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| Aerik DeVallo |
Posted - 24 Mar 2009 : 15:44:25
Just a discussion and place for speculation as to what may become of the duet of viper's who murdered Mystra, caused the destruction of Dweomerheart, and ended the glory that was the lady of mysteries and magic.
What do you guys think?! |
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| khorne |
Posted - 31 Mar 2009 : 19:09:43
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
Joey Q, we're looking at you. "Brand New Day" indeed! 
People are taking bets on the probability that Spidey will get together with Mary Jane again as soon as Quesada is out the building.
I just have to make a quick note on this. I have no idea what Quesada is talking about when he says that they had to make Peter single again for young boys to like the comic. I started reading Spider-man when I was 12.
By that time he had been married longer than I had been alive. So a married Peter was actually the normal version for me, something Mr. Quesada doesn't seem to realize in his crusade to make all of Marvel-dom look exactly like it did when he was a kid. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 31 Mar 2009 : 17:24:50
quote:
Originally posted by khorne
Unless some other people come to power at WOTC, and decide to change it. Stuff like that happens all the time.
My thoughts exactly (remember how Sembia was never going to be detailed). |
| The Sage |
Posted - 31 Mar 2009 : 08:10:43
Joey Q, we're looking at you. "Brand New Day" indeed! |
| khorne |
Posted - 31 Mar 2009 : 07:53:57
quote:
Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan
No, the weave is gone. And there will be never again a deity which controlls magic, as WotC has explicitely stated.
Unless some other people come to power at WOTC, and decide to change it. Stuff like that happens all the time. Hell, just look at Marvel comics. Stuff there that was supposed to be set in stone changes as soon as a new editor-in-chief is appointed. |
| Ayunken-vanzan |
Posted - 31 Mar 2009 : 06:09:19
No, the weave is gone. And there will be never again a deity which controlls magic, as WotC has explicitely stated. |
| Drizztsmanchild |
Posted - 31 Mar 2009 : 04:34:54
Actually when you think about it maybe AO did get involved a little. When Shar blocked the new diety of magic from ascending in an effort to get control over the weave(is this right?) and she wasn't able to maybe it was Ao who stopped her(just a theory). IMO if Shar would have shared the weave with Selune(Since it was theirs to begin with) then maybe it would have gone smoothly. The weave is still around right? So maybe Ao is simply waiting for a deity thats worthy to resume control.
This is only a theory as i have heard only snippets of whether the weave is still around or not. So forgive me if theres lack of "canon" info in the above section |
| Aerik DeVallo |
Posted - 30 Mar 2009 : 23:24:37
I guess that makes sense as well, Rin. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 30 Mar 2009 : 23:16:38
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I am not of the opinion that prior lore should be ignored if it was problematic. Personally, I don't see how Ao was a problem, anyway.
He's problematic because if he's around, many of the new changes make even less sense (ie. Shar "blocking" the ascension of a new deity of magic). |
| Ghost King |
Posted - 30 Mar 2009 : 22:57:49
I actually liked the idea of Ao, but I never played the Realms prior to the ToT so I may not have the same perspective as someone that did before the change over. Anyways, Ao isn't really a huge hurtle, he mostly is uncaring of what happens on Toril as long as everyone plays by the rules. However, even he apparently is powerless against WotC's powers. Perhaps that is who he was talking to and eluded to answering to superiors above him? |
| Aerik DeVallo |
Posted - 30 Mar 2009 : 22:44:00
Me either, Wooly. He's the overgod, plain and simple. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 30 Mar 2009 : 17:24:19
quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens
quote:
Originally posted by khorne
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
As per Rich Baker, AO is more or less being ignored in 4E.
Amusing. They created him, and now they have no idea what to do with him, so they just shuffle him of to a corner and pray people don't ask inconvenient questions...
Well to be fair; there's not that many people at WOTC that were around when AO was introduced. And it is one of the better decisions they have done lately, as the whole AO thing was a problem from the start.
I am not of the opinion that prior lore should be ignored if it was problematic. Personally, I don't see how Ao was a problem, anyway. |
| Jorkens |
Posted - 30 Mar 2009 : 15:47:31
quote:
Originally posted by khorne
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
As per Rich Baker, AO is more or less being ignored in 4E.
Amusing. They created him, and now they have no idea what to do with him, so they just shuffle him of to a corner and pray people don't ask inconvenient questions...
Well to be fair; there's not that many people at WOTC that were around when AO was introduced. And it is one of the better decisions they have done lately, as the whole AO thing was a problem from the start. |
| Alisttair |
Posted - 30 Mar 2009 : 11:47:07
How about Io? |
| sfdragon |
Posted - 29 Mar 2009 : 18:48:33
they didnt like him either |
| khorne |
Posted - 29 Mar 2009 : 17:26:08
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
As per Rich Baker, AO is more or less being ignored in 4E.
Amusing. They created him, and now they have no idea what to do with him, so they just shuffle him of to a corner and pray people don't ask inconvenient questions... |
| Penknight |
Posted - 29 Mar 2009 : 05:04:07
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
As per Rich Baker, AO is more or less being ignored in 4E.
