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| khorne |
Posted - 17 Jun 2008 : 14:35:41
I was wondering just now who is the oldest person in the realms. Not a god, but a mortal who has been around long enough that even the Sarrukh are young by comparison. Does such a being exist? |
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| Dennis |
Posted - 19 Jun 2013 : 14:13:34
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Originally posted by swifty
Who is the eldest
The leader of Xxiphu, the newly returned city of the ancient aboleths. |
| silverwolfer |
Posted - 18 Jun 2013 : 23:24:59
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Originally posted by Alenis
How about Iakhovas, the megaladon/were-shark/ whatever he was who instigated the Twelfth Seros War? He supposedly left the oceans of Toril at the very start of the Days of Thunder, but he was already old before then, hunting with a young Sekolah and having Umberlee fall in love with him.
In dragon 255, he was killed by a pally of lathander named Jherek.
Soujuner Died during the rain of fire
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| Mirtek |
Posted - 18 Jun 2013 : 21:24:46
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Originally posted by Razz
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
I'm sure there are all kinds of non-divine beings native to the Realms who have yet to make their presence known. The Sarrukh are a good call, though I suspect the oldest living/surviving being is some kind of aboleth or other aberration.
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Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan
Having searched on information about Larloch I found this on Forgotten Realms Wiki:
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Having survived the cataclysm that resulted from the death of Mystryl, Larloch values the goddess of magic—and the Weave she protects—very highly. Probably the only thing that could draw him out of his studies would be an imminent threat to Mystra or the Weave.
If this is canon, some recent developments in the reams are making even less sense.  This could have been so much fun: Larloch vs. Cyric trying to invade Dweomerheart ...
One more missed opportunity.
Oh, I don't know--just because he has reasons to WANT to do something about it doesn't mean he CAN.
I mean, if the *gods* couldn't stop Cyric, then why would Larloch have any more success? Whatever the Prince of Lies did in Dweomerheart, it must have been a doozy.
Though I certainly agree: Larloch vs. Cyric (avatar, anyway) would be a cool fight.
As for the non-avatar, the real deal, deity-in-the-flesh, which Cyric would probably have to be to kill Mystra . . . as mighty as Larloch is, I have no doubt that full-power Cyric could dust him. Because if he couldn't, and Larloch can beat greater deities, then why is uber-lich not a greater deity himself?
Cheers
Well I saw on another thread that Szass Tam used magic to bind Bane (of all deities, wow) and it is known Larloch is by far much more powerful and resourceful than Szass Tam, so wouldn't that mean Larloch should easily have been able to bind Cyric somehow?
Bane could have slain Tamm and escaped, it was just less bothersome to talk with him instead.
Anyway, even what Tam was able to do was way to much for a mortal to do to a greater deity
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Originally posted by Dennis
The Eldest is a good candidate. If I am remembering it right, in The Abolethic Sovereignty trilogy, he was said to be older (and more powerful) than Ao himself.
He's old, but not that powerful. In the trilogy he was called a being comparable to demigod power |
| swifty |
Posted - 18 Jun 2013 : 20:50:50
The history of toril is fairly tiny.comparing it to our history of billions of years.was there a specific reason for this. |
| Marc |
Posted - 18 Jun 2013 : 20:17:29
leShay claim to predate the current multiverse and refer darkly to some catastrophe that not only wiped out most of their people but changed time so that their era never existed, even in the remotest past. |
| swifty |
Posted - 18 Jun 2013 : 19:50:11
Who is the eldest |
| Dennis |
Posted - 18 Jun 2013 : 12:42:29
The Eldest is a good candidate. If I am remembering it right, in The Abolethic Sovereignty trilogy, he was said to be older (and more powerful) than Ao himself. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 18 Jun 2013 : 12:26:26
What applies to X may not apply to Y, especially when we’re talking about gods. I have nothing but respect for Szass Tam, but it’s still possible that Bane might have simply pretended to be bound so he could hear what the ambitious, insolent lich had to offer. Or perhaps the collapse of the Weave affected him so much that breaking the magical cage would cost him more harm than was actually necessary. |
| Razz |
Posted - 17 Jun 2013 : 22:56:07
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
I'm sure there are all kinds of non-divine beings native to the Realms who have yet to make their presence known. The Sarrukh are a good call, though I suspect the oldest living/surviving being is some kind of aboleth or other aberration.
quote:
Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan
Having searched on information about Larloch I found this on Forgotten Realms Wiki:
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Having survived the cataclysm that resulted from the death of Mystryl, Larloch values the goddess of magic—and the Weave she protects—very highly. Probably the only thing that could draw him out of his studies would be an imminent threat to Mystra or the Weave.
If this is canon, some recent developments in the reams are making even less sense. This could have been so much fun: Larloch vs. Cyric trying to invade Dweomerheart ...
One more missed opportunity.
