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Dracandos the Spellsage
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 19 Nov 2003 : 01:20:20
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What does every1 know about this vile tome??? I have read certain excerpts from it but does any1 know where a more complete piece on it could be located? I would also like 2 know exactly what is it...i have gathered that it is basically the Book of the Dead, but what is the story behind it???
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Death strips away the masks men don to hide their true nature - The Slayer's Guide to Undead
The Lord of Murder shall perish, but in his doom he shall spawn a score of mortal progeny. Chaos shall be sown from their passage - So Sayeth the Wise Alaundo
Whenever magic one doth weave, 'tis never ever wise to deceive - Elminster
Strength and power come from knowing and controlling what others do not, but never reveal all that you know - Vecna
I have been known to cast a blue mage spell now and again - Dracandos the Spellsage |
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The Cardinal
Senior Scribe
Canada
647 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2003 : 07:08:55
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| This is news to me but somehow it sounds familiar.... I just can't put my finger on it... Perhaps one of the more learned sages can explain more on it. I too am curious... |
It has to be Certain, the Gods Hate Me. For whatever irrevokable Fate, I have been made the walking Joke. Either that, or Beshaba is overlyfond Of Me.
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Fibura Gauntlet
Seeker
United Kingdom
50 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2003 : 11:47:41
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What does every1 know about this vile tome???
Prequel to the Book of Dat? 
Seriously, the only thing that came to mind was "Fires of Dis" the Planescape adventure. I googled leafed through some old tomes and found this reference. Was it the Slayers Guide To the Undead where you saw it mentioned?
Off-topic as ever, where exactly is Dis? (that's one for you I think Sage of Perth  ) |
- Fibura Gauntlet
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Maecenus of Westgate
Learned Scribe
USA
111 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2003 : 19:06:44
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| I wonder if this tome has something to do with the Archdevil Dispater. I have heard of this tome mentioned somewhere and will attempt to relocate the source. |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
2080 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2003 : 21:27:58
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Originally posted by Fibura Gauntlet
Prequel to the Book of Dat?
Off-topic as ever, where exactly is Dis? (that's one for you I think Sage of Perth )
ROFLMAO
Dis is one of the old layers of the Abyss I think. Its not just FR\Planescape related, its from the old beliefs of the hells\planes. |
Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2003 : 21:56:54
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| Dis is the second layer of the Nine Hells. Dispater's stronghold is the Iron Tower, a massive spire at the center of the city. The city is composed entirely of burning iron buildings, which greatly pain those in contact with them. |
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Dracandos the Spellsage
Senior Scribe
466 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2003 : 02:08:53
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| Aye Arivia, that is the layer of Hell named Dis, but im talking about the actual Book of Dis. Aye Fibura Gauntlet, the only source of this tome i have found is in the Slayers Guide to Undead (best thing ive ever read by the way) but omg i loved the excerpts, i wish there were more of them...what i wish is 4 them 2 make a Encyclopedia Arcane: The Book of Dis!!! like the actual book filled with all the stuff the excerpts say itd have...id pay like $75 bucks 4 that!!! |
Death strips away the masks men don to hide their true nature - The Slayer's Guide to Undead
The Lord of Murder shall perish, but in his doom he shall spawn a score of mortal progeny. Chaos shall be sown from their passage - So Sayeth the Wise Alaundo
Whenever magic one doth weave, 'tis never ever wise to deceive - Elminster
Strength and power come from knowing and controlling what others do not, but never reveal all that you know - Vecna
I have been known to cast a blue mage spell now and again - Dracandos the Spellsage |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2003 : 05:31:57
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2003 : 08:07:22
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I'm at work at the moment and don't have access to my books, but I'll be sure to check for references on a 'Book of Dis'.
As for where exactly is Dis, Arivia answered that pretty well, so I won't talk about it any further.
