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| Dalor Darden |
Posted - 08 Oct 2010 : 04:05:15
The Elder Drow scroll got me interested in something.
Ok...so we know there are Drow on MANY worlds...and each has its own story as to WHY they are and HOW they got there...all including the Elven Gods as far as I can tell...
But what if the Drow are actually a much older curse than even the Elven Gods?
We know the elves once belonged to the "realm of faerie" so to speak...well, what if Drow have always been as long as there have been Seelie and Unseelie?
Does anyone have any thoughts? My head is still brewing this up... |
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| Alystra Illianniis |
Posted - 13 Jan 2011 : 08:30:08
*raises hand* Only if my friends Paul and Art can join!! |
| The Sage |
Posted - 13 Jan 2011 : 06:51:23
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Ah. That's the one! Thanks again, Sage. You really deserve a medal for having such a great memory of where everything is stashed around here.
That, or just convenient SageRoutines worked through SageBrowser which instantly locate such references [though, only after I've created special files for such info]. 
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For your sense of time, on the other hand? Not so much.... LOL!! (Then again ,you were the one who said sage and thyme don't mix :P Which is odd, because I'm quite fond of mixing them in my cooking....)
It's too bad I don't have any pals named Parsley and Rosemary. We could get a real album going*.  
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* -- Wonders who will pick up on the reference... |
| Alystra Illianniis |
Posted - 13 Jan 2011 : 06:35:04
Ah. That's the one! Thanks again, Sage. You really deserve a medal for having such a great memory of where everything is stashed around here. For your sense of time, on the other hand? Not so much.... LOL!! (Then again ,you were the one who said sage and thyme don't mix :P Which is odd, because I'm quite fond of mixing them in my cooking....) |
| The Sage |
Posted - 13 Jan 2011 : 00:09:32
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
It was stated in one of Ed's old replies, I think, that Lurue was one of the first FR gods, so the unicorn deity probably pre-dates those two. That would likely mean that they are just lesser aspects of Lurue, at least according to the (new) lore. Mielikki was also a Finnish goddess, so is probably an interloper, and Silvanus is Celtic, though I think that panthon was one of the first in the FR. But I was referring more to the fact that Lurue is both nature AND magic. (Also stated in Ed's reply on the subject. Wooly or Sage would know where to find it....)
'Tis here, from Ed, March 20th '04:-
"Originally, Lurue WAS magic—before Julia Martin added the name “Weave” to my GenCon explanations of ‘the great web of magic that’s everywhere in Toril, binds Toril together, and IS Toril,’ Lurue was the embodiment of the Weave. As such, she could teleport without error or limit, through all barriers and spells, was immune to all known magical [and psionic] effects, could raise dead, heal, regenerate and restore with the touch of her horn—and also spew silver fire from it—and so on. Her very proximity dispels illusions and curses, purifies and neutralizes poisons and taints, and purges diseases. And on and on. [To the usual chorus of “Look, yet another all-powerful Greenwood munchkin!” I reply: Yes. Of course. This is THE all-powerful goddess, and she’s also whimsical. We can’t understand why she does what she does, so she can’t be controlled, or act like any sort of tyrannical munchkin, any more than a mountain range or an ocean can be.] She tended to be as curious as a newborn babe, utterly fearless, and kind to injured creatures. And yes, I tucked in the “patron of virgins, but can also make barren wombs bear” folklore, too. Only virgins could ride her, and those who did got that silver hair the Chosen who are Mystra’s daughters all share, and ‘wild talent’ innate magical abilities, and were marked for special tasks and achievements all their lives.
