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| Dantrag |
Posted - 03 Dec 2009 : 04:38:57
Look i love the realms, i am an avid reader of any FR book i can get my hands on( i own about a 50 as of now), but i have yet , and honestly don't plan to, play D&D. It seems that most topics in Candlekeep have to do with D&D , and though there are a few not involving it, most do. This makes it kind of difficult to post on a consistent basis in the forums, and im just wondering if there are any other non players here and if they have any complaints regarding this. |
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| The Sage |
Posted - 17 Dec 2009 : 13:46:31
Okay, I think we're kinda heading into off-topic territory here. Let's bring this scroll back to topic, eh?
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| Uzzy |
Posted - 17 Dec 2009 : 11:15:41
Captain Caveman vs Batman? Pfft. Batman has millions of years to prepare, so he'll beat him no trouble.
And yes, the Bat-codpiece is an abomination unto man, but Uma as Ivy is the one redeeming feature of that film, and thus makes Batman and Robin better then 4th Edition FR.
As for you, Cleric Generic, playing a game does sound fun! Which continent are you in though?  |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 17 Dec 2009 : 11:06:06
quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens
And Captain Caveman could still kick Batmans behind.
And he'd do it by pulling a dinosaur out of his fur!  Captain Caveman rules!  |
| Jorkens |
Posted - 17 Dec 2009 : 08:42:05
Nothing that criticises 3ed. will be countered by me.
As for Batman; even the Adam West and old Superfriends versions are better than the movies and newer comic books in my opinion. And Captain Caveman could still kick Batmans behind.
And now its time to go back to grumbling over TSR products in my corner again. |
| Firestorm |
Posted - 16 Dec 2009 : 23:18:26
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
Candlekeep tends to go through periods of slight inactivity with respect to the kinds of discussions posted here. Add to that, the fact that some of our more prolific scribes have simply retired from these halls or moved on to other sites on the web over the years, and you'll begin to appreciate just why the "lack of topics" has become a recurring trend here. I can, for example, immediately recall about 20 scribes which I regularly used to chat with about diverse Realms-based topics here at Candlekeep since 2002. Unfortunately, most are inactive now, leaving near-silence to once again reign within these dark and scholarly walls.
If you or any future contributing scribe to this scroll have any ideas about possibly counter-acting this circumstance, I'd be happy to hear and consider each in turn.
Its possible many of them died in the spellplague^_^
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| MrHedgehog |
Posted - 16 Dec 2009 : 22:07:55
Bat Codpiece was the best thing ever!!!
Arnold was terrible though... |
| Ashe Ravenheart |
Posted - 16 Dec 2009 : 20:06:27
Yes, it is especially harsh on 3rd edition, but I think it's right on the mark on 4th. But that is my personal opinion.
And for Sir Uzzy, Uma as Ivy doesn't erase the 'Bat-Card', the 'Bat-Codpiece', or Ahnold. Enjoy! |
| MrHedgehog |
Posted - 16 Dec 2009 : 19:25:32
Third Edition was the best edition in my opinion!
And yeah, I like Batman and Robin LOL |
| Uzzy |
Posted - 16 Dec 2009 : 19:02:18
That's just wrong Ashe. Really, comparing Batman and Robin to 4th Edition! Bad move on your behalf, and really an insult to Joel Schumacher's work. Batman and Robin has redeeming features, after all (mainly in the shape of Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy), unlike 4th Edition. |
| The Red Walker |
Posted - 16 Dec 2009 : 18:48:29
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Saw an interesting quote over on Paizo's boards that sums up how I feel about 4th Edition and the Spellplague:
1st Edition: Batman
2nd Edition: Batman Returns
3/3.5 Edition: Batman Forever
4th Edition: Batman & Robin
Pathfinder: Batman Begins
Pathfinder's Advanced Classes: The Dark Knight
See, much like Uzzy, you can have 4th Edition Faerūn and it can have a lot of things in it that show it's the Forgotten Realms. But much like Joel Schulmacher's version of Batman to a fan of the Caped Crusader (like myself), it just ain't the same.