Oh, I don't know--just because he has reasons to WANT to do something about it doesn't mean he CAN.
I mean, if the *gods* couldn't stop Cyric, then why would Larloch have any more success? Whatever the Prince of Lies did in Dweomerheart, it must have been a doozy.
Though I certainly agree: Larloch vs. Cyric (avatar, anyway) would be a cool fight.
As for the non-avatar, the real deal, deity-in-the-flesh, which Cyric would probably have to be to kill Mystra . . . as mighty as Larloch is, I have no doubt that full-power Cyric could dust him. Because if he couldn't, and Larloch can beat greater deities, then why is uber-lich not a greater deity himself?
Cheers
Well I saw on another thread that Szass Tam used magic to bind Bane (of all deities, wow) and it is known Larloch is by far much more powerful and resourceful than Szass Tam, so wouldn't that mean Larloch should easily have been able to bind Cyric somehow? |
| Ze |
Posted - 17 Jun 2013 : 12:05:20
So, summing it up, it looks like:
- Iakhovas - He supposedly left the oceans of Toril at the very start of the Days of Thunder (-35000 DR), but he was already old before then
- The Teraseer/King Oreme - around -33800 DR.
- Bazim-Gorag - around -31000 DR
- The ‘Hermit’ [great wyrm corpse tearer linnorn cleric] (Ruin p41,44-58) - Over 25,000 years old
- Araumycos - unknown - at least since -20000/-15000 DR but probably older
If one was looking for some old being to ask about ancient lore, his best bet would be the Terraseer, but 1) the OP would rather not have Sarrukhs, and 2) good luck with that anyway.
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| Alenis |
Posted - 17 Jun 2013 : 06:39:05
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Originally posted by coach
The ‘Hermit’ [great wyrm corpse tearer linnorn cleric] (Ruin p41,44-58)
a. Colossal size (Ruin p44)
b. Priest of unnamed deity, power behind darkness and undeath (Ruin p56)
c. Over 25,000 years old (Ruin p51-58)
d. Sage of ancient kingdoms (Ruin p58)
Coach, that's right, I nearly forgot about him. He supposedly was alive during the first Rage of the Dragons (that wound up destroying their empires). That would make him pretty old; when was the Dragon Rage Mythal created, -25,000 DR or so? |
| swifty |
Posted - 05 Jun 2013 : 10:57:47
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Originally posted by Dennis
Was it not mentioned in Dawn of Night that he was already around blasting worlds even before Toril was created?
think it mentioned something about him being at least 10000 years old. |
| Xar Zarath |
Posted - 05 Jun 2013 : 10:41:22
@Dennis: The Sojourner apparently left worlds in flame and slew flights of dragons. He also did not seem afraid if he had to fight Cyric. |
| coach |
Posted - 05 Jun 2013 : 00:30:09
The ‘Hermit’ [great wyrm corpse tearer linnorn cleric] (Ruin p41,44-58)
a. Colossal size (Ruin p44)
b. Priest of unnamed deity, power behind darkness and undeath (Ruin p56)
c. Over 25,000 years old (Ruin p51-58)
d. Sage of ancient kingdoms (Ruin p58) |
| Dennis |
Posted - 04 Jun 2013 : 14:39:06
Was it not mentioned in Dawn of Night that he was already around blasting worlds even before Toril was created? |
| Alenis |
Posted - 04 Jun 2013 : 14:34:11
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Originally posted by Thauranil
The Sojourner was also immensely ancient, so old that even his formidable magical powers could no longer sustain his life. While not necessarily the oldest being in the realms he was surely one who was listed amongst their number.
But he wasn't actually of Toril; he didn't originate there. He was merely one of many powerful beings that happened to show up there for one reason or another.
That being said, in my mind, he was one of the most powerful mortal-like beings out there in realmslore. You add an incredibly powerful wizard with an scary powerful student of the Invisible Art, and you have yourself a powerhouse. |
| Thauranil |
Posted - 04 Jun 2013 : 14:08:27
The Sojourner was also immensely ancient, so old that even his formidable magical powers could no longer sustain his life. While not necessarily the oldest being in the realms he was surely one who was listed amongst their number. |
| Xar Zarath |
Posted - 04 Jun 2013 : 11:56:22
Bazim-Gorag is also old. He is one of the Batrachi lords but later became a sort of planar entity when the Batrachi race fled to other planes. If i am not mistaken, he became a sort of "fiend" but I leave you scribes to figure it out. |
| Alenis |
Posted - 04 Jun 2013 : 07:19:58
How about Iakhovas, the megaladon/were-shark/ whatever he was who instigated the Twelfth Seros War? He supposedly left the oceans of Toril at the very start of the Days of Thunder, but he was already old before then, hunting with a young Sekolah and having Umberlee fall in love with him. |
| Lord Karsus |
Posted - 01 Jul 2008 : 03:55:19
-Note that it was the 'Toril' part that was inherently tied to his campaign. For example, the deities in his world were 'Torillian' deities. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 01 Jul 2008 : 01:14:19
And this from THO -
"Correct. Jeff did create and name Waukeen, and did name "the planet" Abeir-Toril.