The TSR designers quite rightly (given the humanocentric core of that version of AD&D, with its level and power limits on non-humans) wanted human gods to be front and center and of the greatest power and importance, so Mystra (most important to intelligent creatures trying to USE magic) became also the Guardian or Mother of the Weave, and Lurue sort of . . . danced sideways. To become the awe-inspiring mystery she is now." |
| Alystra Illianniis |
Posted - 12 Jan 2011 : 19:14:59
It was stated in one of Ed's old replies, I think, that Lurue was one of the first FR gods, so the unicorn deity probably pre-dates those two. That would likely mean that they are just lesser aspects of Lurue, at least according to the (new) lore. Mielikki was also a Finnish goddess, so is probably an interloper, and Silvanus is Celtic, though I think that panthon was one of the first in the FR. But I was referring more to the fact that Lurue is both nature AND magic. (Also stated in Ed's reply on the subject. Wooly or Sage would know where to find it....) |
| Zireael |
Posted - 11 Jan 2011 : 11:28:03
quote:
Posted - 13 Oct 2010 : 17:11:00 The problem is (which I discussed in my post that I accidentally erased) is that the fey lore is hard to do in FR, simply because of the all-pervasiveness of FR in terms of the other settings.
Not only did the Fey (Le'Shay) come from Toril (a creator race can't be an interloper - that wouldn't make any sense), but we also have lore that the Drow Descent happened there! Add to that many other bits, like Paul Kemp's 'Shadow Lore' concerning Shar, and it appears that FR may be the most important world in the DungĂ´verse (my newest term - that describes the D&D-specific universe).
Basically, the Le'Shay are a creator race, and I would hazard to guess they were the first, but remained hidden from the others (since they started-out as beings of pure energy, that was fairly simple to accomplish). Then they left, presumably because of the Affair of the Black Diamond, which must have happened on Toril, since that is the story of why they left Ladinion and established Faerie (and Elaine has established that the Elves originated in Faerie).
Ergo, we have chronologically: Fey live on Toril, Fey interact with Dwarves, (some) Fey get corrupted and Ladinion is destroyed, Fey establish new home in the Feywild called 'Faerie', Abeir and Toril are split asunder, Fey send Sylvan Elves to Toril, Eladrin flee Tintageer (their own settlement within the Realm of Faerie, yet outside of Titania's Court).
That is the timeline, in a nutshell. We can add to that that the Fey called themselves the Le'Shay, and were somehow concerned with the dragons (who appear to have been 'seeded' onto some crystal spheres). we also know that the Le'Shay have had problems with Giants (Mostly Fomorians, but also corrupted versions of others). This gives us tenuous connections between the Fey, dragons, dwarves, and Giants (through both the dragons and the dwarves).
There also seems to be some proto-history concerning aberrations - mostly Aboleths and time-traveling Illithids - but I'm not sure how, or even if, they are connected. I haven't read any of Mr.Cordell's recent work so I can't even begin to fit any of that in. I have to assume that all goes back to the 'Slimy Time', perhaps during the Age of the First Sun.
Anyhow, I had all that stuff (except the aberration material) connected together in my article that I lost, so I have to work on rebuilding that. Suffice it to say that the original Dark Elves were the ones that had been corrupted by the Black Diamond. Many of them followed their Fey brethren into the Feywild (although not everyone was to happy about that), where the Le'Shay established Faerie (their Realm). It was at this time, when Faerie was first built (similar to a domain within Ravenloft, except this was in the feywild)) that the Fey were forced to take corporeal form permanently (thus becoming the Le'Shay). From that point on, all children born to those first-comers within Faerie were called El'Adrin (loyal childrin), and only retained their immortality so long as the remained within the Feywild. Children born outside of Faerie, but still within the Feywild, were even less powerful, and became known as Sylvanoi (folk of the wood).
Some time after there was conflict between the uncorrupted (Seelie) and Corrupted (Unseelie) Fey, and the Unseelie were forced to flee Faerie (but not necessarily the Feywild). Only one large tribe of those - the Ilythiir - remained behind in Faerie when the others left (that's not canon, but it works). Then the Sylvan Elves - which the Dark-Elven Ilythiir were part of - were sent forth from Faerie (that's in the GHotR).
