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Fellfire Posted - 12 Aug 2011 : 04:38:41
So I know from reading many of the posts here that a lot of Scribes disliked the Twilight series. I just watched all of the movies back to back. I also read all of the books, and while I may not have liked the fact that they were written from the POV of a teenage girl, I enjoyed them nevertheless. As a necrophile and lover of all things vampire, I thought that the books and movies were an original, creative and inventive take on the vampire/werewolf mythos. I especially liked the way the wolves were portrayed in the films. Am I alone in this? Can't Stephenie Meyer get any appreciation for her work? It's nice to see a sci-fi geek turned millionaire.
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Dennis Posted - 26 Nov 2011 : 19:56:14

No. The "war" didn't happen because Bella's shield would have rendered more than half of Aro's army useless. In fact, she didn't have to shield all their "friends." She could have just wrapped in a psychic that Egyptian boy who can manipulate all elements and let him drown, freeze, and incinerate The Volturi.

Jane's power is unbreakable illusion. Which most likely the moviegoers who watched New Moon but didn't read the novel would have found a bit confusing. She simply made Edward believe some sort of torture he could not escape from (unless she ceased it herself). What's more, she could target multiple people at the same time, thereby making whatever opposing army practically helpless.

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I'm planning to watch it this Saturday. I've just learned it hit more than 500 Million USD so far. Honestly, I didn't quite expect that. Excellent marketing, I guess.
Diffan Posted - 26 Nov 2011 : 18:33:32
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


"A lot of fighting"? I don't know how your wife defines "fighting," but I must say that there's hardly any fighting in the second part. Though I agree that there's less of the love angle. The second half of the novel focuses on Carlisle and family's attempt to "gather" their friends (who are gifted with various powers) to stop The Volturi's army. Unfortunately, Bella's growing power (a psychic shield) spoils the fun. And so I wish the movie would change that part of the book. Either they create another vampire whose power can cancel Bella's, or they strengthen Jane's gift, making it impervious to the shield.



The way she made it seem was that the battle happens in this next movie with Carlisle's allies and the Volturi fighting. Again, from what she says Bella's gift forces the Carlisle's allies to use strategy and guile to win the day due to her Shielding ability. I'm assuming Jane is the young girl Vampire with the ability to hurt people on the inside (it's hard to describe how she does what she does without readin the books)?
Dennis Posted - 26 Nov 2011 : 17:58:44

"A lot of fighting"? I don't know how your wife defines "fighting," but I must say that there's hardly any fighting in the second part. Though I agree that there's less of the love angle. The second half of the novel focuses on Carlisle and family's attempt to "gather" their friends (who are gifted with various powers) to stop The Volturi's army. Unfortunately, Bella's growing power (a psychic shield) spoils the fun. And so I wish the movie would change that part of the book. Either they create another vampire whose power can cancel Bella's, or they strengthen Jane's gift, making it impervious to the shield.
Diffan Posted - 26 Nov 2011 : 17:01:58
Just saw the movie with my wife last night, and I've about a firm a grasp of what's going on as anyone who has never read the books. As Seethyr says, 2/3 of the movie was drivel and 1/3 fantastic and even my wife agreed. I don't think I'm spoiling anything when I say there was too much musical interludes with the pre-wedding, dream, wedding, honeymoon, and all the stuff inbetween. I gave a great, big *sigh* and tapped my fingers when....once again Bella goes into her mid-day dreams about being with Edward and all lovey-dovey.

The 2nd half of the movie was much better and I do like the way in which the movie does Lycanthropy and I'm now waaay more interested in the wolves aspect of the series. My wife stated that the second part of the book (and thus Movie Part:2) will involve a lot more fighting and action and more on story-line than "Ohhh Edward, your beautiful" stuff we say for the first hour of the Movie, Part 1.
Dennis Posted - 23 Nov 2011 : 12:43:55

Haven't really watched it, myself----yet. Still haven't found the right man [and time] to watch it with. Probably next week.
Icelander Posted - 21 Nov 2011 : 22:55:22
quote:
Originally posted by Kilvan

I can't give any opinions, I haven't seen any of those movies or read any of the books.


I saw the first two... or three. Not sure which.

What primarily struck me was the utter lack of charisma by the two leads, the clumsy dialogue and the alternatively wooden and overblown acting. Unless the goal of the author was to cause the viewer to absolutely detest both the leading characters and to wish to consign them to some fate worse than death, I have to say that either the adaptation was handled hamfistedly or the source material appears to be artistically lacking.