That is a particularly interesting way of looking at it. Though I'd say comparing 3e and 4e with Batman Forever and Batman & Robin [respectively] is rather harsh and slightly unacceptable for me. They were both terrible films, that didn't really add anything to the film mythos of the Batman universe. Whereas, at least for me, I feel 3e and 4e have their strengths -- in part -- that contribute to the whole of the D&D game.
I agree with you and I think Ashe probably does too, but once he was locked into the FR compared to Batman movies...that was all he had to work with! |
| The Sage |
Posted - 15 Dec 2009 : 23:32:03
quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Saw an interesting quote over on Paizo's boards that sums up how I feel about 4th Edition and the Spellplague:
1st Edition: Batman
2nd Edition: Batman Returns
3/3.5 Edition: Batman Forever
4th Edition: Batman & Robin
Pathfinder: Batman Begins
Pathfinder's Advanced Classes: The Dark Knight
See, much like Uzzy, you can have 4th Edition Faerūn and it can have a lot of things in it that show it's the Forgotten Realms. But much like Joel Schulmacher's version of Batman to a fan of the Caped Crusader (like myself), it just ain't the same.
That is a particularly interesting way of looking at it. Though I'd say comparing 3e and 4e with Batman Forever and Batman & Robin [respectively] is rather harsh and slightly unacceptable for me. They were both terrible films, that didn't really add anything to the film mythos of the Batman universe. Whereas, at least for me, I feel 3e and 4e have their strengths -- in part -- that contribute to the whole of the D&D game.
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| SirUrza |
Posted - 15 Dec 2009 : 21:46:17
Sadly I find myself stuck in a void of just not caring. I have my AD&D Realms and I have my 3e Realms. I can use any of it any way I like. The 4e novels are irrelevant to the time period I like to play in, so I can't really discuss them. There is NO 4e Realms supplement line, so again, nothing to discuss.
Pretty much the only thing Candlekeep has to offer to me is help finding material in the HUGE back catalog of Realms material.
If by chance I needed help converting Age of the Chosen material to 4e mechanics, perhaps I'd ask for it, but since the only 4e campaign I was playing in ended (and was in a homebrew world) I don't even need that. |
| Ashe Ravenheart |
Posted - 15 Dec 2009 : 15:42:35
Saw an interesting quote over on Paizo's boards that sums up how I feel about 4th Edition and the Spellplague:
1st Edition: Batman
2nd Edition: Batman Returns
3/3.5 Edition: Batman Forever
4th Edition: Batman & Robin
Pathfinder: Batman Begins
Pathfinder's Advanced Classes: The Dark Knight
See, much like Uzzy, you can have 4th Edition Faerūn and it can have a lot of things in it that show it's the Forgotten Realms. But much like Joel Schulmacher's version of Batman to a fan of the Caped Crusader (like myself), it just ain't the same. |
| Cleric Generic |
Posted - 15 Dec 2009 : 08:57:01
quote:
Originally posted by Uzzy
quote:
The Realms many of us grew to love no longer exists.
Nicely encapsulates my reason for not posting here much anymore. (And I'm not allowed to be negative on threads relating to the other setting anymore either.  )
Of course, I'm not gaming or running the Realms anymore, nor am I reading books set in the world, mainly as it's no longer the same world as we grew to love. Shame really.
Join my game! I could use a veteran Realms junkie at the table, and I'd love to demonstrate the various ways in which the realms is still the realms. |
| Uzzy |
Posted - 15 Dec 2009 : 03:21:06
quote:
The Realms many of us grew to love no longer exists.
Nicely encapsulates my reason for not posting here much anymore. (And I'm not allowed to be negative on threads relating to the other setting anymore either. )
Of course, I'm not gaming or running the Realms anymore, nor am I reading books set in the world, mainly as it's no longer the same world as we grew to love. Shame really. |
| The Red Walker |
Posted - 14 Dec 2009 : 23:28:32
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
I was thinking specifically authors, not designers.
Although there is quite a bit of cross-over, I still feel certain people fall more into one category then the other.
If i were talking about designers, then I would have said Schend instead of Elaine (which is no poor reflection on his novels - I will just always think of him as a designer first).
Ed is the sole exception to my 'this or that' way of thinking - Ed will always be all things to me. 
Who among us can't help but smile when we look upon (or even think about) the Old Grey Box? It was an RPG masterpiece.
