| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| MerrikCale |
Posted - 11 Aug 2008 : 21:25:08
Some people have received their FR books and have posted the gods on the internet. Some now apparently gone include Mask, Shehanine, Shandaukul, Hanali, Deneir, Aerdie, Lurue, Set, Finder, and Yondalla
Who do you miss |
| 30 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| Nilus Reynard |
Posted - 15 Sep 2008 : 10:30:51
Will miss Finder the most, I grew to like him as a deity. Novak & Grubb did a damn good job bringing him to life in the novels I read. With this 100 year time jump, I would imagine his Chosen, Joel, has passed on. But what of the saurials that he watched over?
Of the others, I will miss Deneir & Mask. Was never a fan of Tyr or Helm, but they were still a part of the realms. So I imagine I will miss them as well.
On the up note, I see Beshaba is still there! That at least, makes me believe that not all is lost. |
| TheEasilyDiseased |
Posted - 14 Sep 2008 : 19:58:09
Helm, Mask and mystra, I'll miss Helm the most. |
| MerrikCale |
Posted - 14 Sep 2008 : 16:32:38
quote:
Originally posted by khorne
I can't believe Baker actually said that....
I wish it wasn't true |
| khorne |
Posted - 14 Sep 2008 : 16:27:49
quote:
Originally posted by Arioch
quote:
Originally posted by MerrikCale
I pulled this quote from a Rich Baker response over on the Wizard Boards.
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But is it really that important to most FR campaigns that there used to be a goddess of streams and ponds called Eldath?
This tells me that the design team over Wizards does not understand the Realms. They just don't get it. Plain and simple.
Agreed...
As strange as it may seems... It is Eldath one of the deity I'm gonna miss more!
(I remember a great PC Monk of Eldath: 14 levels without killing! ... something impossible in the 4ed?)
Needless to say, I was in the number of those hurted by that R. Baker response...
I can't believe Baker actually said that.... |
| Stout Heart |
Posted - 14 Sep 2008 : 16:07:52
quote:
Originally posted by Kiaransalyn
quote:
Originally posted by Quale
there won't be 4e Faiths and Pantheons, Rich said
Maybe there will be a book titled "Faith and Pantheon." Or maybe they issue a book called "The Complete Guide to God" in an attempt to recapture the edgy controversy that D&D had back in the 80's. If we're lucky there might even be a foreword by Jack Chick.
I didint fully understand this comment when it was first made but after reading the god section of 4e again for my self, as well as reading the last comment I do. I firmly agree with it and the revelation isint comforting. I have really been trying to let it grow on me but I'm going to have to do what some one else said and just ignore it as a whole. |
| Neil |
Posted - 14 Sep 2008 : 15:25:06
quote:
Originally posted by Stout Heart
So I just got finished looking at the list of gods for 4e again. So what halflings and gnomes don't pray anymore? Maybe they should just kill everything thing thats not a human and they can all be one big myth.
Well, it seems that a lot of the demihuman gods were actually human gods in disguise all along. So the gnomes will probably end up with Gond, and turn into tinker gnomes, and the halflings will end up with Chauntea. Then again, maybe they will die. After all, they did exterminate the entire populations of Mulhorand and Unther due to their inconveniant religious convictions.
Now that I think about it, the god I miss the most is Leira. |
| Stout Heart |
Posted - 14 Sep 2008 : 08:40:13
So I just got finished looking at the list of gods for 4e again. So what halflings and gnomes don't pray anymore? Maybe they should just kill everything thing thats not a human and they can all be one big myth. |
| Arioch |
Posted - 12 Sep 2008 : 09:27:38
quote:
Originally posted by MerrikCale
I pulled this quote from a Rich Baker response over on the Wizard Boards.
quote:
But is it really that important to most FR campaigns that there used to be a goddess of streams and ponds called Eldath?
This tells me that the design team over Wizards does not understand the Realms. They just don't get it. Plain and simple.
Agreed...
As strange as it may seems... It is Eldath one of the deity I'm gonna miss more!
(I remember a great PC Monk of Eldath: 14 levels without killing! ... something impossible in the 4ed?)
Needless to say, I was in the number of those hurted by that R. Baker response...