There was also, I felt, an undercurrent of contempt for the audience. That is, I'm assuming that painstakingly spelling out the simplest things was a dig at the intelligence of the target audience. If it was accidental, I apologise. In that case, the screenwriter and/or the original author is apparently afflicted with a minor form of autism that renders the emotions of humans all but incomprehensible to them and they apparently believe that this is how it works for everyone else.
Kilvan Posted - 21 Nov 2011 : 22:43:28
There's some hilarious reviews all around the web for this movie. Most are just rants about how bad the movie is and why, some lasting as long as the movie itself (see Spoony experiment)! One of the points is that they seem to be way over their heads with themes and subjects way too serious for the kind of movie it's supposed to be (female-tween soft-porn). There seems to be some serious plot holes too, to say the least.

I can't give any opinions, I haven't seen any of those movies or read any of the books.
Seethyr Posted - 21 Nov 2011 : 22:05:21
I was uhhh forced to go see it this weekend by my wife...yeah, that's why I went. :-)

To be honest, I think the movie was 2/3 drivel and 1/3 fantastic. My wife liked 2/3 and thought 1/3 was nonsense (she loves love stories).

Anyway, so as to not spoil anything, I have to say this... sparkly vampires may not be the coolest thing in the world but the movie series CERTAINLY knows how to do werewolf. There were definitely some spine tingling moments in there.
Dennis Posted - 16 Nov 2011 : 03:40:35

The trailer of Breaking Dawn does not look so good... But then again, the real action starts at Book 3 of the novel by same title, where Carlisle and family scoured the entire world to gather as much allies/friends they could to thwarth the Volturi's nefarious plans.

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Now showing....

Who watched it?
Icelander Posted - 16 Nov 2011 : 02:03:33
quote:
Originally posted by Quale

It seems to me that in A Dance of Dragons GRRM copied Twilight with the Daenerys-Daario relationship, found it extremely annoying and sickening.


Eh...

Would you mind elaborating? I'm having some trouble visualising how this would work? Which is which? The dragon-riding queen and warlord, is she the generic high school girl? Or the sparkling eternal high school boy?

What's the similarity between Bella and Daario? Or Daario and Edward, for that matter?

I, uh, don't get it.

The only similarity I can see if that both relationships had overweening males who viewed their girlfriends as incapable of making decisions or leading an independent life. But since that happens in the real world too, I doubt it took reading Twilight for Martin to encounter the phenomenon.
GRYPHON Posted - 27 Aug 2011 : 16:32:35
I enjoyed the books and the movies...
Dennis Posted - 27 Aug 2011 : 11:24:37

Unless they base the story on the most recent Elminster and Drizzt series.
AdamBridger Posted - 27 Aug 2011 : 11:08:19
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis

quote:
Originally posted by AdamBridger

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


Elminster is pretty much alive and active in 4E. So I don't see any reason his role should be limited to cameos.


I thought a recurring cameo role would suite him well. He would turn up, help the heroes or give them some information and then be on his way with possibly a larger role in major plot points such as series finals.


As long as he's not stuck doing cameo roles and eventually gets to play a major one, then it's fine.



I think it would be difficult to cast him as a main character because the characters in the series would not be his only interest in the Realms. He would have to constantly teleport away to deal with other issues.
Dennis Posted - 26 Aug 2011 : 18:08:30
quote:
Originally posted by AdamBridger

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


Elminster is pretty much alive and active in 4E. So I don't see any reason his role should be limited to cameos.


I thought a recurring cameo role would suite him well. He would turn up, help the heroes or give them some information and then be on his way with possibly a larger role in major plot points such as series finals.


As long as he's not stuck doing cameo roles and eventually gets to play a major one, then it's fine.
AdamBridger Posted - 26 Aug 2011 : 16:32:21
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


Elminster is pretty much alive and active in 4E. So I don't see any reason his role should be limited to cameos.



I thought a recurring cameo role would suite him well. He would turn up, help the heroes or give them some information and then be on his way with possibly a larger role in major plot points such as series finals.
Dennis Posted - 25 Aug 2011 : 15:50:47

Elminster is pretty much alive and active in 4E. So I don't see any reason his role should be limited to cameos.
AdamBridger Posted - 25 Aug 2011 : 15:23:54
I suspect that a series would not be based on existing characters - cameos from existing characters for sure but the main characters of the series would be new. That way a series of companion novels to the series could be published, making money and hopefully drawing new fans to the Realms.

I agree that the setting would have to be 4th Edition as this is what the current marketing is spent on and what is around now. It would also be slightly wierd to introduce fans to a pre spellplague world and then have almost all the novels available to them as being post spellplague.

