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| Menelvagor |
Posted - 18 Jun 2009 : 06:35:14
The Srinshee said when she took the Ruler's Blade:
"When Oacenth's Vow is fulfilled in the stars above and below, I shall return."
Oacenth's Vow is as follows:
"If we are to survive as the People," he said, "one coronal must vow to unify the tribes of this great land. One coronal must unify sun and moon, sky and sea, and tree, root, and earth, that all may achieve a long-lasting peace and strength in unity."
So, how did the crusade fulfill Oacenth's vow? I suppose you could also go into a discussion about what exactly is the meaning of the vow. 'Sun and moon' might mean moon elf and sun elf, but what about 'sky and sea, and tree, root, and earth'?
Also, what did the Srinshee mean when she said: 'in the stars above and below'?
Any ideas/answers? |
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| coach |
Posted - 24 Jun 2009 : 00:01:39
Sky, well, since avariel are extinct...
unless you were just poking fun above, this is incorrect i think unless i have missed a 3/3.5 edition canon reference to this occurrence
avariel present in Rogue Dragon trilogy - aerie located in Sossal, and in a forest in Damara |
| Ikki |
Posted - 23 Jun 2009 : 23:34:44
quote:
Originally posted by Menelvagor
The Srinshee said when she took the Ruler's Blade:
"When Oacenth's Vow is fulfilled in the stars above and below, I shall return."
Oacenth's Vow is as follows:
"If we are to survive as the People," he said, "one coronal must vow to unify the tribes of this great land. One coronal must unify sun and moon, sky and sea, and tree, root, and earth, that all may achieve a long-lasting peace and strength in unity."
So, how did the crusade fulfill Oacenth's vow? I suppose you could also go into a discussion about what exactly is the meaning of the vow. 'Sun and moon' might mean moon elf and sun elf, but what about 'sky and sea, and tree, root, and earth'?
Also, what did the Srinshee mean when she said: 'in the stars above and below'?
Any ideas/answers?
sun, moon and sea are self evident. Sky, well, since avariel are extinct... how about that referring to the Imperial Elven Navy? Tying it closer to the groundling nations..
Tree, root and earth. Now thats a bit more esoteric. Ever heard the "as above, so below"? That was one gross failure of myth drannor, with the tree running wild, losing all contact with the roots..
That is, the great houses (tree) must serve the common elves (roots). Earth, being the home, the nation, that forms the boundry and meeting ground, the reason either exists.
Stars = capable ones. The ones with levels :P
above = houses, below = commoners. Those shouldnt be turned against each other, but united under a singlöe strong coronal.
...and thus we have, one people, one elven race, one nation... myth drannor over all... hail victory! :D |
| BlackAce |
Posted - 21 Jun 2009 : 23:52:48
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Originally posted by Markustay
Sky and Sea could be a reference to the Sea Elves and Avariel, since this is apparently about uniting the Elven people.
The other three might be about the Green (Sylvan) Elves - Wood, Wild, and Drow (but don't ask me how, except for wood, which is obvious). I suppose 'earth' could mean the Drow, but that would leave 'root' for Grugach (Wild Elves), which is a little weird (unless you think of them as the 'root tribe' from whence all Wood Elves came).
Could also use the Widow Trilogy as feeding into it too. What with the return of the Illithyr as opposed to the drow. |
| Quale |
Posted - 20 Jun 2009 : 17:52:55
I think the designers just forgot about it, like with the Tree of Souls. And the whole restoration of Myth Drannor, end of the Retreat was forced. |
| Menelvagor |
Posted - 18 Jun 2009 : 18:47:09
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart:
(how is this supposed to become canon if everyone forgets to mention it? )
They don't mention it because it's untrue. Everybody knows that Meneldur, a moon elf wizard found the sword, and gave it to the newly returned Syrumstar Auglamyr for her Choker and some, ahem, 'favors'.
But seriously now, doesn't anybody have an answer? Perhaps one of the writers...? |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 18 Jun 2009 : 17:57:09
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
(how is this supposed to become canon if everyone forgets to mention it?  )
Forgets to mention what?  |
| Ashe Ravenheart |
Posted - 18 Jun 2009 : 17:21:50
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
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Originally posted by edappel
I may be wrong, but the ruler blade and Srinshee didn't come back yet, right? Seiveril just took Myth Drannor...
The Srinshee's return to Myth Drannor is mentioned in the Grand History, under 1377 DR
Geez, Brian! You keep forgetting to mention that the half-elf ranger Ashe Ravenheart found Ary'Velahr'Kerym (the Warblade) and bonded to it in the battle for Shadowdale...
(how is this supposed to become canon if everyone forgets to mention it? ) |
| edappel |
Posted - 18 Jun 2009 : 17:06:01
(I hadn't read 4e campaign book cause my DM is still on our "time-jump"... LoL... Ok, thanks for the lore, Brian R. James) |
| Brian R. James |
Posted - 18 Jun 2009 : 16:53:23
quote:
Originally posted by edappel
I may be wrong, but the ruler blade and Srinshee didn't come back yet, right? Seiveril just took Myth Drannor...
The Srinshee's return to Myth Drannor is mentioned in the Grand History, under 1377 DR |
| Arivia |
Posted - 18 Jun 2009 : 15:25:33
I know we're all inclined to take Realmsian prophecies quite literally, but it's entirely possible the Oath is metaphorical: that is, as Ilsevele was the first elf to unite the elven peoples and to reclaim Cormanthyr in all ways. I do believe that trilogy does end with a land, air, and underground pincer motion in some way. |
| edappel |
Posted - 18 Jun 2009 : 15:22:06
I may be wrong, but the ruler blade and Srinshee didn't come back yet, right? Seiveril just took Myth Drannor...
Please, correct me if I'm wrong. |
| Lady Fellshot |
Posted - 18 Jun 2009 : 15:19:32
It might happen in the five year period between the last chapter and epilogue in The Last Mythal. In any case it isn't specifically written down as far as I know, and I didn't see anything in the Grand History of the Realms that would explain it either. I could very well be wrong though and simply don't have a book with the relevant lore. |
| IngoDjan |
Posted - 18 Jun 2009 : 15:13:14
Maybe the Oacenth's Vow not means what it seems. The elven language is very hard to translate, u know! |
| Menelvagor |
Posted - 18 Jun 2009 : 08:32:42
Yes, I though of this, but did this happen in the crusade? I don't remember any Avariel or Sea Elves participating. Did they come to Myth Drannor later, along with some Drow?
And it still wouldn't answer what the Srinshee meant when she said 'in the stars above and below'. Unless the stars below are Star ELves... ;) |
| Markustay |
Posted - 18 Jun 2009 : 07:23:19
Sky and Sea could be a reference to the Sea Elves and Avariel, since this is apparently about uniting the Elven people.
The other three might be about the Green (Sylvan) Elves - Wood, Wild, and Drow (but don't ask me how, except for wood, which is obvious). I suppose 'earth' could mean the Drow, but that would leave 'root' for Grugach (Wild Elves), which is a little weird (unless you think of them as the 'root tribe' from whence all Wood Elves came).
A bit of a stretch, but that would cover all the major groups. Star Elves weren't created/invented/disovered when the vow was made, so they don't count. The Lythari would be missing as well, but they are sort-of 'half-Fey', so they might also be discounted. |
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