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Maecenus of Westgate
Learned Scribe
USA
111 Posts |
Posted - 22 Nov 2003 : 00:03:30
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Bayne
Seeker
USA
86 Posts |
Posted - 22 Nov 2003 : 00:40:24
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Originally posted by Fibura Gauntlet
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What does every1 know about this vile tome???
Prequel to the Book of Dat?
Seriously, the only thing that came to mind was "Fires of Dis" the Planescape adventure. I googled leafed through some old tomes and found this reference. Was it the Slayers Guide To the Undead where you saw it mentioned?
Off-topic as ever, where exactly is Dis? (that's one for you I think Sage of Perth )
Wasn't Dis a city in hell? |
Nindyn vel'uss kyorl nind ratha thalra elyhinn dal lil alust |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 22 Nov 2003 : 05:35:29
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Originally posted by Sage of Perth
...As for where exactly is Dis, Arivia answered that pretty well, so I won't talk about it any further.
Sage not talking about something to do with the planes? What in the Abyss is going on here?  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 22 Nov 2003 : 08:29:33
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Sorry Bookwyrm, but at the time I was working on a particuarly long subroutine from a new software debugging program my company is working on . I simply could not spare the time to talk about my interests with the city of Dis.
Since I know have the time however, I can now talk about one of my favorite locations in the Nine Hells.
Dis is both the name of the second layer of Baator, and the city that sits at it's center. Sages and planar scholars constantly debate the actual distinction between the two, claiming that no city can be of 'infinite' length. There is some speculation and screed across the Planes, that there is no difference, and that the actual 'city' of Dis, is in fact the entire layer.
Looking from the outside, the city of Dis sits inside a great ring of mountains. Roads and pathways made of skulls meander across the layer all heading toward the city itself. The roads twist and turn among the great spurs of iron jutting from the earth that surround the city, getting thicker as one gets closer to the heart of the city.
Naturally, Dis is full of devils, but the city does have neighbourhoods friendly to humans and other planar races - the only problem is, there not the sanest bunch of bloods around  . These areas have been founded by wandering merchants, and often mimic well-known sections of famous cities from across the Material Planes. The two things most visitors never forget upon leaving Dis is that the food is bad, and the heat is terrible.
The most dominant feature of Dis, is the Lord of the Second, Dispater's 'Iron Tower'. The tower's form is constantly changing. One minute it's a slender spire shooting up towards Avernus, the next, it's a squat building of ponderous bulk swaying and rocking on four massive 'spider-like' appendages. The tower is said to be visible from every part of the city, no matter how far one is from it, and it always seems to be just beyond the next row of buildings before it.
There you go, a brief introduction to the city of Dis...
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 22 Nov 2003 : 08:40:56
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Ack! I shouldn't have said anything!
 Oh well. My own fault. And it was pretty interesting anyway. |
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Fibura Gauntlet
Seeker
United Kingdom
50 Posts |
Posted - 22 Nov 2003 : 16:16:48
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There you go, a brief introduction to the city of Dis...
*carefully copies down what the Sage of Perth has said* That's brillant Sage, I appreciate it. Thanks to Arivia and everyone else who chipped in too
I take it that we're fairly sure now that The Book Of Dis is only mentioned in the Slayers Guide To the Undead and wasn't Gary Gygax expanding on an old idea or anything? |
- Fibura Gauntlet
A scrib(bl)e on the margins of Candlekeep |
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Dracandos the Spellsage
Senior Scribe
466 Posts |
Posted - 22 Nov 2003 : 19:48:18
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the only thing i could find on the Book of Dis was in the Slayer's Guide as well, but i thought there might be something else. but if u guys cant find anything, there must not be! oh well, hope there will be something made of it at some point |
Death strips away the masks men don to hide their true nature - The Slayer's Guide to Undead
The Lord of Murder shall perish, but in his doom he shall spawn a score of mortal progeny. Chaos shall be sown from their passage - So Sayeth the Wise Alaundo
Whenever magic one doth weave, 'tis never ever wise to deceive - Elminster
Strength and power come from knowing and controlling what others do not, but never reveal all that you know - Vecna
I have been known to cast a blue mage spell now and again - Dracandos the Spellsage |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2003 : 05:22:27
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From everything I have looked through so far, I have found no solid information about a 'Book of Dis'. However I have yet to exhaust all my avenues of research. My friends in the online PS community have know something. I'll ask them today.