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| Alisttair |
Posted - 10 Sep 2008 : 18:23:36
You know, as time goes on, I miss Mystra more and more. |
| Ardashir |
Posted - 10 Sep 2008 : 17:30:31
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
quote:
But is it really that important to most FR campaigns that there used to be a goddess of streams and ponds called Eldath?
"Gahh! You've centuries of such dross! What care I for mortals now dust and realms long fallen?"
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I remember that quote.
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It kinda looks prophetic now, huh? |
| Ardashir |
Posted - 10 Sep 2008 : 17:16:18
quote:
Originally posted by Kairin
I miss Eilistraee. The idea of no Mask fills me with rage rather than sadness.
Heck, I liked all the drow deities -- but yes, the worst thing they did (among a lengthy list of horrible ideas) was to kill Eilistraee and Qilue. |
| keijemon |
Posted - 10 Sep 2008 : 16:42:01
I miss the Wall of the Faithless. Now when my characters are in fatalistic mood they can't say "all we are, are bricks in the Wall".
In case this is mistaken for sarcasm, I'm serious, I disliked the idea of serving in life only to serve even more in death. The idea of having your conscience erased and the energy of your soul stored and later reused for other purposes seemed more fair to me (circle of life and all). |
| The Red Walker |
Posted - 09 Sep 2008 : 16:38:12
quote:
Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan
Charles Phipps posted a chapter-to-chapter review of the FRCG on Wizard's boards. In his review of chapter 4 (Cosmology) he pointed out:
quote:
Ilmater: is back on Mount Celestia?!?! He never should have moved to Brightwater to begin with but what was the point of moving him if he's going to be back on Celestia to begin with (it's not Mount Celestia anymore anyway---or the House of the Triad)
...
* Siamorphe: Has come to serve Lathander (I refuse to call him Amaunator). She's not serving Sune anymore either? What is up with this? Was the whole Tyr/Tymora thing just sideshow theatre? Waukeen is also a servant of Lathander, curious.
So: Much Ado about Nothing.
Re-arranging deck chairs ehh? |
| The Red Walker |
Posted - 09 Sep 2008 : 16:37:35
quote:
Originally posted by Nemea of Nowhere
There are indeed a lot of deities to be missed in the 4E realms. I'm not going to say whether that should be considered an absolute mistake/wreck or a work of actual fiction where something bad happens. I will say I miss Mystra most of all, and much sympathy for one like Elminster, to have outlived his love and patron (er, are female deity backers "matrons"?) not once but TWICE (I know I wouldn't take it, but I also want him to stop being so depressed and tired. He's supposed to be Elminster).
Finally, and I may be reading this wrong, but where is Mask destroyed? I have the new campaign setting which everyone hates so much, and it mentions places he's influenced... anyway... whatever, will edit out when someone reminds me what I missed.
The last book of the current Erevis Cale trilogy is supposed to tell us what happens to Mask. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 09 Sep 2008 : 16:32:46
quote:
Originally posted by Nemea of Nowhere
Finally, and I may be reading this wrong, but where is Mask destroyed?
He may not be destroyed, but since he isn't mentioned in the 4E FR deity list, he is probably no longer a deity. |
| keijemon |
Posted - 09 Sep 2008 : 00:21:31
quote:
Originally posted by Nemea of Nowhere
(er, are female deity backers "matrons"?)
Let us be gender neutral and call them Sponsors, since they "invest" capital (spells/divine gifts) and in return get promotion. |
| Nemea of Nowhere |
Posted - 08 Sep 2008 : 23:40:13
There are indeed a lot of deities to be missed in the 4E realms. I'm not going to say whether that should be considered an absolute mistake/wreck or a work of actual fiction where something bad happens. I will say I miss Mystra most of all, and much sympathy for one like Elminster, to have outlived his love and patron (er, are female deity backers "matrons"?) not once but TWICE (I know I wouldn't take it, but I also want him to stop being so depressed and tired. He's supposed to be Elminster).
Finally, and I may be reading this wrong, but where is Mask destroyed? I have the new campaign setting which everyone hates so much, and it mentions places he's influenced... anyway... whatever, will edit out when someone reminds me what I missed.
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| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 08 Sep 2008 : 14:51:07
quote:
Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan
So: Much Ado about Nothing.
