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| Alaundo |
Posted - 25 Mar 2003 : 08:49:37
Well Met
Ahem, looking through some of the latest scrolls and tomes within the library, I noticed a sudden influx of "me too" style entries and such. Please try to refrain from such writings as they are generally unnecessary and distracting.
Some of you Learned Scribes should know better too 
Ouch!  Who threw that?!?  |
| 30 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| zemd |
Posted - 22 May 2003 : 20:53:19
And that was a joke to answer yours...
<zemd leaves the room (again!)>
I whin?  |
| Artalis |
Posted - 22 May 2003 : 20:46:36
quote:
Originally posted by zemd
<zemd looks at Artalis frowning>
Stop whining!!! What do you mean by that!!!
And BTW, i'm working on a new version of Nighteyes, he'll be ready soon... It'll worth the waiting
<zemd leaves the room grumbling>
whining...
I was referring to your complaint aobut reopening the thread, oh most wonderful and kindly of scribes.
It was meant as a joke. Please forgive me if I offended you.
(My, my some of the scribes seem a little grumpy these days...) |
| zemd |
Posted - 22 May 2003 : 19:47:31
<zemd looks at Artalis frowning>
Stop whining!!! What do you mean by that!!!
And BTW, i'm working on a new version of Nighteyes, he'll be ready soon... It'll worth the waiting
<zemd leaves the room grumbling>
whining... |
| Cult_Leader |
Posted - 22 May 2003 : 16:20:23
I think that most of my posts have been more or less all talking about realms things. Or things that needed to be talked about. I think actually this is my first post thats more or less not needed  Sides. All my posts have to help me slowly try to take over the scribes.... and THEN THE WORLD * Shaking his fist a bit* But until then Im happy taking over this here ice box *Gets himself soemthing to eat* |
| Bookwyrm |
Posted - 22 May 2003 : 14:14:49
quote:
Originally posted by Sage of Perth
You have piqued the Sage's curiosity.
Anyone care to elaborate on the nature of these named missing "scrolls" that are owed?. Perhaps the Sage of Perth can provide any of the information on these scrolls that are needed by Artalis.
If you can, I'll be  shocked. In my case, at least, it's something that I wrote myself (a character profile). |
| Artalis |
Posted - 22 May 2003 : 13:38:24
quote:
Originally posted by Sage of Perth
You have piqued the Sage's curiosity.
Anyone care to elaborate on the nature of these named missing "scrolls" that are owed?. Perhaps the Sage of Perth can provide any of the information on these scrolls that are needed by Artalis.
Good learning...
- The Sage of Perth: For all your Realms Lore needs
The scrolls of mention are not anything you would be able to provide Oh Sagely One.
The scroll "owed" by zemd is the conversion of the character Nighteyes from 2nd edition to 3rd edition. For some silly reason zemd volunteered for this truly horrendous task but I was told that more or less it is finished and merely awaits being transcribed into data format and to be sent to me. I should probably shut up about it since zemd is doing me a HUGE favor by converting him. (Nighteyes is a very complicated fellow)
The other scroll "owed" by Bookwyrm is his characters history, kind of so that we can compare notes and whatnot.
So, no, nothing you can help with. Thanks for the offer though. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 22 May 2003 : 08:32:42
You have piqued the Sage's curiosity.
Anyone care to elaborate on the nature of these named missing "scrolls" that are owed?. Perhaps the Sage of Perth can provide any of the information on these scrolls that are needed by Artalis.
Good learning...
- The Sage of Perth: For all your Realms Lore needs
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| Artalis |
Posted - 21 May 2003 : 22:56:49
quote:
Originally posted by Bookwyrm
Are you talking to me or Zemd? Because I know I owe you a certain scroll . . . .
[Bookwyrm makes another mark on his To Do scroll.]
Actually you both do! |
| Bookwyrm |
Posted - 21 May 2003 : 22:42:21
Are you talking to me or Zemd? Because I know I owe you a certain scroll . . . .
[Bookwyrm makes another mark on his To Do scroll.] |
| Artalis |
Posted - 21 May 2003 : 19:29:42
quote:
Originally posted by zemd
Did you really need to active this topic again?! 
