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| jordanz |
Posted - 23 Feb 2011 : 04:54:02
Are there undead that rank above liches? |
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| Aryalómë |
Posted - 08 Mar 2011 : 00:42:18
That was utter bs when Kiaransalee "died". She should have lived as well as Vhaeraun and Eillistraee. But the Vengeful Banshee is the nest deity of undead am vengece (ahe eventually ascended to lesser deity status). She is one of my favorite deities too, so you can see why I was quite poed to learn of her "death". May The Revenancer vanquish Lolth!!! |
| Alisttair |
Posted - 07 Mar 2011 : 14:00:44
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Originally posted by Alisttair
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Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus
I've always pronounced it as rhyming with "rich", and that's how most people I've heard pronounce it. Apparently the word, originally being another word for corpse, was pronounced "like"...
Rhyming with "rich" is how I always pronounced it. I've heard it pronounced as "lick" a few times, haven't heard of it pronounced "like" till now.
I watched D&D Wrath of the Dragon God movie over the weekend, and they met a Lich, and the actors pronounced it rhyming with "rich", so I'm going with that  |
| Alisttair |
Posted - 07 Mar 2011 : 13:56:16
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Synthalus
Living Wall full of atropals.
my god! what in the realms could get past such a thing as this?
Lathander and Kelemvor.
If you talk pre-Dawn Cataclysm or post-spellplague, you may add Amaunator to that list (although technically Lathander is Amaunator but meh - oh and Jergal cause he's more than just a bookeeper [:p[) |
| Dennis |
Posted - 06 Mar 2011 : 01:01:38
Orcus was defeated by a demi-goddess, Kiaransalee, who was vanquished by only a 15th level wizard, Q’arlynd Melarn. I don't know which of the two is more pathetic. |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 05 Mar 2011 : 15:19:58
Orcus is the undead demon god of rollercoasters. She must've caught him on a bad day. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 05 Mar 2011 : 05:02:06
I guess so. Orcus was defeated by a mere demi-goddess. Kinda pathetic, really. |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 05 Mar 2011 : 03:47:31
Isn't Vecna more powerful than Orcus? |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 05 Mar 2011 : 03:45:36
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Originally posted by Synthalus
Living Wall full of atropals.
my god! what in the realms could get past such a thing as this?
Lathander and Kelemvor. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 05 Mar 2011 : 02:55:48
Larloch = The Lich Supreme. He may not be an undead god like Orcus, but I'm almost sure he's done more innovations in the process of achieving undeath than the undead god himself. |
| coach |
Posted - 05 Mar 2011 : 02:46:59
Orcus - Undead god
not sure if it can get higher than that unless Ao is undead |
| Alisttair |
Posted - 02 Mar 2011 : 12:03:21
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Originally posted by Synthalus
touche alisttair..........
Yeah and I don't mean Patrick Swayze
But a wall, they could rule the room they are in, but not much other than that  |
| Synthalus |
Posted - 02 Mar 2011 : 11:53:39
touche alisttair.......... |
| Alisttair |
Posted - 02 Mar 2011 : 11:45:28
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Originally posted by Synthalus
Living Wall full of atropals.
my god! what in the realms could get past such a thing as this?
A ghost...ooooooo  |
| Synthalus |
Posted - 01 Mar 2011 : 20:24:10
Living Wall full of atropals.
my god! what in the realms could get past such a thing as this? |
| Alisttair |
Posted - 01 Mar 2011 : 17:48:21
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Originally posted by Kno
Living Wall full of atropals
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Living Walls are sick  |
| Kno |
Posted - 01 Mar 2011 : 17:11:17
Living Wall full of atropals
/ |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 12:27:36
Nor all those female Banshee variants Elminster is fond of conversing with ... |
| Brimstone |
Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 10:51:02
Lets not forget the Banelich... |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 06:42:28
Xingax is not only an atropal but also an aborted demigod. I think his powers (in the novels) are beyond those of a typical atropal scion, though that's debatable. His quasi-demipower parentage seems to just be NPC-background story fluff, we aren't even told the identity (or gender) of his divine parent.
Strictly speaking I don't think undeath applies to gods. To be undead you must first be dead and gods do not die forever. Undead lichery or ghostiness or whatever is really only a cosmetic manifestation imposed by the god (or the god's followers), though it might offer or explain various "undead" abilities and effects. |
| Therise |
Posted - 25 Feb 2011 : 02:22:08
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Originally posted by jordanz
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Originally posted by Therise
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Originally posted by Kilvan
The full statistics and description for Antropals can be found in the Epic Level Handbook 3.0 p.159. Like anything in that book, it is quite powerful.
I'd never heard of this (even though I own the book), so I had to go look it up.
And good lord the artwork for it... one of the most disgusting monsters I've ever seen.