Really? I didn't know that "good storytelling and lore" was actually AO!!  |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 28 Mar 2009 : 23:29:07
As per Rich Baker, AO is more or less being ignored in 4E. |
| Drizztsmanchild |
Posted - 28 Mar 2009 : 10:17:37
As I have posted elsewhere I believe Cyric wasthe one betrayed by Shar. And when he is released(which will be a lot sooner than the 998 years he has left trust me) revenge shall be his. BTW A question for those more familiar with law and justice than I may be. Since Tyr is the one who pronounced judgment on Cyric and Tyr commited murder himself(I.e the killing of Helm) shouldn't all his judgements and decisions be questioned? Thus giving Cyric a new trial? And when he killed Leira, the crime was made known by Ao who claimed Cyric was only acting as his portfolio required and was therefore not punished. Why was he punished for Mystra's murder.
I was under the impression that a Deity could only be tried for acting against or outside their portfolio. For example Cyric claiming he was the god of dawn. |
| Aerik DeVallo |
Posted - 26 Mar 2009 : 18:36:02
4e annoy's me, too, but my opinion is ultimately bias because me and 3.5e FR are BFF's...
Why would she be WoTC favorite goddess? She's NOT EVEN Mystra...lol
I don't know, guys. I suppose it's not up to us in the long run. Still, I'd like to see a novel come out about a gods-war or something of that nature. I would expect no less than eight books on the story lol. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 26 Mar 2009 : 15:12:25
quote:
Originally posted by khorne
What I can't understand is why Shar wasn't punished at all.
Because she's WotC's favorite goddess.
Yes, that was tongue-in-cheek, but I have my reasons for saying that... |
| Menelvagor |
Posted - 26 Mar 2009 : 14:09:19
Which make the whole 4e concept even more annoying, as already said in the famous rants of Helm. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 26 Mar 2009 : 13:20:50
quote:
Originally posted by Archmagus Brandon
By the by, how is it that none of the dieties residing in Dweomerheart knew that they had entered the realm? Is it because Cyric and Shar are both greater dieties and just blocked their senses? Or was magic itself involved? And if that is the question, how would Mystra not have known that magic was being used to cloak something as great as a god? *scratches head*
It's another of those unanswered questions. |
| Zapato |
Posted - 26 Mar 2009 : 09:38:25
quote:
Originally posted by Menelvagor
Kelemvor shouldn't care, if he really took up the personality of the GOd of Death after being accused of failure because of human traits. I mean, he didn't even agree to give Mystra Adon's soul.
They way I read it, Kelemvor didn't took op the god of death's personality but rather his portfolio, and decided to become a 'new' god of death in showing that death is only natural and nothing creepy.
As for Adon's soul. Adon WAS a non-believer. Hence he had to go with Kelemvor and not Mystra. Though he indeed could have shown some more human emotions on that point.
Ah well, trouble in paradise huh  |
| Menelvagor |
Posted - 26 Mar 2009 : 09:32:58
Kelemvor shouldn't care, if he really took up the personality of the GOd of Death after being accused of failure because of human traits. I mean, he didn't even agree to give Mystra Adon's soul. |
| sfdragon |
Posted - 26 Mar 2009 : 09:10:11
to look at that, is to know that Shar is no fool, and unlike Cyric who madly schemes, Shar schemes and acts from the darkness.
and being that Cyric is the prince of lies, who would believe him, and all the forensic evidence pointed to Cyric as all Shar did was pull strings.
She's guilty of the following:
Conspiracy to commit murder
Guilty of conspiracy to commmit genocide
guilty of bad taste
Guilty of murder in the 1st degree
but knowing and proving it are two things.
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| Zapato |
Posted - 26 Mar 2009 : 09:06:42
And what about kelemvor? I dont know if anything else happend after he became the god of death in 3E but shouldn't he be a 'little' pissed about his former lover being killed like that? |
| khorne |
Posted - 26 Mar 2009 : 08:09:13
What I can't understand is why Shar wasn't punished at all. She was just as guilty as Cyric and got of scot-free. |
| Aerik DeVallo |
Posted - 25 Mar 2009 : 23:18:05
Haha, it just sounded cool.
I know they were never friends to begin with, any of them, but it was a betrayal of honor that they just snuck in to Dweomerheart and killed her from behind.
In a sense, Cyric and Shar betrayed all the dieties when they killed Mystra, because a lot of the dieties have spellcasting class levels. Which would mean with the weave destroyed and Mystra gone, none of their arcane magic functioned either, right?
By the by, how is it that none of the dieties residing in Dweomerheart knew that they had entered the realm? Is it because Cyric and Shar are both greater dieties and just blocked their senses? Or was magic itself involved? And if that is the question, how would Mystra not have known that magic was being used to cloak something as great as a god? *scratches head* |
| Menelvagor |
Posted - 25 Mar 2009 : 19:28:04
Well, Asmodeus could summon a lot more support, so it wouldn't be fair. Think of Mystra in Elminster in Hell.
ALthough, I have a question about your thread in general. Why are you calling it 'betrayal'? Shar was ever the enemy of Mystra, and it's not like Cyric was trusted by her either. |
| Aerik DeVallo |
Posted - 25 Mar 2009 : 13:32:49
Well, if he was already at neg's, that explains why! lol
Can't expect a man to fight off an archdevil at neg's...
Still, though. Any god/dess, dying or not, should still have proven difficult to own. Asmodeus is as close to godhood as any lesser diety, though...
Who would win in a fight if they were at their primes? Hehehehehe |