If I find out anything, I'll post it here.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2003 : 05:28:07
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Fibura Gauntlet said -
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*carefully copies down what the Sage of Perth has said* That's brillant Sage, I appreciate it.
Oh gees...
Anyway, you're welcome. And remember, I'll always here, ready to answer any questions you may have about the Planes (as long as it is Realms-related).
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Dracandos the Spellsage
Senior Scribe
466 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2003 : 15:54:25
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Death strips away the masks men don to hide their true nature - The Slayer's Guide to Undead
The Lord of Murder shall perish, but in his doom he shall spawn a score of mortal progeny. Chaos shall be sown from their passage - So Sayeth the Wise Alaundo
Whenever magic one doth weave, 'tis never ever wise to deceive - Elminster
Strength and power come from knowing and controlling what others do not, but never reveal all that you know - Vecna
I have been known to cast a blue mage spell now and again - Dracandos the Spellsage |
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Dracandos the Spellsage
Senior Scribe
466 Posts |
Posted - 24 Nov 2003 : 20:46:24
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Death strips away the masks men don to hide their true nature - The Slayer's Guide to Undead
The Lord of Murder shall perish, but in his doom he shall spawn a score of mortal progeny. Chaos shall be sown from their passage - So Sayeth the Wise Alaundo
Whenever magic one doth weave, 'tis never ever wise to deceive - Elminster
Strength and power come from knowing and controlling what others do not, but never reveal all that you know - Vecna
I have been known to cast a blue mage spell now and again - Dracandos the Spellsage |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2003 : 07:01:50
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Dracandos, the PS team found nothing. Sorry...
The only reference we did find was on the PSML Archive. But that was only detailing a 'Book of Dis' about an earlier Lord of the Second, and even then it was only mentioned in a fan-created adventure - there was no background material.
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Dracandos the Spellsage
Senior Scribe
466 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2003 : 21:13:45
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| 2 bad ...but really, thatnks 4 trying Sage of Perth |
Death strips away the masks men don to hide their true nature - The Slayer's Guide to Undead
The Lord of Murder shall perish, but in his doom he shall spawn a score of mortal progeny. Chaos shall be sown from their passage - So Sayeth the Wise Alaundo
Whenever magic one doth weave, 'tis never ever wise to deceive - Elminster
Strength and power come from knowing and controlling what others do not, but never reveal all that you know - Vecna
I have been known to cast a blue mage spell now and again - Dracandos the Spellsage |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 26 Nov 2003 : 07:11:25
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I still haven't given up finding some reference to what you are talking about Dracandos. I have a lot of PS material here (nearly as much as my FR material), both fan-created and absolutely everything published by TSR/WotC. I haven't checked through everything yet, just what I thought may contain a reference to, or detail the Book of Dis. The search continues...
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Edited by - The Sage on 26 Nov 2003 07:12:17 |
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The Cardinal
Senior Scribe
Canada
647 Posts |
Posted - 26 Nov 2003 : 07:24:31
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Perhaps, the book of Dis (ParaDis? ) is better left forgotten. If it is a type of Book of the Dead then, like the Necronomicon, it is better lost.
Looking at the Hells now, I have a feeling that the Book of Dis (where have I heard that before????  ) is not connected with the Lord of the Second... Dis.... Disapater, lord of second, I doubt but maybe... Dis...Discord? Discord is chaos... Chaos is anarchy... Hhmmm maybe... I'm going to sift throught some more chaotic planes... See what I can kick up.......
I must be mad, but I'm going to check the forum I loathe but the answer may be found...
*Checks armor carefully*
Wish me luck.. I go and hopefully will return...
