| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| Ardashir |
Posted - 10 Sep 2008 : 17:19:44
Okay, so I know that Sylune is now dead dead, and that Qilue is apparently gone for good (insert a Darth Vader-ish "NOOOOOO!" here), but what about the others? Are they supposed to be just 'offstage' or were they killed (or depowered or driven mad)?
Man, the more I find out about the 4th Ed Realms, the happier I am that I'm not spending money on it.
PS -- Just where can I get information on the Sisters aside from the 2nd Edition book? |
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| Ashe Ravenheart |
Posted - 11 Jan 2009 : 16:14:31
So, Brimstone. Can you send me you PC's stats? I'd like to use them as a villain in my game. :) |
| Brimstone |
Posted - 11 Jan 2009 : 08:17:45
-In my Realms they will be Cyric's Pleasure Harem.   
BRIMSTONE  |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 07 Jan 2009 : 01:37:36
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
Not all of the tales of the Seven - - nor of the Princess Alusair - - have yet been told.
Especially since they are all still alive in my Realms. |
| sneakypetev |
Posted - 05 Jan 2009 : 20:22:28
quote:
Originally posted by sneakypetev
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
Sigh. I'm afraid the answers both ravennight AND sneakypetev are seeking are NDA for the moment, though I know (from private discussions with Ed) that definitive answers to both questions exist.
Please take heart from my use of "for the moment." It means that, if things go as currently planned (and yes, I know that matters have a way of morphing wildly in recent years), we will all learn those answers, officially and eventually.
Keep this in mind, and take what comfort from it you can:
Not all of the tales of the Seven - - nor of the Princess Alusair - - have yet been told.
Thanks for the reply.
(So saith Ed.)
love to all,
THO
Sorry for the mistake, I am new to posting. |
| The Hooded One |
Posted - 05 Jan 2009 : 19:41:38
Sigh. I'm afraid the answers both ravennight AND sneakypetev are seeking are NDA for the moment, though I know (from private discussions with Ed) that definitive answers to both questions exist.
Please take heart from my use of "for the moment." It means that, if things go as currently planned (and yes, I know that matters have a way of morphing wildly in recent years), we will all learn those answers, officially and eventually.
Keep this in mind, and take what comfort from it you can:
Not all of the tales of the Seven - - nor of the Princess Alusair - - have yet been told.
(So saith Ed.)
love to all,
THO |
| sneakypetev |
Posted - 05 Jan 2009 : 19:33:02
quote:
Originally posted by ravennight
So...Here's something that kills me about continuity...
I don't mind that they've killed off a good number of characters we all cared about, especially when like Alusair Obarskyr, we just really started to get a taste of her adventures...But as for the Seven Sisters...
If Elminster is noted for still possessing his immortality, and the Simbul is hiding away in Shadowdale, presumably with him, than how does Alustriel just pass away? Same goes for Laeral, if that is the story?
I know I am bit off topic but how did Alusair Obarskyr die ? |
| Christopher_Rowe |
Posted - 03 Jan 2009 : 13:54:24
As far as I know, this is still accurate.
Alustriel: is mentioned in those places cited below. She is known to have died before 1479 DR while holding the office of High Lady of Silverymoon.
Dove Falconhand: has not yet been mentioned in the fourth edition lore and her fate is unknown (but see note, below).
Laeral: is mentioned in those places cited below. Based on the evidence of passages at page 236 in BT, she is believed to have died, perhaps after 1391 DR as that is the date given for her memoir, Lifelong with Regrets. However, the dating remains uncertain as it is unclear whether 1391 is the year of composition or the year of publication of that work.
The Simbul: is mentioned in those places cited below. She is known to be alive, but living in hiding somewhere in the Dalelands, fostering the widespread belief that she is dead.
Storm Silverhand: is mentioned in those places cited below. Her fate is unknown (but see note below).
Syluné: is mentioned in those places cited below. She is known to be dead, as revealed in the lore of previous editions.
Qilué: has not yet been mentioned in the fourth edition lore, but is known to be dead, as revealed in the lore of a previous edition.
