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| Alisttair |
Posted - 01 Feb 2011 : 15:33:08
In an effort to minimize fanatical worship of Karsus bleeding into various threads and potentially hijacking them (for the clergy is ever growing), I am creating this thread as a place of worship for all true believers to come and pay homage to the one true deity whose divine resurrection is nigh upon us! Come one! Come all!  |
| 30 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| Dennis |
Posted - 01 Mar 2011 : 02:14:01
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Originally posted by Alisttair
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Alisttair
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Originally posted by Arik
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W C Fields
If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no point in being a damn fool about it.
So I guess as per internet lingo, Karsus = Epic Fail
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or so he would have you all believe. He was in fact succesful, its simply a millenia of waiting for the plan to come to full fruition. Hence, Epic WIN!!
So no need to try again, cause its still the same old plan in motion 
Well, he was supposedly trying to save Netheril... and he destroyed it. Pretty much a definition of Epic Fail.
But it will come back in his new vision, stronger than ever. We will have an East Netheril vs a West Netheril, with the east capital of Karsus and the west of Shade. It'll be like North and South Korea, but with magic, shadows and stuff.
And to save them he needed to kill them. Tough love!
No need for splitting Netheril into two. I'm almost sure that upon Karsus's return, Telamont would defer to his former master's wishes. |
| Alisttair |
Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 18:38:59
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Alisttair
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Originally posted by Arik
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W C Fields
If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no point in being a damn fool about it.
So I guess as per internet lingo, Karsus = Epic Fail
....
or so he would have you all believe. He was in fact succesful, its simply a millenia of waiting for the plan to come to full fruition. Hence, Epic WIN!!
So no need to try again, cause its still the same old plan in motion
Well, he was supposedly trying to save Netheril... and he destroyed it. Pretty much a definition of Epic Fail.
But it will come back in his new vision, stronger than ever. We will have an East Netheril vs a West Netheril, with the east capital of Karsus and the west of Shade. It'll be like North and South Korea, but with magic, shadows and stuff.
And to save them he needed to kill them. Tough love! |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 18:19:56
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Originally posted by Alisttair
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Originally posted by Arik
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W C Fields
If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no point in being a damn fool about it.
So I guess as per internet lingo, Karsus = Epic Fail
....
or so he would have you all believe. He was in fact succesful, its simply a millenia of waiting for the plan to come to full fruition. Hence, Epic WIN!!
So no need to try again, cause its still the same old plan in motion
Well, he was supposedly trying to save Netheril... and he destroyed it. Pretty much a definition of Epic Fail. |
| Alisttair |
Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 13:36:31
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Originally posted by Arik
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W C Fields
If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no point in being a damn fool about it.
So I guess as per internet lingo, Karsus = Epic Fail
....
or so he would have you all believe. He was in fact succesful, its simply a millenia of waiting for the plan to come to full fruition. Hence, Epic WIN!!
So no need to try again, cause its still the same old plan in motion |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 13:11:31
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W C Fields
If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no point in being a damn fool about it.
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| Alisttair |
Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 12:59:22
A fool he is not. He makes many think of him as such, which is brilliant!! |
| Dennis |
Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 08:40:13
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Dennis
Upon Karsus's reemergence, his title should be changed to Arcanist Supreme. It's simple and sort of unoriginal. But it speaks volumes of what he was and always will be.
A fool?
Nah. That's Manshoon. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 08:35:56
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Originally posted by Arik
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Dennisquote:
Reading it, [Telamont] saw something he would have thought impossible: notes on the creation of a mythallar that drew not from the Weave but from the spaces between it. From the Shadow Weave.
Where is this quoted from?
Trial by Ordeal by Lisa Smedman. It's in the anthology Realms of Shadow. |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 06:46:27
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Dennisquote:
Reading it, [Telamont] saw something he would have thought impossible: notes on the creation of a mythallar that drew not from the Weave but from the spaces between it. From the Shadow Weave.
Where is this quoted from? |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 27 Feb 2011 : 15:48:48
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Originally posted by Dennis
Upon Karsus's reemergence, his title should be changed to Arcanist Supreme. It's simple and sort of unoriginal. But it speaks volumes of what he was and always will be.
A fool? |
| Dennis |
Posted - 27 Feb 2011 : 07:29:23
Upon Karsus's reemergence, his title should be changed to Arcanist Supreme. It's simple and sort of unoriginal. But it speaks volumes of what he was and always will be. |
| Alisttair |
Posted - 23 Feb 2011 : 11:51:42
The WAR thread is making me consider simulating a world takeover through war with Pre-Deity Karsus and seeing just how long he would last. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 23 Feb 2011 : 06:51:51
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Originally posted by sleyvas
Actually, the original source of information on Halruaa (a mailer that came out after the original grey boxed set), hinted that Halruaan ex-patriates helped form Thay. Thus, to a small degree, they have a bit of Netherese influence. This became more canon with the last Shining South stuff if you look at the history line.