As for cameos in the series itself I think Elminster would definitely be a certainty. If a live action film/series I would love to see some of the Realms authors cast - even as people in the background (similar to Stan Lee in the Marvel films).
Dennis Posted - 25 Aug 2011 : 12:05:32
quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

It's most likely that a Realms TV show/film would be based in whatever version of the Realms is active at the time, as it would be in part a marketing tool to draw people to the setting. Also, I think there are some particularly cool visuals in the new Realms (though every era of the Realms has that).


Agreed. Newer fans would find it difficult to relate to a series that's based on characters or novel plots from books that had long been out of print. They can still utilize the old lore. But most likely it would be used more for flashbacks than a bigger bulk of the story.
The Sage Posted - 25 Aug 2011 : 02:18:44
quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

It's most likely that a Realms TV show/film would be based in whatever version of the Realms is active at the time, as it would be in part a marketing tool to draw people to the setting. Also, I think there are some particularly cool visuals in the new Realms (though every era of the Realms has that).
I'm inclined to agree.

A specific purpose of the 4e Realms RPG was to establish a more welcoming environment for new fans who may not have the benefit of access to the 20+ years of accumulated Realmslore.

New viewers unfamiliar with the setting for a potential FR television series would likely also benefit from a similar stance in terms of re-creating [to an extent] the "world" for the small screen.
Eltheron Posted - 25 Aug 2011 : 01:40:07
We still talking about sparkly go-go boys pretending to be vampires?

Yeah... thought so. Oy vey.



Erik Scott de Bie Posted - 25 Aug 2011 : 00:18:30
Ha ha. That was hilarious, Brace Cormaeril.

There is absolutely as much quality in the new Realms as the old Realms and vice versa. I would be equally thrilled with dozens of stories set at any particular time. For instance, a Knights of Myth Drannor story from the Grey Box era would be awesome, an ongoing Legend of Drizzt would be sweet (with the caveat about the visuals and overt race themes--which if done well are a strength, rather than a weakness), and a set of movies based on the Ed Greenwood Presents Waterdeep series would be extremely enjoyable.

(My own personal dream is to help write a Ghostwalker movie, but you know.)

It's most likely that a Realms TV show/film would be based in whatever version of the Realms is active at the time, as it would be in part a marketing tool to draw people to the setting. Also, I think there are some particularly cool visuals in the new Realms (though every era of the Realms has that).

And no sparkly vampires. Whew!

Cheers

Brin Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 23:10:00
Twilight Movie: Acting was terrible, enough said.

Twilight Books: Didn't notice anything wrong with the writing (but I am not one to notice). The characters killed it for me though. Bella falls in the most romantic love of the century aka she wants in his pants and Edward returns the feelings because he wants to murder her more than any other human alive every second of the day. "..wut?"

Forgotten Realms TV/Movie: I think that if we want new characters and stories we need to go with TV, which I would 100% watch. But personally I would rather see the books done WELL into the world, which I believe if we're going to follow actual books we need movies... lots of them. I've never read Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings, but both of them seemed to turn out spectacularly and I'd love to see something on the same level as them made by Forgotten Realms.
Dennis Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 23:08:32
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Saer Cormaeril

Only the Post-Plague Realms would do for a television series/movie. The Realms, Year of the Ageless One (1479 DR) forward, are superior to the previous, inferior incarnation, both in scope-of-lore and continuity.
It would be best for a television series/movie, to avoid so many of the poorer characters of the Realms, such as the Chosen, Knights of Myth Drannor, and the Nine. These characters are too ensconced in so much of the older, poorer, lore. Using new characters, like those developed by de Bie, Byers, Kemp and Salvatore, would make for a dynamic and 'consumable' product, with strong verisimilitude; as opposed to the 'old' Realms, which was so far divorced from reality that it usually came across as contrived at best, Mary/Gary wish fulfillment at worst.


Considering the number of fans that the Realms gathered in the 20 years before the Sellplague was inflicted on it, this opinion is obviously not universal.


Some pre-Spellplague characters are more than good enough to be part of a Realms movie or TV series. Though I suppose most of the post-SP ones are better.
Dennis Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 23:05:20
quote:
Originally posted by AdamBridger

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


Fans of Underworld and Kate Beckinsale have something to look forward to. Underworld: Awakening will be showing January next year.