Note: Though the fates of neither Storm Silverhand nor Dove Falconhand are known, on 23rd August, 2008, Ed Greenwood, speaking through an associate on this web page, wrote that "...the fates of the Seven are revealed in the FRCS or in Realms novels, or will be revealed in the fullness of time. One of [Dove or Storm] is definitely NOT dead in the Year of the Ageless One."
Index
Alustriel
FRCG: 146
FRPG: 108, 109
Dove Falconhand
no references
Laeral
FRCG: 36
BT: 14, 50, 232, 234, 236
Seven Sisters, the (as group)
BT: 14
D367: 5
Simbul, the
FRCG: 88
FRPG: 62, 76-77, 146
Storm Silverhand
FRCG: 108, 113
D367: 7
Syluné
FRCG: 45
Qilué
no references
Works Cited
BT: Blackstaff Tower, a novel by Steven E. Schend, 2008.
D367: "Epic Faerûn" by Richard Baker. Dragon 367 (September 2008): 5-10.
FRCG: Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide by Bruce R. Cordell, Ed Greenwood, and Chris Sims, 2008.
FRPG: Forgotten Realms Player's Guide by Rob Heinsoo, Logan Bonner, and Robert J. Schwalb, 2008. |
| phal |
Posted - 03 Jan 2009 : 07:13:28
quote:
Originally posted by Gang Falconhand
Maybe at the moment of her (silly) death Mystra gave more of her power to the two Chosen most able to hold it and live... Maybe that power didn't have the desired effect, which is why Elminster and The Simbul aren't quite their old selves...
Wouldn't be the first time.
Whatever happened, it would be nice to know the story. But I suppose that's part of the master plan, to keep us hungry for more of what happened in the past 100 years.
I'm not sure I like being hung out to dry like this. I don't mind a cliffhanger between books of a series like Wheel of Time. But handing out tidbits of realm information piece by piece to maximize profit potential? Ug, like we didn't have enough NDA to frustrate us before. Now we don't even have enough puzzle pieces to fill in the edges. |
| Gang Falconhand |
Posted - 31 Dec 2008 : 08:29:01
Maybe at the moment of her (silly) death Mystra gave more of her power to the two Chosen most able to hold it and live... Maybe that power didn't have the desired effect, which is why Elminster and The Simbul aren't quite their old selves... |
| Lord Karsus |
Posted - 31 Dec 2008 : 04:08:57
-Elminster and The Simbul could also have immortality via a Wish spell, or through some other means, that the other Chosen of Mystra (for whatever reason) do not. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 31 Dec 2008 : 02:40:21
quote:
Originally posted by Gang Falconhand
I was just trying to explain how I could understand the situation with some of the Seven dying, and The Simbul surviving. I'm not saying this is what I believe or that I'm happy with it, but I can see how the circumstance could come about.
I understand. What you mentioned is possible, but I guess I just don't find it satisfying. |
| Gang Falconhand |
Posted - 30 Dec 2008 : 22:50:15
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
quote:
Originally posted by Gang Falconhand
I understand how you feel and I hate the whole timejump to 4E, but I can buy how some of the Chosen might live longer than others.
Alustriel was the oldest of the Seven Sisters (after Sylune) and the strain of ruling a nation can be quite telling.
The Simbul ruled a nation, too. As for age, the sisters were born one per year over seven years. That's really not a great age difference, IMO, and it seems like a moot point anyway when dealing with people who are all over 600 years old.
Hehe, I was hoping nobody was going to mention the very slight age-gap between them.
As for The Simbul ruling a nation as well as Alustriel, I'd think that The Simbul had a lot more 'fire' in her to keep her alive - her hatred of Thay, her love for Elminster etc.
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
quote:
Laeral had a lot to deal with during and following the events of 'Blackstaff.'
Right, but the others have always had "a lot to deal with" as well.
I meant more the emotional fallout of the events of that book, specific to her and the love of her life.
I was just trying to explain how I could understand the situation with some of the Seven dying, and The Simbul surviving. I'm not saying this is what I believe or that I'm happy with it, but I can see how the circumstance could come about. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 30 Dec 2008 : 18:33:29
quote:
Originally posted by Gang Falconhand
I understand how you feel and I hate the whole timejump to 4E, but I can buy how some of the Chosen might live longer than others.