Your Elder Drow can easily fit into this progression. The Ilythiir were children of those first fey - the offspring of those that had been tainted by the Black Diamond. HOWEVER, those were the mortal offspring - some of original tainted Fey could still exist, and be those 'Elder Drow'. In truth, they would actually be Corrupted Fey, but since they gave birth to the dark Elven race it all fits.
That they were the 'progenitors' makes them even scarier and more mysterious (as the Le'Shay relate to the Elves and Eladrin) IMHO.
Hope some of that helps.
Unseelie drow, anyone? And that bit by MT is really good!
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Hmm, MT, I like that idea! And if Lurue is "life" then Malar as the bestial side of nature would be "death", right? Nobanion could be "balance" or perhaps "civilization". But I also like the old Ed-lore of Lurue and Nobanion being the lion and unicorn of old British folklore. He might be the aspect of fey nobility and strength, where the unicorn would be their purity and grace. Just a few thoughts.
And what of Silvanus and Mielikki, two other purely nature gods?
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| Alystra Illianniis |
Posted - 19 Oct 2010 : 03:29:04
Hmm, MT, I like that idea! And if Lurue is "life" then Malar as the bestial side of nature would be "death", right? Nobanion could be "balance" or perhaps "civilization". But I also like the old Ed-lore of Lurue and Nobanion being the lion and unicorn of old British folklore. He might be the aspect of fey nobility and strength, where the unicorn would be their purity and grace. Just a few thoughts. I'm loving this discussion. Giving me lots of ideas for my own homebrew setting, too. Incidentally, I love that you use some of the Wiccan/Goddess concepts, because it feels more Realmsian in spirit that way, IMHO. |
| Quale |
Posted - 18 Oct 2010 : 22:21:10
incredible how you tie it all together
I just don't like this Eachthighern character, wish there was just Lurue mysterious
fey could be the ''elementals'' of the Prime
what about Nobanion then, he's an avatar of whom, think he could roar the True Words |
| Markustay |
Posted - 18 Oct 2010 : 19:46:35
Well, the Fey are deeply connected to Olympian Pantheon, nearly as much so as they are to the Seldarine, so using some Greek bits in the lore works well, IMHO.
I think that if there was a 'first' group of deities, they were probably ascended members of the Creator Races. That could mean they ascended through apotheosis (worshiped by their own people), or with help (granted Chosen-like energies) from primordials, or some combination of both (likely, IMHO).
Eachthighern makes a great primordial 'Beast Lord', representing the power of nature itself. Since nature = 'Life', and we know from Ed-lore that Arcane magic = life, then we can assume that Lurue's nature is what gives it its primal connections to magic. I know that's very Wiccan/Goddess in concept, but I use a lot of that anyway.
Like how Malar represents the bestial side of Nature, Lurue would represent the primal power of nature (which encompasses ALL the elements). So Lurue would have the portfolio of arcane magic, NOT its use by mortals (which is what Mystra did). Lurue doesn't represent the weave - she represents that awesome power that lies on the other side of the weave - the incredibly powerful pure magic (which mystra's weave filters).
So as Mystra represents a local power-plant that gives us enough energy to go about our lives, Lurue would be the pure, unfettered fury of Electricity itself.
And as I said, I now think of Lurue as a 'local sub-station' of the mysterious Eachthighern. His 'child', yes, but only in as much that he created her from a part of himself.
Just as I now feel Kakatal created Kossuth, and Strasha created Istishia. Local manifestations of even older and more enigmatic beings - think of them as a combination alias and avatar for a (Prim)Ordial.
Which means when the barrier between Abeir and Toril came down, these missing pieces were reunited with their primordial progenitors.
Just a new avenue of thought I'm pursuing ATM... |
| Quale |
Posted - 18 Oct 2010 : 19:09:25
yea, I know ether, notice the sarrukh have fiery eyes, I had this as a symbol of their lifeshaping powers given by the Serpent (of Chaos)
so Lurue is Eachthighern's daughter, and Selune's, if Lurue is the original Mystra, that means Selune is Eachthighern or Eachthighern is Shar lol
Eachthighern is Koriel's (Annam's mount) son, and Erevan Ilesere is his mother
ignore all that |
| Markustay |
Posted - 18 Oct 2010 : 18:23:06
Thank you Quale.