With Authors, I couldn't agree more....no one has ever done better work at translating the entirety of what the realms are(were)into novel form than Elaine. Hell there are few writers, who can make their own worlds feel as real she does with Ed's baby. I think even he would agree with that. |
| althen artren |
Posted - 14 Dec 2009 : 21:36:57
Greetings Markus,
I've wondered where you've been. Have you
worked on any maps or have you taken up
quilting? 
(And don't laugh at quilting, real quilts can sell
for hundreds of dollars. I have one from the 1800'2
that could go for $1500 easy) |
| Markustay |
Posted - 14 Dec 2009 : 11:23:59
I was thinking specifically authors, not designers.
Although there is quite a bit of cross-over, I still feel certain people fall more into one category then the other.
If i were talking about designers, then I would have said Schend instead of Elaine (which is no poor reflection on his novels - I will just always think of him as a designer first).
Ed is the sole exception to my 'this or that' way of thinking - Ed will always be all things to me.
Who among us can't help but smile when we look upon (or even think about) the Old Grey Box? It was an RPG masterpiece. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 12 Dec 2009 : 15:53:39
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
with the sole exception of Ed, I don't think anyone truly understood the Realms better then Ms. Cunnimgham.
Don't forget Kate Novak and Jeff Grubb. 
And I think even Steven Schend has managed to accomplish much the same, and all with only two of his most recent examples of Realms fiction. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 12 Dec 2009 : 14:58:02
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
with the sole exception of Ed, I don't think anyone truly understood the Realms better then Ms. Cunnimgham.
Don't forget Kate Novak and Jeff Grubb. |
| Brimstone |
Posted - 12 Dec 2009 : 14:57:33
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
The Realms many of us grew to love no longer exists. The question of weather the 'new realms' is better then the 'Old Realms' is moot. The simple fact is that the thing in its current form is NOT what we fell in love with.
I was lurking for a bit, but now I don't even do that - this is the first I'm on in awhile. I just re-read Starlight & Shadows, which makes me wax nostalgic, so I popped in today. How I will miss Elaine's wonderful Realms prose; with the sole exception of Ed, I don't think anyone truly understood the Realms better then Ms. Cunnimgham.
Good to see you around Markus. |
| SirUrza |
Posted - 12 Dec 2009 : 12:38:33
Indeed Markustay. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 12 Dec 2009 : 10:46:12
The Realms many of us grew to love no longer exists. The question of weather the 'new realms' is better then the 'Old Realms' is moot. The simple fact is that the thing in its current form is NOT what we fell in love with.
I was lurking for a bit, but now I don't even do that - this is the first I'm on in awhile. I just re-read Starlight & Shadows, which makes me wax nostalgic, so I popped in today. How I will miss Elaine's wonderful Realms prose; with the sole exception of Ed, I don't think anyone truly understood the Realms better then Ms. Cunnimgham. |
| Brimstone |
Posted - 07 Dec 2009 : 06:44:11
I have said this before on the Wizard Forums. The group I game with wouldn't know 1,2,or 3E Lore from 4E lore anyways. So I could just use my older Realms books in 4E and they wouldn't even notice the difference.
2 would know but hey its my game. |
| bladeinAmn |
Posted - 07 Dec 2009 : 06:00:25
quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens
quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon
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now 4e comes along, the old lore doesn't matter all that much anymore,
Here's where I don't really agree, both from a rpg standpoint and a reader. There are thousands upon thousands of pages of information and the whole idea of a roleplaying (and fantasy) world is to use ones imagination. This is the reason that the idea of a strict canon rubs me the wrong way, its just a blocking of ideas and discussions.
I agree and don't agree w/you, Jorkens.
I agree w/SFDragon that 4e, based on the way it was made, does away w/the old lore.
And I agree w/you about there being so many pages of 1e, 2e, and 3e lore for us to use and create our own stories from, not juss in places like Osse either, but in the more detailed lands that we love.
And I think the way how lore was made in the 1st 3 editions was just fine, for the most part anyways.
(Edit: I think that the lore, when it wasn't completely to your liking, was made in such a way that it was open-ended, and you can thus customize it, in the way how you really thought it to happen ie--Canon states that Myth Adofaer time travelled into the future, but judging by the way its written, it gives me the impression that the more plausible explanation is that it somehow went into Spelljammer, and is monitoring its former lands and communities via scrying, or perhaps even hidden in plain sight.)
