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| SirUrza |
Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 04:59:45
So I know the new book has found it's way out early, I'm wondering if it tells us who's a live, who's dead, etc? |
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| Ashe Ravenheart |
Posted - 04 Sep 2008 : 02:54:05
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Originally posted by The Last Guardian
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
I think that what it means is that any Chosen who survived and could still be considered Chosen are now Exarchs instead. Chosen like El and The Simbul are no longer Chosen, nor Exarchs, just regular (yeah, right!) NPCs.
I get the feeling they are not Exarches (or at least no mention of them being one) is due to the fact that there is no Goddess or God of Magic in 4th ed. It seems all the other Exarches have gravitated towards one of the greater powers. Whose 'court' would they be apart of?
I was speaking of the Chosen that were NOT of Mystra's following. Sorry, should have clarified that earlier. |
| The Last Guardian |
Posted - 03 Sep 2008 : 19:18:50
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
I think that what it means is that any Chosen who survived and could still be considered Chosen are now Exarchs instead. Chosen like El and The Simbul are no longer Chosen, nor Exarchs, just regular (yeah, right!) NPCs.
I get the feeling they are not Exarches (or at least no mention of them being one) is due to the fact that there is no Goddess or God of Magic in 4th ed. It seems all the other Exarches have gravitated towards one of the greater powers. Whose 'court' would they be apart of? |
| The Red Walker |
Posted - 03 Sep 2008 : 15:30:04
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I did notice (and someone else on the WotC boards did too) that the law about the leader of the Silver Marches serving for only 7 years--not for life--seems to have been forgotten about or disregarded.
Yes that law was "ravaged by the blue fire" |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 03 Sep 2008 : 15:04:08
I did notice (and someone else on the WotC boards did too) that the law about the leader of the Silver Marches serving for only 7 years--not for life--seems to have been forgotten about or disregarded. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 03 Sep 2008 : 00:56:52
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Originally posted by Fillow
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Fillow: Understood.
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Do we know yet when or where or how Alustriel dies?
I, for one, haven't heard anything, although I do not own the 4E FRCG.
The FRCG just says that Alustriel passed away :
"Before she passed away, High Lady Alustriel of Silverymoon founded a mutual defense league in the region. Her son Methrammar Aerasumé came to head a more diminished league".
Interesting. And somewhat appropriate considering he was commander of Luruar's armies. |
| Fillow |
Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 21:13:34
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Fillow: Understood.
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Do we know yet when or where or how Alustriel dies?
I, for one, haven't heard anything, although I do not own the 4E FRCG.
The FRCG just says that Alustriel passed away :
"Before she passed away, High Lady Alustriel of Silverymoon founded a mutual defense league in the region. Her son Methrammar Aerasumé came to head a more diminished league". |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 21:04:33
Fillow: Understood.
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Do we know yet when or where or how Alustriel dies?
I, for one, haven't heard anything, although I do not own the 4E FRCG. |
| The Red Walker |
Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 20:22:50
Do we know yet when or where or how Alustriel dies? |
| Fillow |
Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 20:16:38
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Fillow
You're so nice with me Rinonalyrna... 
Of course, why wouldn't I be? You're a nice person.
I'd really like to go on this way Rinonalyrna ( ) but we're going to be off-topic and... The Sage is around...  |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 17:27:04
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Originally posted by Fillow
You're so nice with me Rinonalyrna...
Of course, why wouldn't I be? You're a nice person. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 01 Sep 2008 : 04:06:01
I think it's important to note that a Chosen may ascend to the position of an Exarch. Creating new Chosen is still possible, and they don't necessarily have to be an Exarch -- it's just something they might eventually come to. However, judging from that FRCG quote, the current lot of Chosen have obviously ascended to the rank of Exarch. |
| Ashe Ravenheart |
Posted - 01 Sep 2008 : 03:21:21
I think that what it means is that any Chosen who survived and could still be considered Chosen are now Exarchs instead. Chosen like El and The Simbul are no longer Chosen, nor Exarchs, just regular (yeah, right!) NPCs. |
| Fillow |
Posted - 31 Aug 2008 : 20:05:49
You're so nice with me Rinonalyrna... |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 31 Aug 2008 : 19:50:24
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Originally posted by Fillow
The FRCG says that "The post-Spellplague world includes no Chosen who
are not exarchs." (page 72)
Did I misunderstand ? One more time ?
Sorry for that.
No need to be sorry. It's just that it doesn't say anywhere that being an exarch is a requirement for being a Chosen, or vice versa (although, it's possible I misunderstood it--the words are pretty vague). |
| Fillow |
Posted - 31 Aug 2008 : 19:35:44
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Fillow
I read in the FRCG that one nearly needs to be an exarch to become a Chosen.