I KNEW there was a connection, but I'm not near my sources and couldn't remember the details, so chose not to 'take sides', as it were.
Unfortunately, that bit of lore is patently ridiculous.
At least, in regards to the HB lore I had for Lurue. Since Lurue appears to be an older, more primal power of magic, it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to relegate her down to a daughter of a minor deity of an obscure pantheon. If anything, I would prefer it to be a Faerűnian aspect of the Fey power itself.
Which does make sense in my greater scheme of things, since deific progeny are little more then sentient manifestations (self-aware avatars). If Eachthighern is a core (primal) god, then each world would have its own manifestation, of either sex (since spirits do not have physical forms except when they assume one).
Which means I have to make Eachthighern an Ordial - that group of elemental/energy Lords that include the primordials (amongst others). Mortals cannot worship Primordials directly, so they have to work through intermediaries (deities, who once served the Ordials), which is the whole reason they 'give birth' to the world-specific manifestations.
Which just gave me a new idea for the elemental Lords, using some VERY old FR lore. 
EDIT: Now this IS interesting. While following my train of thought and tryng to picture my Elemental model for my cosmology, I found some ancient Greek theories about the elements. They associated geometric shapes with the elements as well, and they used a Tetrahedon (three-sided pyramid) to represent Fire. I associated the Creator Races with elements, and assigned Fire to the Sarrukh (mostly because I had that one left, and I pictured the whole Sauroid/volcano thing). The Pyramids in Anauroch are three-sided...
I love when things come full-circle. 
And as a bonus, I learned they called their 5th Element 'Ether'... VERY interesting.. I can definately use that. |
| Quale |
Posted - 18 Oct 2010 : 08:26:23
Lurue is his daughter, according to Elves of Evermeet, her alias is Yathagera |
| Alystra Illianniis |
Posted - 17 Oct 2010 : 23:44:56
Ah. Well, I KNEW there was one in there, but that particular book is buried in a box somewhere in my parents' upstairs storage in my dad's shop. Which is why I could not find it to check the listing. So it may not be Lurue, but at least it's a fair equivalent. Thanks, IK, for clearing that up. Could it be an alternate name, though? I know some deities are known by different names depending on the setting. *bows humbly to IK for the assist* |
| Ionik Knight |
Posted - 17 Oct 2010 : 23:30:39
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Thank you, Sage. Really though, if I had the book handy I'd look it up, and as MT mentioned some FR deities were mentioned as being aspects or alternate names for others. The unicorn god(dess) WAS in there, as that was the first place I had ever seen it, and I bought that book long before I started really getting into Realms-specific lore.. Whether it was named or intended to be Lurue is the part I don't recall off-hand. As an interesting aside, the were-pantheon had some interesting background about the four main deities being in pairs- bear/tiger and wolf/fox as mates or brother/sister. While I'm not certain how many lycanthropes would actively follow such deities, I believe that lore was intended to give those "races" a sort of patron to watch over their interests. Most of the fey gods in that book seem to have been intended for the same purpose. The draconic pantheon was in there as well, and the undead ones seem to have been there mostly for vampires to have a sort of "king" or "creator", much like in WoD.