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Originally posted by Dennis
Arik, on your OT:
No, there's no mention of it anywhere (as far as I know) that the founders of Thay are Netherese. In Dreams of the Red Wizards, they are only described as a sect who declared its freedom from the godkings of Mulhorand.
What source is that? |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 20 Feb 2011 : 19:37:24
I believe it was truly just one of his simulacrums.
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Originally posted by Dennis
Really, Wizard 15? The Church of Karsus decries such deliberate misrepresentation!
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| sleyvas |
Posted - 20 Feb 2011 : 19:36:14
Actually, the original source of information on Halruaa (a mailer that came out after the original grey boxed set), hinted that Halruaan ex-patriates helped form Thay. Thus, to a small degree, they have a bit of Netherese influence. This became more canon with the last Shining South stuff if you look at the history line.
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Originally posted by Dennis
Arik, on your OT:
No, there's no mention of it anywhere (as far as I know) that the founders of Thay are Netherese. In Dreams of the Red Wizards, they are only described as a sect who declared its freedom from the godkings of Mulhorand.
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| sleyvas |
Posted - 20 Feb 2011 : 19:32:17
To a degree.... yes. It was founded with the aid of the red wizards who were cast out of Halruaa (of which Velsharoon was one), along with internal Mulan resources. The question becomes what happened to those Halruaan allies after the countries forming and before the final government was formed up (personally, I believe they were turned upon and cast out by their Mulan allies).
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Originally posted by Arik
Thurzil sounds tharchiozulkirish. Any connection? (OT: Was Thay founded or shaped by Netherese survivors?)
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| Dennis |
Posted - 20 Feb 2011 : 06:48:43
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Dennis
Karsus must have thought of so many possible factors that would drag his plan to shambles. But like other genuis, he could not have seen all possibilities. He expected Mystryl to fight, not kill herself.
I don't think he even thought it thru that far.
He did calculate his moves, but certainly not enough. I think had he used the heavy magic only in fighting the phaerimm to eradicate them all, he would have been more successful, and the Netheril now would have been as it was before. Using such powerful magic would have destroyed the entire Low Netheril, along with the phaerimm. But at the least the enclaves would have survived. It's mainly his vanity and ambitiousness that proved his undoing. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 20 Feb 2011 : 06:27:19
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Quale
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Originally posted by Tasker Daze
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Originally posted by Dennis
Oops, my mistake. Found what you meant.
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His realization was that an ordinary mythallar was absolutely enormous-it had to be, because of the material that went into its construction: long strands of the Weave itself-but a mythallar made of shadowstuff, made from the spaces between the Weave didn't need to be so large. It could be compressed, tiny. Small enough to place inside a shadow double.
This still makes me wonder how exactly did Shade's mythallar survive the Spellplague.
It was too kewl to be affected by logic. 
The same reason all other artifacts and mythals survived. It's just the sentience of the Weave that's gone, the natural processes remain.
Ah, right. Mortal magic all went awry, unless there was a lot of it and it wasn't Halruaa.
The Weave and the Shadow Weave are just two of the many sources of magic. If the Sojourner managed to combine the energies from those two, I say Telamont [who is almost as old and as cunning as Vosthym, or more] must have devised ways to draw energies from several planes, most especially from Shadowfell, in preparation for something so dire as the shattering of the SW. He had learned long ago that though he could depend on Shar, he couldn't do the same at all times, as the dark goddess is fickle and often hides her secrets, and like other gods, is susceptible to destruction. Heh, her goal in the Twilight War didn't even match his. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 16:24:09
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Originally posted by Quale
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Originally posted by Tasker Daze
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Originally posted by Dennis
Oops, my mistake. Found what you meant.
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His realization was that an ordinary mythallar was absolutely enormous-it had to be, because of the material that went into its construction: long strands of the Weave itself-but a mythallar made of shadowstuff, made from the spaces between the Weave didn't need to be so large. It could be compressed, tiny. Small enough to place inside a shadow double.
This still makes me wonder how exactly did Shade's mythallar survive the Spellplague.
It was too kewl to be affected by logic.
The same reason all other artifacts and mythals survived. It's just the sentience of the Weave that's gone, the natural processes remain.
