abolethic Soveriegnty, Bright Pink Dragons in tutu's, etc, ad nauseum...
Killed everyone and took their stuff.
Oh... wait... thats not what happened...
DESPITE the fact they have ZERO opposition, they still haven't taken over a damn thing.
So which is it? Are they incompetent, or are the 4e designers? You can't have it both ways. Being the very, very nice guy that I am, I am defending the designers here by saying every 'bad guy' in the Realms is a complete putz.
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| Dennis |
Posted - 05 Feb 2012 : 23:04:34
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Originally posted by Markustay
If the Shades and Red Wizards were anywhere near as strong and competent as the books portray them, they would have taken over long ago.
They are powerful and they are competent. It just happens that they are not alone in that department. Thus "world domination" is quite far from their reach. And thus, the Balance, which any shared-world setting must always have, is kept. I wonder where these ideas that they're weak and incompetent came from . You haven't (or would not?) read the novels where the said characters took prominent roles. You may have your own version of a canon. But as far as the true canon goes, the Shadovar and the Red Wizards are way far from incompetent and weak. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 05 Feb 2012 : 22:29:07
You know - I began to rant again.
Novels shouldn't be canon. Lets just agree to disagree.
EDIT: I edited my above post so you can see precisely what I was addressing. Sorry for the confusion.
EDIT2: Both Eberron and Greyhawk used the model of 'Novels aren't canon', and it worked fine. I am not familiar enough with DL or DS to know how it worked for them, but I know the novels were one of the reasons I avoided DL (I felt they shoe-horned folks into an exact series of events, but that was probably because I had a DM who ran it precisely that way). |
| Dennis |
Posted - 04 Feb 2012 : 19:54:45
Novels should be ignored when in fact they're canon? Wow. You want to publish fanfic instead?
Anyway, we're not discussing the Shadovar here. Were you supposed to post that in CP's thread? |
| Markustay |
Posted - 04 Feb 2012 : 18:30:56
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
And Markus- Drizzt was NEVER the "only" good drow- Pretty sure Quilue and friends were aroung LOONG before him!! (Check the time-line- her founding of the Promenade was long before Drizzt was even a "twinkle" in Zaknafein's eye!)
Nope.
Check the publishing dates on everything applicable - RW, Drizzt came FIRST (and started this stupid 'angsty Drow' craze).
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Originally posted by Dennis
It all depends on who the lich is, and from where. If he's of Szass Tam's level, then it's a definite yes. Szass Tam effortlessly controlled a blood fiend (Tsagoth) who's ten times stronger than Jason.
Thats why novels should be ignored - they contradict sources. If the Shades and Red Wizards were anywhere near as strong and competent as the books portray them, they would have taken over long ago. You can't 'uberize' all the bad guys, and at the same time kill off (nearly) all the good guys. You wind up with a very broken setting that way.
Ed balanced his Realms perfectly - almost everyone who came after was clueless. They took the balance he built for 25+ years and threw it right out the window. WotC may consider the novels canon, but as far as I am concerned they are apocryphal.
Edited, because I don't feel like getting banned from a site I love.
I had to erase the rest - I went off on an epic-level rant, and I am trying to be all 'butterflies and rainbows' these days. Still, incompetence at one's job drives me into a rage. My apologies. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 04 Feb 2012 : 13:57:38
Probably will do. Then they can have Chris Hemsworth to play the mortal lover. |
| Thauranil |
Posted - 04 Feb 2012 : 11:47:02
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by Thauranil
well thats true but her daughter is also part lycan and part whatever Corvinus was. Its unlikely she will ever be fully accepted by any faction. Heh maybe Celine should ally with the humans 
No alliance is permanent. Who knows, Michael will die. And Celine would find a human lover and bear his son, who would have the strength and agility of a vampire but can walk in daylight. Then suddenly all vampires are hunting him down to suck his blood...to gain immunity to sunlight...
Maybe you should submit this story idea to Columbia! |
| Tyrant |
Posted - 04 Feb 2012 : 01:39:40
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by Tyrant
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by Thauranil
When i first heard about the new movies i was sure that we would see some lycan vampire cooperation against the human threat. I mean wasn't that the whole point with the hybrids in the first place, and i suppose that the fact that the same old feud was being continued was what left me a bit disappointed.
Emphasis mine.
Not really. Given that the hybrids are generally stronger than either vampires and lycans, they can rise as a new race and eradicate the two original races from which they were spawned.
To follow up, I thought Lucian's plan was to use the hybrid to wipe out the vampires or at least kill Victor.