Eachthighern the Lord of Unicorns. A winged unicorn stallion who is sometimes a mount for Oberon, Fionnghuala, an Hanali Celanil (plus unnamed other Sylvan Gods). No mention of the Forgotten Realms setting or "Lurue" is given. |
| Acolyte Thirteen |
Posted - 16 Oct 2010 : 17:18:14
I *do* have the book handy. |
| Alystra Illianniis |
Posted - 16 Oct 2010 : 06:45:58
Thank you, Sage. Really though, if I had the book handy I'd look it up, and as MT mentioned some FR deities were mentioned as being aspects or alternate names for others. The unicorn god(dess) WAS in there, as that was the first place I had ever seen it, and I bought that book long before I started really getting into Realms-specific lore.. Whether it was named or intended to be Lurue is the part I don't recall off-hand. As an interesting aside, the were-pantheon had some interesting background about the four main deities being in pairs- bear/tiger and wolf/fox as mates or brother/sister. While I'm not certain how many lycanthropes would actively follow such deities, I believe that lore was intended to give those "races" a sort of patron to watch over their interests. Most of the fey gods in that book seem to have been intended for the same purpose. The draconic pantheon was in there as well, and the undead ones seem to have been there mostly for vampires to have a sort of "king" or "creator", much like in WoD. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 16 Oct 2010 : 06:31:50
Okay, enough. Errors of assumption were made. Let's move on.
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| Acolyte Thirteen |
Posted - 16 Oct 2010 : 06:28:36
My recollection is not rusty. Lurue is NOT in 'Monster Mythology'.
Lure is NOT in 'Monster Mythology'
Oh, as an aside to Alystra's blantant false-representation, I would like to add...
Lurue is NOT in 'Monster Mythology'!!
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Yes, there is in fact an enrty for that deity, though it may be under a different name- don't have the book avilable ATM, but I distinctly remember the entry on the "unicorn god" in the fey section. In fact, most of the FR pantheons are statted in the book, at least as far as non-human pantheons. It even mentions lich and vampire "gods" and the entire lycanthrope pantheon. (Tiger, bear, wolf, fox, and boar deities) Though none of these are actually used in FR lore, some of them could be tweaked for use as aspects of normal FR deities. The unicorn deity, if I remember, is listed after Tytania and Oberon, along with Robin Goodfellow(Puck) and the Unseelie Queen-whatever-her-name-is. The entry might mention him(her?) being known as Lurue in Faerun, but I can't remember for certain. It's been several years since I cracked it open so my recollection is slightly rusty.
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| Markustay |
Posted - 15 Oct 2010 : 23:37:17
Separate aspects of a hunter-deity for each of the Lycanthropic varieties would be good for a specific setting, but creating them like that in core (which means they are multi-spheric) is a bit absurd.
I think the idea of gods for undead is equally ridiculous. Why do liches worship anyone? In normal religions there is the 'threat' of the afterlife. Whats the threat with undead? That they will be returned to life?
which could work, if their life really sucked... |
| Quale |
Posted - 15 Oct 2010 : 22:47:12
I think Velsharoon was still a mortal back then, Powers and Pantheons say he's Melif.
Monster Mythology was ridiculous in part, I mean how many werebears are out there
An alias for Pan I think is Tapann (Damh in Monster Mythology)
with Puck there is a confusion between Nathair Sgiatach, Hlal, Asterinian ... |
| Markustay |
Posted - 15 Oct 2010 : 19:15:03
The book does make mention of the fact that Velsharoon is a Faerunian aspect of Mellifleur, IIRC. If not there, then elsewhere (I know its somewhere LOL).
I remember something about Bane as well, relating to the core deities (before 4e), but the exact lore escapes me.
Anyway, my point is that many FR gods are present in that tome, but you may have to dig for them.
Is Puck/Robin also an alias of the faery dragon deity? If not, he should be. Maybe not...
Puck may be a better alias for Pan (since there are deep connections between the Olympians and the fey). |
| Alystra Illianniis |
Posted - 15 Oct 2010 : 18:13:24
Yes, there is in fact an enrty for that deity, though it may be under a different name- don't have the book avilable ATM, but I distinctly remember the entry on the "unicorn god" in the fey section. In fact, most of the FR pantheons are statted in the book, at least as far as non-human pantheons. It even mentions lich and vampire "gods" and the entire lycanthrope pantheon. (Tiger, bear, wolf, fox, and boar deities) Though none of these are actually used in FR lore, some of them could be tweaked for use as aspects of normal FR deities. The unicorn deity, if I remember, is listed after Tytania and Oberon, along with Robin Goodfellow(Puck) and the Unseelie Queen-whatever-her-name-is. The entry might mention him(her?) being known as Lurue in Faerun, but I can't remember for certain. It's been several years since I cracked it open so my recollection is slightly rusty. |
| Acolyte Thirteen |
Posted - 15 Oct 2010 : 11:18:45
Lurue is not in Monster Mythologies, under the Fey Section.