Ah, right. Mortal magic all went awry, unless there was a lot of it and it wasn't Halruaa. |
| Quale |
Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 15:54:00
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Originally posted by Tasker Daze
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Originally posted by Dennis
Oops, my mistake. Found what you meant.
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His realization was that an ordinary mythallar was absolutely enormous-it had to be, because of the material that went into its construction: long strands of the Weave itself-but a mythallar made of shadowstuff, made from the spaces between the Weave didn't need to be so large. It could be compressed, tiny. Small enough to place inside a shadow double.
This still makes me wonder how exactly did Shade's mythallar survive the Spellplague.
It was too kewl to be affected by logic.
The same reason all other artifacts and mythals survived. It's just the sentience of the Weave that's gone, the natural processes remain. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 14:35:14
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Originally posted by Dennis
Karsus must have thought of so many possible factors that would drag his plan to shambles. But like other genuis, he could not have seen all possibilities. He expected Mystryl to fight, not kill herself.
I don't think he even thought it thru that far. |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 09:42:47
lol, we're talking about the same guy who had to toss his big lump of radioactive heavy magic out a window before it blew up his entire city? |
| Dennis |
Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 09:07:51
Karsus must have thought of so many possible factors that would drag his plan to shambles. But like other genuis, he could not have seen all possibilities. He expected Mystryl to fight, not kill herself. |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 08:51:32
Most arcanists. Not Karsus. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 08:03:16
I wasn't referring to divination. He had already acknowledged that he's not good in that art. That's why he forced Brennus to learn and master it. What I meant was a kind of foresight that goes with wisdom and cunning. When one invents something, he normally thinks of the possibilities of its destruction, and so seeks ways to stunt such possibilities. Which is, I believe, what arcanists also do. |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 07:54:20
Telamont was not reputed to possess any extraordinary skills of divination. If he had any foreknowledge of upcoming disasters it would have likely come from another source, perhaps through some agency of Shar. I think it's more likely that his mythallar remained functional through luck; the particular quirks behind its construction/operation and environment (demiplane of shadow) allowed it to continue functioning.
As I suggested above, it might not be the same mythallar that left Faerūn. It's possible that it failed immediately (or was damaged) upon entry to the shadow plane and had to be replaced with a better model. We don't know a lot about what happened to Thultanthar immediately after it left beyond some references that the citizens struggled to survive and suffered a lot of hardships and problems. Perhaps it was cast adrift in shadow (couldn't fall down) for a while, perhaps it was in fact almost entirely destroyed and rebuilt.
I personally like the self-powered Mythal-Weave and "magical battery" ideas, either one could conveniently explain how the mythallar continued to operate uninterrupted through planar transitions and Weave-collapse events. Telamont's magic (like Larloch's) is probably advanced enough that he's figured out how to circumvent his Weave dependencies. Remember that Telamont is still an arrogant god-hating Netherese bastard, he openly mocks divinely-powered Mephistopheles and barely tolerates Shar's influence in his enclave as an inconvenient necessity. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 07:34:51
The fact that Telamont was the one who first created a shadow mythallar may mean that upon or prior to creating it, he had conceived of the possibility of the Weave's and the Shadow Weave's collapse that would have consequently destroyed it, and brought his city down with it; and so sought and found ways to keep his mythallar active despite the possible shattering of the said two sources of magic. Who knows, he might have built a conduit from the Shadowfell to the Prime, which generates energies from the said plane to fuel his mythallar. |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 06:39:41
Telamont was able to keep his mythallar functioning after the Fall (death of Mystryl). On a plane without the Weave to fuel the mythallar. Alternately, perhaps the Weave was present there, in which case the mythallar survived the ToT (death of Mystra 1.0). SP (death of Mystra 2.0) would just be another speed bump.
I speculate that Telamont's mythallar is not standard issue; he's probably engineered some of his planar mechanics into its design. It might even be fabricated from (or modified with) strange extraplanar essence or shadowstuff.
Telamont was basically one of Netheril's most brilliant arcanists, plus he's had a few dozen centuries to refine his magics. It's conceivable that his mythallar is far superior to those of Netheril. It's also possible that it's not the same mythallar that left the Realms. It could even generate its own localized Mythal-Weave capable of operating independently of Mystra's (or Shar's) failures. It could be equipped with "batteries" which can store a few months of Weave magic for times of emergency and transition. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 06:20:33
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Originally posted by Arik
Shar's blessing?
Shar herself took 'damage' during the SP. I'd like to think Telamont has some 'hidden' pool of min-SW. |
| Synthalus |
Posted - 18 Feb 2011 : 21:57:15
good question!
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