Alustriel was the oldest of the Seven Sisters (after Sylune) and the strain of ruling a nation can be quite telling.
The Simbul ruled a nation, too. As for age, the sisters were born one per year over seven years. That's really not a great age difference, IMO, and it seems like a moot point anyway when dealing with people who are all over 600 years old.
quote:
Laeral had a lot to deal with during and following the events of 'Blackstaff.'
Right, but the others have always had "a lot to deal with" as well. |
| Ghost King |
Posted - 30 Dec 2008 : 01:36:08
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
quote:
Originally posted by ravennight
So...Here's something that kills me about continuity...
I don't mind that they've killed off a good number of characters we all cared about, especially when like Alusair Obarskyr, we just really started to get a taste of her adventures...But as for the Seven Sisters...
If Elminster is noted for still possessing his immortality, and the Simbul is hiding away in Shadowdale, presumably with him, than how does Alustriel just pass away? Same goes for Laeral, if that is the story?
Okay, not that I'm a big fan of 4eFR <Gasp!>, but this one is pretty easily fixable, given the randomness of the Spellplague.
As the Cerulean Storm washed across the land, it touched... and changed... many things. When it passed over a user of Weave magic, the roiling chaos of Raw magic drove many insane. The more power a mage held, the worse the effects were upon him (or her).
The Spellplague hit Chosen the hardest. When faced with the coming doom, many - like Alustriel - chose to divest herself of the 'inner spark' (Silver Fire) that connected them to the Weave, while others chose to 'stand and fight'. Either way was bitter choice - those that gave-up Mystra's blessing were spared the worst of it, but gave up immortality as well.
For those that chose to "rage against the Night", some made it through the Storm, worse for the wear... Elminster was one such.
The Simbul was not so lucky... 
The only thing I'm confused about is how regular mages can use silver fire in Aglorand considering I thought it was a Chosen of Mystra exclusive power, but that is off-topic somewhat.
Yeah I think they went over board just a tad on the killing off the Chosen. A few would have been fine, like finally putting Sylune to rest instead of being a ghost and Khelben fulfilling the prophecy. I actually liked Storm so I'm wondering what has become of her. Elminster surviving I expected considering in 2nd edition it said "He cannot die" to summarize. Plus he is the primary story teller/sage in the Realms so killing him is effectively killing the Realms.
But why they went all serial killer on the Sisters I haven't the slightest idea. As for The Simbul, what I've read about her before 4th, she was already a "bit-out-there" from the descriptions of her I have read. So I guess she is just full-blown crazy now...?
~Ghost King~ |
| Markustay |
Posted - 29 Dec 2008 : 19:38:12
quote:
Originally posted by ravennight
So...Here's something that kills me about continuity...
I don't mind that they've killed off a good number of characters we all cared about, especially when like Alusair Obarskyr, we just really started to get a taste of her adventures...But as for the Seven Sisters...
If Elminster is noted for still possessing his immortality, and the Simbul is hiding away in Shadowdale, presumably with him, than how does Alustriel just pass away? Same goes for Laeral, if that is the story?
Okay, not that I'm a big fan of 4eFR <Gasp!>, but this one is pretty easily fixable, given the randomness of the Spellplague.
As the Cerulean Storm washed across the land, it touched... and changed... many things. When it passed over a user of Weave magic, the roiling chaos of Raw magic drove many insane. The more power a mage held, the worse the effects were upon him (or her).
The Spellplague hit Chosen the hardest. When faced with the coming doom, many - like Alustriel - chose to divest herself of the 'inner spark' (Silver Fire) that connected them to the Weave, while others chose to 'stand and fight'. Either way was bitter choice - those that gave-up Mystra's blessing were spared the worst of it, but gave up immortality as well.
For those that chose to "rage against the Night", some made it through the Storm, worse for the wear... Elminster was one such.
The Simbul was not so lucky... |
| Gang Falconhand |
Posted - 29 Dec 2008 : 14:22:16
quote:
Originally posted by ravennight
If Elminster is noted for still possessing his immortality, and the Simbul is hiding away in Shadowdale, presumably with him, than how does Alustriel just pass away? Same goes for Laeral, if that is the story?