EDIT: So, if anyone wants to buy it based on that, don't. Lurue does not appear ANYWHERE in the tome. |
| Alystra Illianniis |
Posted - 15 Oct 2010 : 09:04:31
Actually, you can still find decent copies on Amazon or ebay. I bought mine many years ago, before the 3rd ed shift, but I still use it frequently, along with the other three you mentioned. Granted the ey lore only takes up a small section of the book, but since it deals with all of the major fey deities, it is at least a good starting point. |
| Zanan |
Posted - 15 Oct 2010 : 08:44:22
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
It's not that obscure, Zanan. It's a fairly easy to find book, or at least it was at the time.
It is 2010 now, the book was written for AD&D Core in 1992 and you'd have to be some sort of lore fan to dig it up from beneath some 20odd AD&D FR and 20odd 3E FR books to find a bit of fey lore. And to that list belong books which could (if not should) have some remarks about it, like Elves of Evermeet, Cormanthyr, or Demihuman Deities. These days, you have to be some kind of librarian to know about Monster Mythology (not to mention: to have it), though obviously Wikipedia et al might help you out. But anyways, as has been said, the designers of 4E seem to like that bit and this Chosen of Nendawen trilogy draws on the feyworld too. Then again, the designers of 4E seem to like quite a few "things" ... |
| Markustay |
Posted - 13 Oct 2010 : 17:11:00
The problem is (which I discussed in my post that I accidentally erased) is that the fey lore is hard to do in FR, simply because of the all-pervasiveness of FR in terms of the other settings.
Not only did the Fey (Le'Shay) come from Toril (a creator race can't be an interloper - that wouldn't make any sense), but we also have lore that the Drow Descent happened there! Add to that many other bits, like Paul Kemp's 'Shadow Lore' concerning Shar, and it appears that FR may be the most important world in the DungĂ´verse (my newest term - that describes the D&D-specific universe).
Basically, the Le'Shay are a creator race, and I would hazard to guess they were the first, but remained hidden from the others (since they started-out as beings of pure energy, that was fairly simple to accomplish). Then they left, presumably because of the Affair of the Black Diamond, which must have happened on Toril, since that is the story of why they left Ladinion and established Faerie (and Elaine has established that the Elves originated in Faerie).
Ergo, we have chronologically: Fey live on Toril, Fey interact with Dwarves, (some) Fey get corrupted and Ladinion is destroyed, Fey establish new home in the Feywild called 'Faerie', Abeir and Toril are split asunder, Fey send Sylvan Elves to Toril, Eladrin flee Tintageer (their own settlement within the Realm of Faerie, yet outside of Titania's Court).
That is the timeline, in a nutshell. We can add to that that the Fey called themselves the Le'Shay, and were somehow concerned with the dragons (who appear to have been 'seeded' onto some crystal spheres). we also know that the Le'Shay have had problems with Giants (Mostly Fomorians, but also corrupted versions of others). This gives us tenuous connections between the Fey, dragons, dwarves, and Giants (through both the dragons and the dwarves).
There also seems to be some proto-history concerning aberrations - mostly Aboleths and time-traveling Illithids - but I'm not sure how, or even if, they are connected. I haven't read any of Mr.Cordell's recent work so I can't even begin to fit any of that in. I have to assume that all goes back to the 'Slimy Time', perhaps during the Age of the First Sun.