Really? I just heard that there are currently no Chosen in the Realms who are not also exarchs.
The FRCG says that "The post-Spellplague world includes no Chosen who
are not exarchs." (page 72)
Did I misunderstand ? One more time ?
Sorry for that. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 31 Aug 2008 : 19:16:02
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Originally posted by Fillow
I read in the FRCG that one nearly needs to be an exarch to become a Chosen.
Really? I just heard that there are currently no Chosen in the Realms who are not also exarchs. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 31 Aug 2008 : 18:39:40
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Originally posted by Fillow
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Originally posted by Christopher_Rowe
[quote]Well, I'm not a Canadian (though I sometimes wear a maple leaf flag on my backpack when traveling abroad these days ), but I'd just go with demi-dieu.
Thanks Christopher.
So obvious ?
I was afraid of someone saying that ! Is ther not any difference between an exarch an a "half-god" ?
FRCG are said to be "divine servants of the gods". That's why I did not want to call them "half-god", while they serve gods.
Do you see what I mean ?
So, why "exarch" ? is ther an etymologic meaning ?
Or is it a figment as many other Fantasy names ?
The term originally applied to high-ranking religious officials.
With the advent of the Shattered Realms, a lot of demigods (the weakest, lowest rank of deity) were turned into exarchs. Exarchs in the Shattered Realms are apparently very powerful servants of deities, more powerful than a mortal cleric but not a deity in their own right. |
| Fillow |
Posted - 31 Aug 2008 : 18:33:28
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Originally posted by Christopher_Rowe
[quote]Well, I'm not a Canadian (though I sometimes wear a maple leaf flag on my backpack when traveling abroad these days ), but I'd just go with demi-dieu.
Thanks Christopher.
So obvious ?
I was afraid of someone saying that ! Is ther not any difference between an exarch an a "half-god" ?
FRCG are said to be "divine servants of the gods". That's why I did not want to call them "half-god", while they serve gods.
Do you see what I mean ?
So, why "exarch" ? is ther an etymologic meaning ?
Or is it a figment as many other Fantasy names ?
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| Faraer |
Posted - 31 Aug 2008 : 18:27:48
French Wikipedia gives exarque as the translation of the Greek exarchos. |
| Christopher_Rowe |
Posted - 31 Aug 2008 : 18:12:03
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Originally posted by Fillow
I read in the FRCG that one nearly needs to be an exarch to become a Chosen.
My question is an non-English-language born scribe ! I try to write about the new Chosen in a French website but I cannot translate the word "exarch", even if I understand what it is.
My question is : How could I translate it in to French language ?
Could someone give a synomym term ?
Could a Canadian scribe help me ?
Thanks a lot.
Well, I'm not a Canadian (though I sometimes wear a maple leaf flag on my backpack when traveling abroad these days ), but I'd just go with demi-dieu. |
| Fillow |
Posted - 31 Aug 2008 : 18:02:22
I read in the FRCG that one nearly needs to be an exarch to become a Chosen.
My question is an non-English-language born scribe ! I try to write about the new Chosen in a French website but I cannot translate the word "exarch", even if I understand what it is.
My question is : How could I translate it in to French language ?
Could someone give a synomym term ?
Could a Canadian scribe help me ?
Thanks a lot. |
| SirUrza |
Posted - 15 Aug 2008 : 19:40:40
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Thanks for the information.
Most welcome. I'm going to be doing some kind of review of all the new stuff sometime today on my live journal. |
| Tyranthraxus |
Posted - 15 Aug 2008 : 14:53:16
Hmm the new Realms are dark times indeed, if our most beloved heroes have died or are in hiding. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 15 Aug 2008 : 14:23:56
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
There's also a Year of Azuth's Woe -- 1440. Oops! 
Hah! |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 15 Aug 2008 : 14:22:12
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Originally posted by SirUrza
Storm is "absent."
That's all it says about her? :-/
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Elminster lives in her farmhouse, and Simbul faked her death and lives in the disguise in Shadowdale... not hard to figure out with who.. funny thing though.. the CS doesn't mention Elminster is insane.. I think it's a ploy, like Simbul's death, to be left alone.
I can't say I'm surprised. I don't think any previews actually stated that Elminster was insane, that's just how people interpreted the news about him.
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Seems there was a "year of the seven sisters" didn't note the date, but I'm guessing this is wen they all started dying. :(
Well, that can't be right, because we know the Simbul is still alive, and a couple of the sisters died before the Spellplague even occured (Sylune and Qilue).