As a general thought, I wonder why the Lycans are totally okay with further mutating themselves and embracing the idea of a hybrid while the vampires seem hell bent against it? I know Victor had a big influence on that, but the vampires are spread out and clearly have considerable financial resources and facilities so I would think it would've happened before Celine and Markus.
I suppose it's the latter. Killing Viktor would not have been enough, as someone as competent as he was could easily fill in his shoes.
To become a hybrid, I think, may not be that easy. Perhaps more than half of the lycans (or vampires) have "bad blood," or "genes," that mutation can only occur once in every hundred matching. Otherwise, we would have seen thousands of hybrids.
With the hybrids I meant embracing the idea, not creating them. I think only the Corvinus descendants can become actual hybrids. Otherwise it would be as you said and there would some of them already around before Michael Though I don't know where that leaves Celine as she is "enhanced" at this point and is not related. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 04 Feb 2012 : 01:32:56
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Originally posted by Tyrant
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by Thauranil
When i first heard about the new movies i was sure that we would see some lycan vampire cooperation against the human threat. I mean wasn't that the whole point with the hybrids in the first place, and i suppose that the fact that the same old feud was being continued was what left me a bit disappointed.
Emphasis mine.
Not really. Given that the hybrids are generally stronger than either vampires and lycans, they can rise as a new race and eradicate the two original races from which they were spawned.
To follow up, I thought Lucian's plan was to use the hybrid to wipe out the vampires or at least kill Victor.
As a general thought, I wonder why the Lycans are totally okay with further mutating themselves and embracing the idea of a hybrid while the vampires seem hell bent against it? I know Victor had a big influence on that, but the vampires are spread out and clearly have considerable financial resources and facilities so I would think it would've happened before Celine and Markus.
I suppose it's the latter. Killing Viktor would not have been enough, as someone as competent as he was could easily fill in his shoes.
To become a hybrid, I think, may not be that easy. Perhaps more than half of the lycans (or vampires) have "bad blood," or "genes," that mutation can only occur once in every hundred matching. Otherwise, we would have seen thousands of hybrids. |
| Tyrant |
Posted - 04 Feb 2012 : 01:12:24
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by Thauranil
When i first heard about the new movies i was sure that we would see some lycan vampire cooperation against the human threat. I mean wasn't that the whole point with the hybrids in the first place, and i suppose that the fact that the same old feud was being continued was what left me a bit disappointed.
Emphasis mine.
Not really. Given that the hybrids are generally stronger than either vampires and lycans, they can rise as a new race and eradicate the two original races from which they were spawned.
To follow up, I thought Lucian's plan was to use the hybrid to wipe out the vampires or at least kill Victor.
As a general thought, I wonder why the Lycans are totally okay with further mutating themselves and embracing the idea of a hybrid while the vampires seem hell bent against it? I know Victor had a big influence on that, but the vampires are spread out and clearly have considerable financial resources and facilities so I would think it would've happened before Celine and Markus. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 04 Feb 2012 : 00:12:41
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Originally posted by Thauranil
When i first heard about the new movies i was sure that we would see some lycan vampire cooperation against the human threat. I mean wasn't that the whole point with the hybrids in the first place, and i suppose that the fact that the same old feud was being continued was what left me a bit disappointed.
Emphasis mine.
Not really. Given that the hybrids are generally stronger than either vampires and lycans, they can rise as a new race and eradicate the two original races from which they were spawned. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 04 Feb 2012 : 00:04:48
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Originally posted by Thauranil
well thats true but her daughter is also part lycan and part whatever Corvinus was. Its unlikely she will ever be fully accepted by any faction. Heh maybe Celine should ally with the humans
No alliance is permanent. Who knows, Michael will die. And Celine would find a human lover and bear his son, who would have the strength and agility of a vampire but can walk in daylight. Then suddenly all vampires are hunting him down to suck his blood...to gain immunity to sunlight... |
| Thauranil |
Posted - 03 Feb 2012 : 07:21:21
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I think they turned the series pro vampire in order to appeal to the screaming teenage girl crowd that loves Edward Cullen and likes to have their blood sucked or whatever...