Hey pipe down over there! Quit whining zemd, since you'd be one of the first on my list for "super scribe" status you should be thrilled Bookie's on the case! Funny though I seem to be missing a scroll you promised me a couple of months ago....
hmmm....lemme see Aasimars were referenced in book 234 on pages 1288 thru 1344 and in book.... |
| Bookwyrm |
Posted - 17 May 2003 : 00:34:34
Sorry Zemd. I almost made a new topic to do that, but decided since the part I was referring to was here, I'd just post to it again. |
| zemd |
Posted - 16 May 2003 : 16:53:51
Did you really need to active this topic again?! |
| Bookwyrm |
Posted - 16 May 2003 : 10:53:57
Well, I see no voting booth yet . . . not that it's election time around here for a while (thank goodness! )
Anyway, I've just been wanting to make two votes of my own: Artalis, for being a nice, helpful, and all-around nice guy (he's given me LOTS of stuff); and also Sage of Perth, who, despite being such a copycat, is also a very good contributer. |
| Malice |
Posted - 28 Apr 2003 : 23:01:48
quote:
Originally posted by branmakmuffin
Malice, are you aware that your new avatar looks like one of the alternate Valen protraits from Wesley Weimer's "Valen the Vampire" BG II mod?
::sings to himself:: la, la, la! What, me? Are you accusing me of takeing Valen's picture?? Never!! La, la, la! ((actually, yes. ::looks innocent:: what?? Valen looks almost exactly as I first pictured Malice! ...i just edited it a...a little. ::sings to self again:: La, la, la! |
| branmakmuffin |
Posted - 28 Apr 2003 : 18:38:06
Artalis:
quote:
I would have preferred positive reinforcement ie better titles for better contributors etc. For example IMO Mumadar should have the highest rank (whatever it may be Candlekeep Scholar does have a nice ring to it though) because his posts are ALWAYS relevant, insightful and informative. I have tried (and failed somewhat) to follow in his footsteps as far as posting goes. Such a system encourages good posting habits.
Alternately we could just do away with the rank system altogether like branmakmuffin seems to suggest...
I take this place seriously, perhaps too much so...hmmm more later
I don't mention this to be a smart ass, just to illustrate that nothing is always true.
I didn't mean to give the impression that I think titles should be eliminated, just that I (and others, I belive) don't care about titles or post counts that much. If they're there, OK, if they are eliminated, that's OK too.
Malice, are you aware that your new avatar looks like one of the alternate Valen portraits from Wesley Weimer's "Valen the Vampire" BG II mod? |
| Malice |
Posted - 28 Apr 2003 : 14:02:30
I like the idea of a 'voting booth'; its a more imaginitive way of chooosing the scribe titles. I think you should go for it. |
| Alaundo |
Posted - 27 Apr 2003 : 17:48:19
Well Met
Hmmmm, well we could open the Voting Booth for such a function. Were currently considering the Scribe title method, going on a number of suggestions which some of you have thrown at us. Ill let you know of any developments.
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| Bookwyrm |
Posted - 27 Apr 2003 : 17:39:10
Okay, here's what I'm thinking now. Can we set up a thing to vote on it? I propose we set up a monthly (perhaps, maybe bimonthly) vote on who is the best contributer. This system, as I am invisioning it, would work something like this:
We each get a certain number of votes. No more than three -- in fact, I'd prefer just one. If a multiple vote system is used, the seperate votes should not be used for the same person twice.
This would be used to indicate a single scribe that the voter consideres worth a certain title (I like Artalis' suggestion, but that's as open as the rest of this), and not to include him- or herself.
This vote would be sent in by email, to ensure privacy of the vote, through the email used to register at this site. (Suggestion: all votes would be made in the subject line, so as to facilitate operations of the Head Scribes by not forcing them to open each email.)
Any vote(s) by that person that are sent in a second time during the same voting period would be used to overwrite the old vote. (For instance, if you change your mind.)
Any who receive a certain amount or more of votes gets to be a [insert title here] for the next voting period.
Just thought I'd throw that one on the floor to be considered.