That's what it seems like. :-/ |
| Ayunken-vanzan |
Posted - 07 Sep 2008 : 20:20:08
Charles Phipps posted a chapter-to-chapter review of the FRCG on Wizard's boards. In his review of chapter 4 (Cosmology) he pointed out:
quote:
Ilmater: is back on Mount Celestia?!?! He never should have moved to Brightwater to begin with but what was the point of moving him if he's going to be back on Celestia to begin with (it's not Mount Celestia anymore anyway---or the House of the Triad)
...
* Siamorphe: Has come to serve Lathander (I refuse to call him Amaunator). She's not serving Sune anymore either? What is up with this? Was the whole Tyr/Tymora thing just sideshow theatre? Waukeen is also a servant of Lathander, curious.
So: Much Ado about Nothing. |
| Artemel |
Posted - 07 Sep 2008 : 18:15:50
Helm is and shall always remain, my characters number 1 choice for patron deity. Most of my characters don't adventure for personal gain, they adventure to protect everyone around them and they feel strongly about their peity to the god of guardians, the ever vigilant one. And to make him a page boy, as someone else mentioned, and to have 2 very wise deities duel over a mistake? Please, between Tyr and Helm, with Torm and Ilmater probably somewhere nearby... there would have been no duel. They would have realized it was a misunderstanding... and then maybe realized it was a setup and they'd go beat the snot out of Cyric or whoever it was that was trying to instigate this mess. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 06 Sep 2008 : 23:31:17
quote:
Originally posted by Chyron
Helm was my favorite. I was truly saddened by the way he was treated over the years (The Avatar Trilogy, Maztica, The Neverwinter Plague, etc).
You and me both--and a lot of others. That said, at least with regards to the plague in Neverwinter, the "Helmite" clerics spreading the plague turned out to be imposters. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 06 Sep 2008 : 23:29:34
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Well, I did say "maybe".
Okay Wooly... Whoops! I mean Rinonalyrna.  
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| Chyron |
Posted - 06 Sep 2008 : 16:27:07
Helm was my favorite. I was truly saddened by the way he was treated over the years (The Avatar Trilogy, Maztica, The Neverwinter Plague, etc). I kept hoping he would get some good writing to redeem him at some point. Then to add insult to injury someone made him (the god of guardians  ) into a page-boy of the gods who was somehow confounded by Cyric and slain by Tyr????
I don't know who made that decision, but they have singlehandedly ruined the realms for me with that result. I have been a dedicated fan since the original Ed stuff, but now seeing how all this played out I am simply dismayed. I just picked up the new FR campaign guide and there is not even an entry listed for him. I am sure there are others who feel the same way about their favorites too. Too many Chefs in the WOTC kitchen me thinks. It has been a fun ride to this point...but I won't be buying further products beyond this point. Excuse me while I curl up with my old Gray box set one last time.  |
| Kairin |
Posted - 06 Sep 2008 : 13:29:52
I miss Eilistraee. The idea of no Mask fills me with rage rather than sadness. |
| Caolin |
Posted - 06 Sep 2008 : 05:18:22
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
It's Deneir and Mystra for me.
I agree with you on that one. Some of my favorite realms characters we patrons of those two gods. It really sux that somedays I just wish that this whole thing was a bad dream and that I could wake up and it will all go back to normal. It seems like such a silly feeling for a work of fiction. But I've been invested in this world since I was 17 (34 now) and I hate the fact that someone has come in and ruined it. My only hope is that this is fiction and anything can happen.....maybe someday someone at WoTC will come to their senses....sigh. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 06 Sep 2008 : 00:30:40
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Well, I did say "maybe".
Okay Wooly... Whoops! I mean Rinonalyrna. |
| Stout Heart |
Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 18:29:43
I have a firm love for in belief in Lathander and the way the rising sun group was described in shadow storm I just don't understand why they would want to change Lathander into that type of god. I love Abelar Corrinthal and everything he stands for he is everything I hope to be I want his Lathander not this new god whos followers pray for dew at the deserts edge. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 17:42:52
Well, I did say "maybe". |
| The Sage |
Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 17:06:43
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
quote:
Originally posted by Neil
I'm not even sure if Talona is still a god.
If I recall correctly she's still around (maybe as an exarch) and is serving--you guessed it!--Shar.
No. Talona is still a god in the FRCG. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 16:54:47
quote:
Originally posted by Neil
I'm not even sure if Talona is still a god.
If I recall correctly she's still around (maybe as an exarch) and is serving--you guessed it!--Shar. |