The name "Faerűn" (which means "home" in a long-ago, forgotten language) refers to the main continent of the published Realms. Ed's thinking was that "everyone" knew about the land they lived in, and its boundary seas, but not every culture "of today," Realmstime, knew it was on a spherical planet. There are various names among the Netherese, modern Halruaans, elves, etc, for the planet, but there was no one commonly-accepted one.
TSR needed an "official" label. Jeff was the handler, traffic cop, and "TSR end" of the Realms, and provided one. As with everything, he checked with Ed, and Ed said: fine. Sure. Go ahead.
love,
THO"
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This from Jeff -
"I remember mentioning elsewhere that the Abeir-Toril title means "cradle of life" in an archaic tongue. While I never stated which was which, I always assumed that "toril" was the word for life and "abeir" was the word for originator, cradle, or home." |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 30 Jun 2008 : 17:24:49
Here's a quote from Ed, from the now-defunct Yet Another Forgotten Realms website:
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Jeff contributed the name of the planet (Toril, to which he added the prefix Abeir to shift the world entry to the front of the alphabetical listings in the Old Grey Box) from his campaign. I had no world name because the folks in Faerun knew they lived on something that curved, but considered it all one land. Jeff also added a god (Waukeen), and reshaped everything into official rules format. (The gods from Jeff's own campaign had already been used in the Dragonlance setting, I believe.) Jeff and I became very close friends, and he managed the hard task of turning all the Realmslore I sent in to TSR every week (until they yelled at me to stop) into a coherent setting with both wit and humor. I can't thank him enough.
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| Hawkins |
Posted - 30 Jun 2008 : 17:12:20
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Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
As far as I know, until 2007 no one had ever publicly suggested that Abeir was anything other than Toril itself.
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Originally posted on Wikipedia
Toril was the name of Jeff Grubb's campaign world, and it was adopted as the name of the planet with the continent Faerűn when he and Ed Greenwood were designing the original Forgotten Realms Boxed Set in 1987. Abeir- was added as a prefix so that the world's name was placed at the beginning of an alphabetical encyclopedia.
Can anyone confirm the quoted part from Wikipedia? (Just to make sure I am not being confusing, I quoted the bit from Wikipedia to support your statement, Jamallo.) |
| Jamallo Kreen |
Posted - 29 Jun 2008 : 01:48:50
I have relatively little information on the following people, and with the exception of Omo, they may have a Divine Rank of 0 ... or not; specialist sages must provide us with the details for the perfection of our knowledge.
If he is still on Toril and has not been destroyed by some means, Lanaxis, first (?) of the titans, is probably well over 25,000 years old, and may be older than the Kings Oreme. His two younger brothers, Dunmore and Arno-Julian, if still in existence, would also both be in the 20,000 to 30,000 year range.
The "titan thane Omo" is a mysterious personage. I don't think that we have ever learned from whence he came or whether or not he died nor whether or not he was divine (or pre-divine, as are the Titans of Earth and of Scarn). The original pdf of the Grand History placed him after the mating of Annam and Othea, which means that he was probably a son or grandson of Lanaxis; the print version, however, places him before Annam and Othea got it on, which makes his nature mysterious and may well mean that he was not a native of Toril, as were/are Lanaxis and his brothers.
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| Jamallo Kreen |
Posted - 25 Jun 2008 : 16:33:59
I was also waiting for someone to mention Abeir.
As far as I know, until 2007 no one had ever publicly suggested that Abeir was anything other than Toril itself. Mr. James's excellent A Temporal Chronology of the Primes contains no suggestion otherwise.
All of which is beside the point, for ATCotP doesn't mention the sarrukh, either.
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| The Sage |
Posted - 25 Jun 2008 : 15:49:36
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James
Abeir? 
Should I be afraid that you made that connection Brian?   |
| Alisttair |
Posted - 25 Jun 2008 : 14:17:52
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James
Abeir?
No, definitely not!
S'too bad, that would make the whole Abeir thing even more interesting. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 25 Jun 2008 : 14:13:33
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James
Abeir?
No, definitely not! |
| Brian R. James |
Posted - 25 Jun 2008 : 14:10:18
Abeir?
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Originally posted by The Sage
Indeed. Ed, in Stormlight, suggested that Bane, who used to be a mortal before he ascended to godhood, might have been born on another world, far different and far removed from Toril.
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| The Sage |
Posted - 25 Jun 2008 : 06:08:41
Indeed. Ed, in Stormlight, suggested that Bane, who used to be a mortal before he ascended to godhood, might have been born on another world, far different and far removed from Toril.
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