I understand how you feel and I hate the whole timejump to 4E, but I can buy how some of the Chosen might live longer than others.
Alustriel was the oldest of the Seven Sisters (after Sylune) and the strain of ruling a nation can be quite telling.
Laeral had a lot to deal with during and following the events of 'Blackstaff.'
Elminster was always Mystra's favourite and the one tied closest to her divine power so it stands to reason that he would live longest.
As for The Simbul, well, I just can't imagine she'd let anything kill her, even time.
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| Ashe Ravenheart |
Posted - 29 Dec 2008 : 13:49:32
quote:
Originally posted by ravennight
So...Here's something that kills me about continuity...
I don't mind that they've killed off a good number of characters we all cared about, especially when like Alusair Obarskyr, we just really started to get a taste of her adventures...But as for the Seven Sisters...
If Elminster is noted for still possessing his immortality, and the Simbul is hiding away in Shadowdale, presumably with him, than how does Alustriel just pass away? Same goes for Laeral, if that is the story?
I agree. There is no consistency with the Chosen deaths. |
| sfdragon |
Posted - 29 Dec 2008 : 09:25:38
sylune actually only died once, she was put to back to rest in the shadowdale adventure book |
| ravennight |
Posted - 29 Dec 2008 : 08:40:23
So...Here's something that kills me about continuity...
I don't mind that they've killed off a good number of characters we all cared about, especially when like Alusair Obarskyr, we just really started to get a taste of her adventures...But as for the Seven Sisters...
If Elminster is noted for still possessing his immortality, and the Simbul is hiding away in Shadowdale, presumably with him, than how does Alustriel just pass away? Same goes for Laeral, if that is the story? |
| The Sage |
Posted - 23 Sep 2008 : 01:27:25
I don't think all the years have been specifically referenced, as that bit I quoted from Ed above, indicates. |
| The Red Walker |
Posted - 22 Sep 2008 : 17:55:46
Do we know in which years each sister died in?
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| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 16 Sep 2008 : 01:54:01
OK, I fixed my post. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 16 Sep 2008 : 01:21:04
Heh. It may be worthwhile noting SPOILERS for such information, since some of the scribes reading this scroll, may not have read those particular books. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 15 Sep 2008 : 23:39:58
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas
Hmmm, I'm trying to recall.... did Quilue die at the end of the Lady Penitent books? I thought it was the other priestess.
(highlight for spoiler)A lot of people die in that book--Qilue was indeed one of them. |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 15 Sep 2008 : 22:08:05
Hmmm, I'm trying to recall.... did Quilue die at the end of the Lady Penitent books? I thought it was the other priestess. |
| Neil |
Posted - 12 Sep 2008 : 15:54:09
quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but near as I understand it, Qilue fell in an ultimate battle for her deity, and Sylune perished heroically averting some great disaster? Hardly cheap or ignominious ends.
Absolutely agree. In fact, Syluné died well twice. A good NPC, if they have to die, should die for something worthwhile, not just to show how dangerous a new villain is. Of course, killing major NPCs is something that shouldn't happen every day, or else it doesn't mean anything. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 12 Sep 2008 : 14:54:33
quote:
Originally posted by phal
A hero that dies senselessly because they've become inconvenient . . . . . really ticks me off.
That's really what bothers me about many of these deaths. It's obvious that several of the sisters died because WotC didn't want them around anymore, even if on the surface the deaths were made out to be "meaningful". |
| Ashe Ravenheart |
Posted - 12 Sep 2008 : 14:42:42
That would be the Shadowdale adventure/sourcebook recently put out. |
| The Red Walker |
Posted - 12 Sep 2008 : 14:28:19
What disaster did Sylune avert and just how did she die? |
| phal |
Posted - 12 Sep 2008 : 10:07:07
A hero that sacrifices themselves for a reason or purpose, I can enjoy.
A hero that lives happily ever after and dies peacefully in their sleep, I can also enjoy.
A hero that dies senselessly because they've become inconvenient . . . . . really ticks me off. |
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