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| Dracandos the Spellsage |
Posted - 19 Nov 2003 : 01:20:20
What does every1 know about this vile tome??? I have read certain excerpts from it but does any1 know where a more complete piece on it could be located? I would also like 2 know exactly what is it...i have gathered that it is basically the Book of the Dead, but what is the story behind it??? |
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| Dracandos the Spellsage |
Posted - 26 Dec 2003 : 22:12:19
ok sage thanks |
| The Sage |
Posted - 26 Dec 2003 : 08:07:29
No I haven't  . I've been having continual problems (and little time to work on them) with some library files for the new OS...these issues will need to be dealt with before I can use the new ICQ system online. I'll leave a quick note here, when I am about to send the file.
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| Dracandos the Spellsage |
Posted - 26 Dec 2003 : 04:27:16
have u got that ICQ thing workin Sage? if not fine, i was only curious |
| The Sage |
Posted - 20 Dec 2003 : 08:54:15
A very intriguing possibility Cardinal...
Maybe the nine tomes were a creation of Jazirian, forged after the Twin-Serpents 'falling-out', when the Outlands were brought into being bringing order and coherence to the structure of the Planes. Perhaps Jazirian could foresee the evil and violence that Asmodues would one day bring to the multiverse, and ordered the creation of these tomes to siphon off his power and bind him to Malsheem.
Only when these tomes are all brought together and their contents read aloud in the heart of Malsheem will Asmodues be able to lift himself from the Ninth Layer, and regain the power that was lost to him when he 'fell'...Of course, it would be foolish of one to think that Jazirian does not have celestial agents working for her that will prevent the finding of these tomes...and the fact that they could be hidden 'anywhere' would offer even less encouragement for those treasure-hunters keen enough to go out and look for them.
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| The Cardinal |
Posted - 20 Dec 2003 : 02:41:37
As much as I hate to bring this topic back in slight Track, I was wondering, What if these nine tomes while filled with power and great rite of magick, what if once collected are not really a collection but part of a key? I mean as far as we know the true form of Asmodeus has been somewhat trapped (if not drained of power and resting) for quite some time. What if these tomes are actually part of Asmodeus' power that were knocked off of him when he created the Nine Hells and by bringing them together may aid in bringing Asmodues back up to full life. Of course this is only based upon the Mythos that Asmodeus created the Nine Hells, and is not simply the Eldest inheritor of the Nine Hells (as the Book of Vie Darkness hints). Bookwyrm, this could also have some intresting impacts on your own Jack Archer, since two mythical Devils are named in the Great Unholy Book about once being Lords of a Layer in times before Asmodeus. Such is always on my mind, What would happen if the Embodiment of Evil of This world, also hitchhiked to Faerun? Whether to gain more souls for his war, or an attempt to obtain his own deityhood and return on more equal ground. That would make an intresting tale no?  |
| The Sage |
Posted - 19 Dec 2003 : 12:28:08
No Dracandos...the new ICQ system is simply something I 'cooked up' in my spare time that incorporates nicely into my own purely experimental OS. All the work is done on my end. I will be sending the file tomorrow...hopefully...
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| Dracandos the Spellsage |
Posted - 18 Dec 2003 : 22:29:31
sounds good Sage, will i have 2 dl this special form of icq? its no problem if i do, i was just curious |
| Bookwyrm |
Posted - 18 Dec 2003 : 08:13:48
Ah, but if you make a Spellcraft check (DC 666), you'll see that it's the curse of the everlasting workpile. No cure, I'm afraid. Seems the more you work at it, the more work you're given.  |
| The Sage |
Posted - 18 Dec 2003 : 08:10:34
I wish I did...
As it stands, I have an unnaturally tall 'To Do' pile sitting 28cm away from my left arm as I type this, which just refuses to alter in height. The problem is...almost the exact amount of things that get 'cleared' off from the pile are then quickly replaced by new things to do - so overall the height of this pile is never changed...