Can't wait to see that - hadn't heard about it until now. Can't wait to see Kate Beckinsale in more tight leather costumes


I just hope Scott Speedman will still be around. I heard Kate say, “Where's Michael?” But I'm not sure if that alone is a guarantee that Scott's character is alive and active.
Wooly Rupert Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 23:02:29
quote:
Originally posted by Saer Cormaeril

Only the Post-Plague Realms would do for a television series/movie. The Realms, Year of the Ageless One (1479 DR) forward, are superior to the previous, inferior incarnation, both in scope-of-lore and continuity.
It would be best for a television series/movie, to avoid so many of the poorer characters of the Realms, such as the Chosen, Knights of Myth Drannor, and the Nine. These characters are too ensconced in so much of the older, poorer, lore. Using new characters, like those developed by de Bie, Byers, Kemp and Salvatore, would make for a dynamic and 'consumable' product, with strong verisimilitude; as opposed to the 'old' Realms, which was so far divorced from reality that it usually came across as contrived at best, Mary/Gary wish fulfillment at worst.


Considering the number of fans that the Realms gathered in the 20 years before the Sellplague was inflicted on it, this opinion is obviously not universal.
Saer Cormaeril Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 22:20:37
Only the Post-Plague Realms would do for a television series/movie. The Realms, Year of the Ageless One (1479 DR) forward, are superior to the previous, inferior incarnation, both in scope-of-lore and continuity.
It would be best for a television series/movie, to avoid so many of the poorer characters of the Realms, such as the Chosen, Knights of Myth Drannor, and the Nine. These characters are too ensconced in so much of the older, poorer, lore. Using new characters, like those developed by de Bie, Byers, Kemp and Salvatore, would make for a dynamic and 'consumable' product, with strong verisimilitude; as opposed to the 'old' Realms, which was so far divorced from reality that it usually came across as contrived at best, Mary/Gary wish fulfillment at worst.


quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

Wow we're wandered far from the topic at hand. Not that I'm complaining--just being responsible and noting that.

But on the subject of book to movie adaptations (which was sort of the OP), let's speculate that a FR TV series might be about a new bunch of character involved in their own epic quest. But the series does, of course, feature cameos from established characters. Why? Because the Realms is a world where a thousand stories are unfolding, all at the same time.

Which characters would cameo, in what context, and when would it happen in the series? Would these be totally made up or taken from a particular book? What moments from FR fiction jump out at you as important to capture in film?

Also, what era would one use for the TV series?

Cheers



sfdragon Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 21:51:32
if one was to do a tv adaptation of hte REalms, make a sotry wit ha bunch of unknowns and have some well knowns make an cameo, even if its just in name or in passing.



or if your lucky, having one of them being robbed by Fox at Twilight.
( its far to easy to remember her as that, that trying to remember how to spell her name)
Erik Scott de Bie Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 18:32:48
Wow we're wandered far from the topic at hand. Not that I'm complaining--just being responsible and noting that.

But on the subject of book to movie adaptations (which was sort of the OP), let's speculate that a FR TV series might be about a new bunch of character involved in their own epic quest. But the series does, of course, feature cameos from established characters. Why? Because the Realms is a world where a thousand stories are unfolding, all at the same time.

Which characters would cameo, in what context, and when would it happen in the series? Would these be totally made up or taken from a particular book? What moments from FR fiction jump out at you as important to capture in film?

Also, what era would one use for the TV series?

Cheers
AdamBridger Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 18:01:37
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


Fans of Underworld and Kate Beckinsale have something to look forward to. Underworld: Awakening will be showing January next year.



Can't wait to see that - hadn't heard about it until now. Can't wait to see Kate Beckinsale in more tight leather costumes
Firestorm Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 17:59:55
quote:
Originally posted by Eltheron

quote:
Originally posted by Lady Shadowflame
Kung Fu Panda is not at all what I'm thinking in terms of cartoons. I mean traditional cartoons.
Think closer to the Avatar: The Last Airbender series for what I mean.


Last Airbender really was excellent, I loved that. The cartoon, that is... the movie adaptation was sorta average.

I wouldn't mind an animated version of something Realmsy if they could do it to that level of quality. I'd probably prefer it to something with live actors.





Avatar:The Last airbender was an excellent cartoon for both kids and Adults.

The movie adaptation annoyed me to no end for one simple reason. M.Night obviously did not watch any of the cartoon whatsoever. Almost every character's name was mispronounced the whole movie. How the hell do you make an error like that? The whole theater was growling in annoyance every time they mentioned a name.

They called Aang "Awng", Sokka was called Sowka(Or something), and Uncle Iroh was called "Eerro".

Ugh. Might be a silly thing to nitpick, but made everyone grind their teeth.

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