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I think it could be argued that the series has been relatively pro vampire from the start. The main character is a vampire. The bulk of the characters with any screen time are vampires. The vampires don't become monsterous just before they feed as they do in other series, while the lycans become completely inhuman. Celine hasn't shown the slightest bit of remorse in taking out lycans for a few centuries despite revelations from the movies. The vampires are shown as aristocratic types drinking cloned (or was it farmed, I can't recall) blood instead of killing live humans while it is stated that the only reason for the lycans to hunt a person would be to eat them (implying it is something they still like to do). This latest installment was somewhat pro lycan showing (again) that they have the ability to plot and scheme, in this case without Lucian, while the vampires are seemingly stuck in the past and have no desire to "enhance" themselves. The lesson I took from these movies was that both sides would've been a lot better off trying to work together as true partners (and kill Victor so it could happen).
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While i am sure some werewolves did attack humans Victor greatly exaggerated this ' vicious and bloodthirsty ' nature in order to justify his purge. If you ask me the downtrodden werewolves like Lucian are more honorable and human than the disdainful aristocratic vampires.
As for working together I must admit the idea sounds appealing. When i first heard about the new movies i was sure that we would see some lycan vampire cooperation against the human threat. I mean wasn't that the whole point with the hybrids in the first place, and i suppose that the fact that the same old feud was being continued was what left me a bit disappointed. |
| Thauranil |
Posted - 03 Feb 2012 : 07:11:54
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by Thauranil
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by Thauranil
I think they turned the series pro vampire in order to appeal to the screaming teenage girl crowd that loves Edward Cullen and likes to have their blood sucked or whatever...
Well, Celine is a vampire, in the first place. If you make a character loathe her very being, her existence, and her kind, then you'd end up having an extremely emo (not to mention annoying) character.
Ah but she turned into something else when she drank the blood of Alexander Corvinus in Underworld Evolution.Also she had good cause to despise her race when she learned that Viktor, not the lycans, slaughtered her family.So why should she feel anything for the race that not only betrayed her but refused to apologize and scorned her.
She learned that not all vampires are like Viktor. And consider her "motherly love." Her daughter is part vampire. Any "good" mother wouldn't like to see her child slaughtered, would she?
well thats true but her daughter is also part lycan and part whatever Corvinus was. Its unlikely she will ever be fully accepted by any faction. Heh maybe Celine should ally with the humans |
| Dennis |
Posted - 03 Feb 2012 : 01:34:40
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Dennis
The vampire's dreaming is like the dark version of the elves' Reverie.
Well, we really don't know enough about the vampire that Van Richten was "interviewing."
I would expect that both age and relative power of the individual vampire affects how and why "dream images interfere with true memories."
For example, longer-lived vampires may have dreams which carry greater impact on their memories. Or vice versa. As ancient vampire lords grow in power, their dreams have less impact on their collected memories, as the lives they had before becoming a vampire, are slowly forgotten.
That is, given that vampires don't retain their memories before their transformation to undead. However, some (or mostly all) do, right till the moment of their destruction. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 03 Feb 2012 : 01:08:28
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Originally posted by Dennis
The vampire's dreaming is like the dark version of the elves' Reverie.
Well, we really don't know enough about the vampire that Van Richten was "interviewing."
I would expect that both age and relative power of the individual vampire affects how and why "dream images interfere with true memories."
For example, longer-lived vampires may have dreams which carry greater impact on their memories. Or vice versa. As ancient vampire lords grow in power, their dreams have less impact on their collected memories, as the lives they had before becoming a vampire, are slowly forgotten. |
| Alystra Illianniis |
Posted - 03 Feb 2012 : 01:07:48
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Originally posted by Eldacar
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Originally posted by Dennis
One of the reasons I agree with Diffan's suggestion of making the vampire protagonist a mage is that she would be able to learn a spell or create an artifact that would allow her to walk in daylight, perhaps by surrounding her with impenetrable shadows that stick to her being wherever she goes.
There is a spell to be found in the 3rd edition Lords of Darkness that does exactly that. It surrounds the wearer in shadows that protect them from sunlight. All you'd have to do is strap on the invisible metamagic (making the visible shadows, well, invisible), and bolt the spell to a ring.
Presto, you have yourself a daylight ring (or daylight-jewelry of your choice).
Been there, DONE THAT! I have an artifact in my campaigns that is precisely that- "Ring of hte Daywalker". It is an uberpowerful artifact that any ten vamps would give their fangs for. Not only lets one walk in sunlight, but immune to fire and gives one a "living" aura to fool mortals. Sadly, there is only one, as the vamp cabal of wizards who made it all killed each other over it shortly thereafter. It is currently in the possession of (one of) my big-bad vamp villain(s).