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| Bookwyrm |
Posted - 18 Dec 2003 : 07:47:21
 Where in the world do you get the time, Sage? You got time stop as an Innate Spell or something?  |
| The Sage |
Posted - 18 Dec 2003 : 06:54:35
Dracandos, in between (and behind) everything else I am doing at the moment...I am also working on a special form of ICQ. It should be ready by tomorrow. I'll contact you again then.
Actually Cardinal, I like to think that perhaps the Lords of the Nine Eight (other than Asmodeus), and the Dark Eight have absolutely no knowledge whatsoever of these nine tomes floating around the planes somewhere. It makes it all the more interesting, and frightening to think about whose hands they could end up in, and what those parties could do with the knowledge contained within...don't you think?.
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| Dracandos the Spellsage |
Posted - 18 Dec 2003 : 02:04:10
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Originally posted by Sage of Perth
I can send you the information I have on the 'Book of Cania' Dracandos. It is a small file which contains the various references to the actual tome, which have been made in both official and unofficial material.
i would gretaly appreciate that Sage of Perth, do u have aol im or icq so u can send it 2 me? how do u wanna work this?
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The 'Book of Cania' clearly contains knowledge, and demonstrates abilities that only an Epic PC could properly harness to be of any real use...I wonder whether this is the same for the 'Book of Dis'?.
i figure it would be because like u said about the Book of Cania, the Book of Dis demonstrates high lv abilities that seemingly only an epic lv character could use. |
| The Cardinal |
Posted - 17 Dec 2003 : 19:38:32
Perhaps The Book of Dis, The Book of Cania and anyother such tomes could be nothing more but more fuel and perhaps even recruitment items used in the War of Wars... The Blood War. The Blood war is large and is, of course, open to all levels of comabt, open and subtle.. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 17 Dec 2003 : 14:18:26
Actually, the only reason I wrote what I was thinking about the 'Book of Dis' was to encourage some healthly discussion and brainstorm some ideas on what exactly this tome is, and what type of knowledge it contains.
Don't just agree with me, set out and explore why... . You never know, something really interesting may come out of all our combined efforts...
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| Cult_Leader |
Posted - 17 Dec 2003 : 13:53:29
Just maybe. Anyway I doo think that is about right myself. Sage is the smart one. Im the foolish one. So I have to agree that he is probably right. |
| The Cardinal |
Posted - 17 Dec 2003 : 06:52:05
When Dealing with an extra planar item, Be it of Celestial or Fiendish origin, I doubt any BUT an epic character could make use of it.
Same principle stands behind Demonology and more broadly Theivery, As the Wise sage Balathustrius once said: "I've never met an old, stupid Thief."
Recently I've come to a a great and terrible truth (which will be explained more as my little quest plays out in the inn ). Suffice to say I am penning a rather intresting little tome for Game use that will definatly take all sides involved by storm, Celestial, Demon and Devil. Blessed or accursed that is unknown... (note though that it is born by my inability to... sit well with the idiocy of the fools within the book "The Trial of Cyric the Mad" a good book since it get my creative juices flowing.)... So many thoughts, so many dark deeds and hidden plots I have planned for my wretched little Character book.How Happy I am to finally Have good source material for the realms of Undeath and Fiends. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 17 Dec 2003 : 05:44:20
I can send you the information I have on the 'Book of Cania' Dracandos. It is a small file which contains the various references to the actual tome, which have been made in both official and unofficial material.
An extra thought -
From what I have read about the tome, the 'Book of Cania' clearly contains knowledge, and demonstrates abilities that only an Epic PC could properly harness to be of any real use...I wonder whether this is the same for the 'Book of Dis'?.
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| Dracandos the Spellsage |
Posted - 17 Dec 2003 : 03:40:16
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Originally posted by Sage of Perth
The 'Book of Dis' could in fact be (in terms of design and content) a Demon's guide to all things 'Disian' (sorry...), like the rumored 'Book of Cania' that is said to reside in one of the Fraternity of Order's many planar libraries. The 'Book of Cania' is believed to contain tales, and presumably accurate details about all the creatures that have ever been caught in the layer's infinite ice-plains, as well as, other more fiendish secrets about the layer and it's Lord.