I personally don't use any of the 4e lore that I've explored. The 1e, 2e, and 3e books have so much that its insane! Has anyone ever tried counting how many different storylines and adventure hooks there are in Steve Schend's 2e Lands of Intrigue book, alone? I've had that book for 4yrs, and I'm still amazed by how many adventures there are in it!
Granted, I got into Forgotten Realms late (2003-ish), but after researching all the lore in the various 2e and 3e sourcebooks (and pre-4e Dragon and Dungeon magazines to go with them), I'm just convinced that there are so many storylines and adventure hooks that can make you have very full campaigns and stories, be it in a group, or even just doing it for oneself. |
| sfdragon |
Posted - 06 Dec 2009 : 21:19:04
and that is why I said doesnt matter all that much instead of the old lore was thrown out that others have used
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| Jorkens |
Posted - 06 Dec 2009 : 17:26:09
quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon
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now 4e comes along, the old lore doesn't matter all that much anymore,
Here's where I don't really agree, both from a rpg standpoint and a reader. There are thousands upon thousands of pages of information and the whole idea of a roleplaying (and fantasy) world is to use ones imagination. This is the reason that the idea of a strict canon rubs me the wrong way, its just a blocking of ideas and discussions.
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| sfdragon |
Posted - 06 Dec 2009 : 10:02:08
I came in, during the final days of 2nd and the beginning of 3rd.
all the lore, was still being talked about, and still mattered.
now 4e comes along, the old lore doesn't matter all that much anymore, and the new lore , is up in 3 places:
1: in the bases that there is not to much of it right now
2: up in ddi, which mind you, isnt that accessible for everyone.
3: covered under NDA
as for other FR sites, well there was that Chosen of Eilistraee site, but they removed the link to the wotc site there and stated that they would stay in 3.5 or go on with their own story and not use the 4e stuff or some such.
other than them, the only other place is Loremaster and here at Candlekeep that I know of personally. |
| Dark Wizard |
Posted - 06 Dec 2009 : 08:59:37
To the OP's concern about lack of novel/story related discussion, I find the novel sections and novel discussions, including the questions to the authors sections, to be some of the more active parts of the site. It takes forever for the more 'crunchy' RPG related topics to generate responses on par with the novel discussions. That includes discussions on RPG products, releases, rules, DDI articles and the like. A lot of the "RPG" lore discussions actually fall into a sort of hybrid category in my mind. These dominate the activity on this site from what I've seen. These discussions have application in gaming, but also help to elaborate the story side of things. Often the lore is tied to novel events or characters.
Honestly, the Realms is anything but "novels discussion lite." The novels are an integral part of the Realms, to the chagrin of some RPG players. The novels on average also make more money than RPG supplements, which helps promote their higher release rate, especially with the one-off strategy WotC took with the RPG setting. Novels are about the only place outside of DDI to get any information on the current Realms. |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 06 Dec 2009 : 04:53:42
quote:
Originally posted by Cleric Generic
perhapse I am vastly misunderstanding things, but what is the issue with discussing homebrew Realms material and building on previous edition lore?
I rather hope this place doesn't grind to a halt, it's a goldmine! I'm not letting you lot get away because of some bulls**t edition wars! :)
As for the lack of topics, what would people like to see? I could quite easily spew forth great fountains of my own piffle at the library (even moreso than I already do), but I question how constructive that would be.
Hmm, there really is no issue about homebrew that I have seen. There is a section called running the Realms.
I have gone back to 1st Edition on occasion, and it should be recalled that the first Ed Greenwood was 1st Edition.
The forum is for discussion, I could post many things about what I have interest in as declarative statements. Such might generate discussion, however just as likely get me edited or banned.
Of those that have read they might understand tht many of my posts have been concerning Eilistraee, Drow, elves, with minor percentage of interaction on other aspect of Realms/current Edition or prior one.
If there is a topic you wish discussed, clearly you should start one in proper location. It though clearly holds a risk that no one else will want to discuss it. I have started elsewhere threads that I hoped for discussion that however resulted in no replies. Maybe I should have used a more active forum, though those posts clearly could not be posted here. |
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