And Markus- Drizzt was NEVER the "only" good drow- Pretty sure Quilue and friends were aroung LOONG before him!! (Check the time-line- her founding of the Promenade was long before Drizzt was even a "twinkle" in Zaknafein's eye!) |
| Dennis |
Posted - 03 Feb 2012 : 00:31:24
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Originally posted by Markustay
I made a joke about 'Freddy' above (which I have used in The Nightmare Lands), and then it occurred to me - would vampires even be susceptible to him? Apparently... but it would probably be hard for him, since their 'dreams' appear to be more like swimming through a thick sea of their own memories.
No, I don't think Freddy can mentally "harm" vampires. Their dreaming is like a convergence between their conscious and subconscious mind, with the former "guiding" the latter's course. So any mental intrusion, if undesirable, could easily be expunged.
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Originally posted by Markustay
And I wonder if a vamp (or Lich) would be able to exert control over Jason... probably not. He's like a Revenant.
It all depends on who the lich is, and from where. If he's of Szass Tam's level, then it's a definite yes. Szass Tam effortlessly controlled a blood fiend (Tsagoth) who's ten times stronger than Jason. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 03 Feb 2012 : 00:23:20
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Markustay
Do Vampires even dream?
From Van Richten's Guide to Vampires:- "I once interrogated a vampire as to how it felt to hibernate. The creature described a condition of "sleep but not sleep," where thoughts are sluggish as thick honey and take months or years to flow. Where dream images interfere with true memories. Where sounds and sometimes smells from the surface find their way into the sanctuary, but disturb the mind no more than a rose petal falling on a still pool of water. Time has no meaning, hunger has no meaning. There is no future, there is no past. There is just the endless now."
The vampire's dreaming is like the dark version of the elves' Reverie. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 03 Feb 2012 : 00:20:21
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Originally posted by Thauranil
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by Thauranil
I think they turned the series pro vampire in order to appeal to the screaming teenage girl crowd that loves Edward Cullen and likes to have their blood sucked or whatever...
Well, Celine is a vampire, in the first place. If you make a character loathe her very being, her existence, and her kind, then you'd end up having an extremely emo (not to mention annoying) character.
Ah but she turned into something else when she drank the blood of Alexander Corvinus in Underworld Evolution.Also she had good cause to despise her race when she learned that Viktor, not the lycans, slaughtered her family.So why should she feel anything for the race that not only betrayed her but refused to apologize and scorned her.
She learned that not all vampires are like Viktor. And consider her "motherly love." Her daughter is part vampire. Any "good" mother wouldn't like to see her child slaughtered, would she? |
| Markustay |
Posted - 02 Feb 2012 : 15:29:45
Thanks Sage.
I made a joke about 'Freddy' above (which I have used in The Nightmare Lands), and then it occurred to me - would vampires even be susceptible to him? Apparently... but it would probably be hard for him, since their 'dreams' appear to be more like swimming through a thick sea of their own memories.
And I wonder if a vamp (or Lich) would be able to exert control over Jason... probably not. He's like a Revenant.
IMG (my HB world), the Shade-like, Elven Mæladrin (think Melnibonea) can 'suck life' from people, but its more like old-school D&D vamps. Humans that have been infused with the 'shadow stuff' (ectoplasm) have a more 'primitive' reaction, and become the regular blood-sucking types (not all, though - some manage to control it). |
| Thauranil |
Posted - 02 Feb 2012 : 10:56:42
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by Thauranil
I think they turned the series pro vampire in order to appeal to the screaming teenage girl crowd that loves Edward Cullen and likes to have their blood sucked or whatever...
Well, Celine is a vampire, in the first place. If you make a character loathe her very being, her existence, and her kind, then you'd end up having an extremely emo (not to mention annoying) character.
Ah but she turned into something else when she drank the blood of Alexander Corvinus in Underworld Evolution.Also she had good cause to despise her race when she learned that Viktor, not the lycans, slaughtered her family.So why should she feel anything for the race that not only betrayed her but refused to apologize and scorned her. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 02 Feb 2012 : 04:40:18
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Originally posted by Markustay
Do Vampires even dream?
From Van Richten's Guide to Vampires:- "I once interrogated a vampire as to how it felt to hibernate. The creature described a condition of "sleep but not sleep," where thoughts are sluggish as thick honey and take months or years to flow. Where dream images interfere with true memories. Where sounds and sometimes smells from the surface find their way into the sanctuary, but disturb the mind no more than a rose petal falling on a still pool of water. Time has no meaning, hunger has no meaning. There is no future, there is no past. There is just the endless now."
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