Perhaps there is a tome of knowledge for every devilish layer, written by an ancient travelling Arcanoloth loremaster, and were eventually to be used by the Tanar'ri Lords to aid in their plans for conquering all of the Nine Hells of Baator???...There was just one problem preventing this plan from coming to fruition. All of the nine tomes were inexplicably lost over the intervening thousands of years since they had first been written. And now, most of the planars and primes who had, either found some of these tomes while adventuring or perhaps received them as heirlooms, keep them in their possession thinking them valuable trinkets and nothing more - truly ignorant of the fact of what these tomes really are, and what type of knowledge they contain. Further still, perhaps there are a number of primitive and (still) developing planar/material plane cultures, whose mythology and religious thinking are built up and shaped by the dark knowledge contained within these tomes which appeared in their lands when their 'world' was still young. These tomes would be revered like the Bible is on our world; priests and holy men would go out into the world spreading the word of the Lord of the Layer it describes - corrupting the hearts and minds of an entire people...Now that, is a truly frightening thought...
wow thats y ur a master of realmslore...thats very intriguing is there anyplace where more info can be found on this Book of Cania? uve gotten me very interested.
n cult leader, i think that post should have been posted in ur ranting shack... |
| Cult_Leader |
Posted - 16 Dec 2003 : 13:52:12
What i think it is is the Unholy Book of dising. Hehe. It is the book of Dis right? Dising? Get it? Funny funny haha? ..... Shut up your momma a fool. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 16 Dec 2003 : 06:20:25
Hmm...most interesting.
You could be right Cardinal.
Here's what I have been thinking -
The 'Book of Dis' could in fact be (in terms of design and content) a Demon's guide to all things 'Disian' (sorry...), like the rumored 'Book of Cania' that is said to reside in one of the Fraternity of Order's many planar libraries. The 'Book of Cania' is believed to contain tales, and presumably accurate details about all the creatures that have ever been caught in the layer's infinite ice-plains, as well as, other more fiendish secrets about the layer and it's Lord.
Perhaps there is a tome of knowledge for every devilish layer, written by an ancient travelling Arcanoloth loremaster, and were eventually to be used by the Tanar'ri Lords to aid in their plans for conquering all of the Nine Hells of Baator???...There was just one problem preventing this plan from coming to fruition. All of the nine tomes were inexplicably lost over the intervening thousands of years since they had first been written. And now, most of the planars and primes who had, either found some of these tomes while adventuring or perhaps received them as heirlooms, keep them in their possession thinking them valuable trinkets and nothing more - truly ignorant of the fact of what these tomes really are, and what type of knowledge they contain. Further still, perhaps there are a number of primitive and (still) developing planar/material plane cultures, whose mythology and religious thinking are built up and shaped by the dark knowledge contained within these tomes which appeared in their lands when their 'world' was still young. These tomes would be revered like the Bible is on our world; priests and holy men would go out into the world spreading the word of the Lord of the Layer it describes - corrupting the hearts and minds of an entire people...Now that, is a truly frightening thought...
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| Dracandos the Spellsage |
Posted - 16 Dec 2003 : 01:26:35
aye, hail and well met Cardinal Deimos, quite a fine haul indeed (wish i could get 2 that store...) anyway, i hadnt really thought of the nature of the Book of Dis' origin, although now that i have, it would more be an abyssal tome than a diabolic...well met friend! |
| The Cardinal |
Posted - 15 Dec 2003 : 19:13:21
MWA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!! After YEARS.... well ok MONTHS! of searching I finally hold in my wretched hands the one true Book!!! The Book of Vile Darkness is MINE AT LAST!!!! Now the armies of Light and life shall know Dispair! MWA HA HA HA HA HA!!!! HAPPY I AM, YES I AM! I also picked up the Slayer's Guide to undead (helping to fill out my collection of Necromancy a little more and all for the better) and Slayer's Guide to Dragons (one can never be too careful, so watch out Bookwyrm ) Still on for my favorite tomes is still Encylopedia Arcane: Demonology is a great read. With a few tiny story examples thrown in for fun (much like the Slayer's guide to the Undead) For an intresting read and some gaming materials I would recommend both, Demonology and Necromancy in the Encylopedia Arcane series... The Blood magic tome also finds it's place between the two (best for a character to know HOW to write up and infernal pact/contract if dealing with fiends).