Anyhow, I had all that stuff (except the aberration material) connected together in my article that I lost, so I have to work on rebuilding that. Suffice it to say that the original Dark Elves were the ones that had been corrupted by the Black Diamond. Many of them followed their Fey brethren into the Feywild (although not everyone was to happy about that), where the Le'Shay established Faerie (their Realm). It was at this time, when Faerie was first built (similar to a domain within Ravenloft, except this was in the feywild)) that the Fey were forced to take corporeal form permanently (thus becoming the Le'Shay). From that point on, all children born to those first-comers within Faerie were called El'Adrin (loyal childrin), and only retained their immortality so long as the remained within the Feywild. Children born outside of Faerie, but still within the Feywild, were even less powerful, and became known as Sylvanoi (folk of the wood).
Some time after there was conflict between the uncorrupted (Seelie) and Corrupted (Unseelie) Fey, and the Unseelie were forced to flee Faerie (but not necessarily the Feywild). Only one large tribe of those - the Ilythiir - remained behind in Faerie when the others left (that's not canon, but it works). Then the Sylvan Elves - which the Dark-Elven Ilythiir were part of - were sent forth from Faerie (that's in the GHotR).
Your Elder Drow can easily fit into this progression. The Ilythiir were children of those first fey - the offspring of those that had been tainted by the Black Diamond. HOWEVER, those were the mortal offspring - some of original tainted Fey could still exist, and be those 'Elder Drow'. In truth, they would actually be Corrupted Fey, but since they gave birth to the dark Elven race it all fits.
That they were the 'progenitors' makes them even scarier and more mysterious (as the Le'Shay relate to the Elves and Eladrin) IMHO.
Hope some of that helps. |
| Alystra Illianniis |
Posted - 13 Oct 2010 : 16:34:33
It's not that obscure, Zanan. It's a fairly easy to find book, or at least it was at the time. And there was a pretty cecent write-up on each of the major fey gods, including Lurue. So there are clearly some connections there. But to be honest, fey have never played much part in ANY setting's lore, so it's not surprising that there isn't more canon lore on them. It seems like 4th ed is bringing them more into the spotlight, though. Probably because of all the fey-based templates and feats in 3.5. And Evermeet had some pretty decent links at the beginning of the book. It's just that no one's ever felt the need to elaborate on it until recently- too many other projects taking precedence, I'd imagine. |
| Quale |
Posted - 13 Oct 2010 : 10:40:32
Elaine's books have some connections, e.g. Evermeet, Counselors and Kings, lythari |
| Zanan |
Posted - 13 Oct 2010 : 10:34:58
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
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Originally posted by Snowblood
Fey beings...seelie/unseelie are mentioned in Monster Mythology...an early 2E supplement....lots of early & obscure realms lore in there
Right you are! that was the source I mentioned above, and lurue is mentioned amonf the "Farie" pantheon. As is Tytania, and Obereon. corellon, Lolth(Araushnee) and Grumsh are all in their own pantheons in it, as well. It's one of the best early sources for deific lore, IMO.
Point is that its - as I said - an obscure and very old source, that hardly goes into any great detail. Maybe there's a reason that the designers of the FR ever since left the seelie/unseelie connection out of the equation? Wouldn't people agree that if there actually was a link, the designers would have drawn on it in those ... 18 years post Monster Mythology? |
| Dalor Darden |
Posted - 13 Oct 2010 : 01:23:11
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Back to the topic of drow and unseelie- I just had a great idea to link them. We have already decided that Arashnee might have been the daughter of Tytania's unseelie sister. But what about her father? I was thinking it could be Erevan. That would make "chaos" the daugther of "mischief". A rather fitting connection- and the unseelie blood might explain why Corellon fell for her- it was her fey charms that attracted him. Possibly as an intentional attempt to seduce him to get in his favor. And the fact that she bore Vhaeraun and Eilistraee might have just been a side-effect of that union. Eilistraee being his favorite even over both her and her son might have simply driven Araushnee over the edge. But this would explain both eilistraee's more "fey" aspect (dancing, moonlight, etc) and Vhaeraun's darker side (malicious, secretive, etc.) It was their unseelie blood.
 I like that part about Eilistrae and Vhaerun! |
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