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It has to be Certain, the Gods Hate Me. For whatever irrevokable Fate, I have been made the walking Joke. Either that, or Beshaba is overlyfond Of Me.
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Edited by - The Cardinal on 26 Nov 2003 07:30:53 |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 26 Nov 2003 : 07:28:20
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As I said previously, the only reference I discovered was in a fan-created module, where it detailed the former Lord of the Second, Calidar. This was before the time of Dispater. The tome also detailed a very different second layer of Baator, which lends credibility to the theory that the actual layer is influenced by the particular Lord ruling over it.
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The Cardinal
Senior Scribe
Canada
647 Posts |
Posted - 28 Nov 2003 : 06:46:15
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As said before it is in the Slayers Guide to the Undead, a tome which I unfortunatly lack...
None the less, some are thinking it is a strictly Greyhawk item... which might mean some planar Travel is in order...
HOWEVER!!! Planescape has been ruled out and some have mentioned that It may be a Thrid party suplement in 2ed...
Thus making it harder to find. It seems even the scribes working under the of Wizards of the Sword Coast () are befuddled... The Search for the Book of Dis continues... |
It has to be Certain, the Gods Hate Me. For whatever irrevokable Fate, I have been made the walking Joke. Either that, or Beshaba is overlyfond Of Me.
-Unknown |
Edited by - The Cardinal on 28 Nov 2003 06:47:09 |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 07 Dec 2003 : 19:45:10
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| If the Book of Dis involves the planes than I doubt it could be a specifically Greyhawk item. |
A wizard is Never late Frodo Baggins. Nor is he Early. A wizard arrives precisely when he means to... |
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Dracandos the Spellsage
Senior Scribe
466 Posts |
Posted - 08 Dec 2003 : 20:59:16
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| i really recomend u getting the Slayers Guide to Undead Cardinal Deimos, its a fantanstic tome...i really dont enjoy reading at all, but i can read that for hours at a time |
Death strips away the masks men don to hide their true nature - The Slayer's Guide to Undead
The Lord of Murder shall perish, but in his doom he shall spawn a score of mortal progeny. Chaos shall be sown from their passage - So Sayeth the Wise Alaundo
Whenever magic one doth weave, 'tis never ever wise to deceive - Elminster
Strength and power come from knowing and controlling what others do not, but never reveal all that you know - Vecna
I have been known to cast a blue mage spell now and again - Dracandos the Spellsage |
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The Cardinal
Senior Scribe
Canada
647 Posts |
Posted - 08 Dec 2003 : 22:19:25
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Yes, it would seem that my collection is Lacking the slayers Guide to the Undead. My collection needs to grow as Necromancy and Demonology can go hand in hand. Just recently picked up Encyclopedia Arcana: Demonology, Necromancy, and Blood Magic, as well as the Encyclopedia of Demons and Devils Vol. I and II. So many tomes to find and so much to research... |
It has to be Certain, the Gods Hate Me. For whatever irrevokable Fate, I have been made the walking Joke. Either that, or Beshaba is overlyfond Of Me.
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Dracandos the Spellsage
Senior Scribe
466 Posts |
Posted - 09 Dec 2003 : 01:24:38
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| where did u get them, just curious? |
Death strips away the masks men don to hide their true nature - The Slayer's Guide to Undead
The Lord of Murder shall perish, but in his doom he shall spawn a score of mortal progeny. Chaos shall be sown from their passage - So Sayeth the Wise Alaundo
Whenever magic one doth weave, 'tis never ever wise to deceive - Elminster
Strength and power come from knowing and controlling what others do not, but never reveal all that you know - Vecna
I have been known to cast a blue mage spell now and again - Dracandos the Spellsage |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 09 Dec 2003 : 01:34:17
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Mournblade said -
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If the Book of Dis involves the planes than I doubt it could be a specifically Greyhawk item.
Why do you say that?.
Oh, and (delayed) welcome back Mournblade...
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