Let's see, I also picked up Hordes of the Underdark, as well as ' The Tempt of Elimay' and 'Elimay in Hell'. One has to know one's foes before plotting against them . And finally I found the Trial of Cyric the Mad (alas I have not read it yet but will soon). As well as the movie 'Scourge of Worlds' (why is it that my choice alwasy lead to a premature end or My party's horrible destruction?). Yes, quite the haul for one trip but when you only go to a major center once every FIVE MONTHS, you tend to buy in bulk. Happy I will be for quite sometime. OH THE BOOK OF VILE DARKNESS IS FINALLY MINE!
*Dances and extatic little jig*
OH! and before I forget and before Alaundo Punishes me for being off topic, I will return to the topic by saying this. A recent discovery of mine (strictly reading the fragments littered in the SG:U) I would believe the Book of Dis Abyssal in nature and creation NOT Diabolic, as we have previously thought. The book itself contains phrases dedicated to the Worship of Orcus, the Demon Prince of the Undead. We've been searching the Wrong Pit of Evil!!!  The Book of Dis could be a Cultist book for the various cults of Orcus. ( Note to DMs VERY intresting plot hook there!!!). Well there it is. "The Search for the Book of Dis Continues..." |
| Dracandos the Spellsage |
Posted - 14 Dec 2003 : 16:33:48
aye, definitely go 4 the slayers guide to undead and the book of vile darkness...besides that, idk lots of the slayers guides r cool, ah how bout the encyclopedia arcane demonology??? |
| The Cardinal |
Posted - 12 Dec 2003 : 02:38:27
Some are recent and some aren't, All were bought from the same gaming store that is a a frigid and bloody 300km away from me. Such is that hazard when you live on the other side of the bloody spine of the world... Which reminds me, I'm making the Trek this weekend. Any recomendations by the wise scribes here on what I should add to my collection? Note the the Book of Vile Darkness (and now the The Slayer's Guide to the Undead) are at the top of the list. Any others I shoud look for, Reading or Game? |
| The Sage |
Posted - 09 Dec 2003 : 01:34:17
Mournblade said -
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If the Book of Dis involves the planes than I doubt it could be a specifically Greyhawk item.
Why do you say that?.
Oh, and (delayed) welcome back Mournblade...
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| Dracandos the Spellsage |
Posted - 09 Dec 2003 : 01:24:38
where did u get them, just curious? |
| The Cardinal |
Posted - 08 Dec 2003 : 22:19:25
Yes, it would seem that my collection is Lacking the slayers Guide to the Undead. My collection needs to grow as Necromancy and Demonology can go hand in hand. Just recently picked up Encyclopedia Arcana: Demonology, Necromancy, and Blood Magic, as well as the Encyclopedia of Demons and Devils Vol. I and II. So many tomes to find and so much to research... |
| Dracandos the Spellsage |
Posted - 08 Dec 2003 : 20:59:16
i really recomend u getting the Slayers Guide to Undead Cardinal Deimos, its a fantanstic tome...i really dont enjoy reading at all, but i can read that for hours at a time |
| Mournblade |
Posted - 07 Dec 2003 : 19:45:10
If the Book of Dis involves the planes than I doubt it could be a specifically Greyhawk item. |
| The Cardinal |
Posted - 28 Nov 2003 : 06:46:15
As said before it is in the Slayers Guide to the Undead, a tome which I unfortunatly lack...
None the less, some are thinking it is a strictly Greyhawk item... which might mean some planar Travel is in order...
HOWEVER!!! Planescape has been ruled out and some have mentioned that It may be a Thrid party suplement in 2ed...
Thus making it harder to find. It seems even the scribes working under the of Wizards of the Sword Coast () are befuddled... The Search for the Book of Dis continues... |