Edit: Ah, I just realized, this atropal, or atropal scion anyway, is what the undead monster-baby-thing in The Haunted Lands series was supposed to be. Nasty.
Nasty yes. Epic level?? Xingag seemed far from it.
Actually, I never finished the first book in the trilogy, so I'm not sure how it ended. I think the one in the book was supposed to be the weaker version, though: the atropal scion. It was carried around by another undead, but had that same fetal undead look as the more epic atropal.
Seriously, just... eewww.
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| jordanz |
Posted - 25 Feb 2011 : 02:06:05
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Originally posted by Therise
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Originally posted by Kilvan
The full statistics and description for Antropals can be found in the Epic Level Handbook 3.0 p.159. Like anything in that book, it is quite powerful.
I'd never heard of this (even though I own the book), so I had to go look it up.
And good lord the artwork for it... one of the most disgusting monsters I've ever seen.
Edit: Ah, I just realized, this atropal, or atropal scion anyway, is what the undead monster-baby-thing in The Haunted Lands series was supposed to be. Nasty.
Nasty yes. Epic level?? Xingag seemed far from it. |
| Therise |
Posted - 24 Feb 2011 : 19:15:59
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Originally posted by Kilvan
The full statistics and description for Antropals can be found in the Epic Level Handbook 3.0 p.159. Like anything in that book, it is quite powerful.
I'd never heard of this (even though I own the book), so I had to go look it up.
And good lord the artwork for it... one of the most disgusting monsters I've ever seen.
Edit: Ah, I just realized, this atropal, or atropal scion anyway, is what the undead monster-baby-thing in The Haunted Lands series was supposed to be. Nasty.
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| Chosen of Asmodeus |
Posted - 24 Feb 2011 : 11:40:51
Well, when you have something like atropals, which are undead stillborn gods, it makes you wonder if undeath really can apply to gods or not. There's a cult of Orcus in Points of Light, that I use in my realms, that wants to kill the goddess of death and raise her as an undead, putting her under Orcus' domain. The plan doesn't have full support, a lot of people point to Vecna as a case of an undead god being outside of Orcus' control. |
| Quale |
Posted - 24 Feb 2011 : 10:12:18
Orcus hates the undead, they are only tools to him, he's not undead.
Only for a short time he was a shadow quasigod.
Things like nightshades and deathbringers have a higher CR, still lich feels more threatening.
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Markustay
@Quale - What? No SJ Liches?
Hmmm, I see the word Spelljammer in his post...
And I believe that the archlich was originally intro'ed in a Spelljammer supplement -- Lost Ships, written by our own Ed.
The master lich from SJ is cool, there's the firelich of phlogiston but he's also 10,000 xp. |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 24 Feb 2011 : 05:19:02
Undeath in the normal context assumes a previous state of living as a mortal. It doesn't really apply to powers, deities, demon princes, and other beings who are sustained by faith. Undead status might be an historical, symbolic, or preferential manifestation; it's basically the same as any other avatar/body racial choice. Of course, the undead tend to consume the living, so being a lich-demon/god does cultivate a certain reputation. |
| Chosen of Asmodeus |
Posted - 24 Feb 2011 : 04:22:31
I used to not like Orcus very much, but I've warmed up to the 4e version. Maybe because of the awesome artwork that goes with him, or the discription of one of his cults I read in Dragon.
As for the question; Orcus may not actually be undead so much as he looks like he's undead. Hard to tell with demons. Vecna, a god-lich, might count, but he's not an order onto himself, just an extremely powerful version of a less powerful order. Same with Atropus, really, who's probably more powerful than either of them. |
| Alystra Illianniis |
Posted - 23 Feb 2011 : 23:41:18
You mean Orcus? Yeah, never cared much for uder-demons myself, either. |
| Zanan |
Posted - 23 Feb 2011 : 23:40:00
Well, there are a few undead deities who top the list, one would suspect. And that demon lord thing the designers of D&D 4E loved oh so much that they code-named that edition after him/it. Utter bampottery, but what can you do? |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 23 Feb 2011 : 23:12:20
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Originally posted by Markustay
@Quale - What? No SJ Liches?
Hmmm, I see the word Spelljammer in his post...
And I believe that the archlich was originally intro'ed in a Spelljammer supplement -- Lost Ships, written by our own Ed. |
| Alystra Illianniis |
Posted - 23 Feb 2011 : 23:08:12
MT- True enough, although I could see an alhoon that (unknowingly, of course) eats a vampire's brain turning vampiric. But that would go on the idea that the vampirism is in the bodily fluids. "Drink(eat) me and live forever...." Perhaps the vampire was using the "mimic mortal" spell. Or "mask undeath", or one of the other varient spells for that purpose. |