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Edit: Although he's not a chosen, the sidebar for Mithral Hall in the Kingdom of Many Arrows notes that Bruneor "passed away" too.
Thanks for the information. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 15 Aug 2008 : 06:25:17
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Originally posted by SirUrza
*nods*
Got the CS today.
Storm is "absent."
Elminster lives in her farmhouse, and Simbul faked her death and lives in the disguise in Shadowdale... not hard to figure out with who.. funny thing though.. the CS doesn't mention Elminster is insane.. I think it's a ploy, like Simbul's death, to be left alone.
And Alustriel just "passed away."
No exact word on Dove, but her family still rules in Shadowdale.
Seems there was a "year of the seven sisters" didn't note the date, but I'm guessing this is wen they all started dying. :(
Edit: Although he's not a chosen, the sidebar for Mithral Hall in the Kingdom of Many Arrows notes that Bruneor "passed away" too.
1425 is the Year of Seven Sisters. Note that there is no "the" in there; this indicates that it could be any seven female siblings -- especially since at least one was already totally dead and gone (as opposed to dead and still around, which she was for a long time).
There's also a Year of Azuth's Woe -- 1440. Oops! |
| SirUrza |
Posted - 15 Aug 2008 : 03:50:38
*nods*
Got the CS today.
Storm is "absent."
Elminster lives in her farmhouse, and Simbul faked her death and lives in the disguise in Shadowdale... not hard to figure out with who.. funny thing though.. the CS doesn't mention Elminster is insane.. I think it's a ploy, like Simbul's death, to be left alone.
And Alustriel just "passed away."
No exact word on Dove, but her family still rules in Shadowdale.
Seems there was a "year of the seven sisters" didn't note the date, but I'm guessing this is wen they all started dying. :(
Edit: Although he's not a chosen, the sidebar for Mithral Hall in the Kingdom of Many Arrows notes that Bruneor "passed away" too. |
| crazedventurers |
Posted - 15 Aug 2008 : 02:43:24
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Originally posted by The Sage
Well, I did say "as of 3e."
So, obviously, Ed did have some plan for the other official [and not as yet revealed] clones.
I get that however, I was responding to a question about the 4E Realms in the FRCG 
Anyhoo, as I have stated previously, I like the Manshoon Wars and multiple clones running around, however, I just can't see WotC letting them back in now that they have culled them twice (in 3E and 4E) except in story form if it is hinted at rather than said " A-ha! I am Manshoon Prime!, No, I am Manshoon Prime! No, I am Manshoon Prime! etc etc etc. The new game is less convoluted and 'easier' to play, and we wouldn't want to confuse anybody, would we?
I have no doubt that a story from Ed about a Manshoon clone or three would be great, but in 4E less is more (apparently.....), so i can't see it happening (hoping that i am pleasantly suprised of course!)
Just my thoughts
Damian |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 15 Aug 2008 : 01:20:07
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Originally posted by Zanan
The OP over at EnWorld.
What a poor choice of words on his/her part. *sigh* |
| The Sage |
Posted - 15 Aug 2008 : 00:58:29
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Originally posted by crazedventurers
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Originally posted by The Sage
Don't forget the clone that was hanging out with Halaster in Undermountain. We really have no idea what happened to that Manshoon
The answer from the WotC forum to that specific question (is Manshoon still alive and how many?) was that only one Manshoon was left - I don't recall the post mentioning what happened to the other two official ones.
Cheers
Damian
Well, I did say "as of 3e."
Here's the relevant tidbits from both THO and Ed:-
"Remember the clever words of Richard Lee Byers, at last year's GenCon Indy FR seminar: "In my father's house, there are many Manshoons."
In other words, there are MORE Manshoons than 3e lore currently admits (as Ed will reveal in the fullness of time). And I'd say he's far more powerful than Fzoul, because he has fall-back plans and caches and plans set in motion far beyond Fzoul's capacity to anticipate. He may have suffered a personal setback within the Zhentarim, temporarily, but (to quote Ed of the Greenwood, hereafter):
"He's MUCH more cunning and better prepared than Fzoul has ever been. Fzoul always plays the "Hi, God of the Moment, I'm Yours!" card, and that's like juggling a flaming sword: no matter how good you are, sooner or later you're going to get badly cut and burned. My money is always on Manshoon - - and remember, I created Fzoul, Manshoon, and the Zhentarim, but haven't really had the chance to properly tell any of their stories, yet. Just fragments."
To this I can add: don't miss the Best of Eddie book, for a few glimpses more . . .
love,
THO"
...
So, obviously, Ed did have some plan for the other official [and not as yet revealed] clones. |