(Hey! Watch where you're stepping!) |
| Artalis |
Posted - 17 Apr 2003 : 13:51:41
quote:
Originally posted by Rad
Theyre all very good ideas but I think its a bit sad that its really come to this. Im not one for bombarding the forum with posts just for he post count increase and I must say that when Mumadar was the first to make it to Learned Scribe, it was a great achievement and many other scribes sent their congratulations...which were very well deserved as Mumadars posts are extremely high quality IMO.
However, I feel that a few other Learned Scribes have flooded the forum lately with meaningless posts and its tarnished the title system of the forum. It has lost a little respect but it is nice to see you advance in title.... if you know youve deserved it. No im not getting at you Bookwyrm , and I didnt really think you had offended lately either, I have an idea who Alaundo refers too, they just seemed to have slipped off the rails a little . Anyway, I dont want to start a flame war and I hope something can be worked out and restore the library to its former glory.
Thats my 2cp worth.....as a famed Scribe within these halls always says
Well I suppose it doesn't really matter but this is what I think.
I think that the old system would have been fine if the scribes policed themselves but we are not. So I guess the solution is for the moderators to take a heavier hand in moderating. Rap the knuckles of the offenders a couple of times by either deleting their posts or editing them or something.
I would have preferred positive reinforcement ie better titles for better contributors etc. For example IMO Mumadar should have the highest rank (whatever it may be Candlekeep Scholar does have a nice ring to it though) because his posts are ALWAYS relevant, insightful and informative. I have tried (and failed somewhat) to follow in his footsteps as far as posting goes. Such a system encourages good posting habits.
Alternately we could just do away with the rank system altogether like branmakmuffin seems to suggest...
I take this place seriously, perhaps too much so...hmmm more later |
| Lord Rad |
Posted - 17 Apr 2003 : 12:06:38
Theyre all very good ideas but I think its a bit sad that its really come to this. Im not one for bombarding the forum with posts just for he post count increase and I must say that when Mumadar was the first to make it to Learned Scribe, it was a great achievement and many other scribes sent their congratulations...which were very well deserved as Mumadars posts are extremely high quality IMO.
However, I feel that a few other Learned Scribes have flooded the forum lately with meaningless posts and its tarnished the title system of the forum. It has lost a little respect but it is nice to see you advance in title.... if you know youve deserved it. No im not getting at you Bookwyrm , and I didnt really think you had offended lately either, I have an idea who Alaundo refers too, they just seemed to have slipped off the rails a little . Anyway, I dont want to start a flame war and I hope something can be worked out and restore the library to its former glory.
Thats my 2cp worth.....as a famed Scribe within these halls always says |
| Yasraena |
Posted - 17 Apr 2003 : 01:27:53
Originally posted by zemd:
quote:
You could add an option when posting a post. We check a box if we think that our post should increase our account.
But wouldn't that defeat the purpose of having it in the first place? We shouldn't be able to police ourselves you know. It should be up to someone other than us to decide that.
I guess we just have to wait and see what the 'powers that be' have to say about what they're going to do about it.
For what it's worth, I really like both of Artalis' ideas the best. A secret vote of the senior members. And then those appointed decide from then on. Brilliant!
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| branmakmuffin |
Posted - 17 Apr 2003 : 00:43:22
Maybe we need to have a vote of who cares what their post count and/or title are. I don't care. Lots of others don't care. Unlike another site that shall remain nameless (but is based on this book, oops, how'd that URL get in there?) "rank" means little here, which is nice.
I'm not saying I'd like to see it eliminated, since some people like it, I'm just saying some folks don't care. |
| Bookwyrm |
Posted - 16 Apr 2003 : 23:15:38
quote:
Originally posted by Artalis
And that certain scribes might see a demotion as a result of this...
You've got something against me, don't you! Admit it, you're jealous, aren't you!?
 Hehe, just kidding.
I'm glad you weren't singling me out, Alaundo, but I know I've been going off-topic a lot lately. I don't consider the banter to be bad, though, unless all that a scribe posts is banter, and never posts anything that contributes to the forum.
I agree with Artalis and Yasraena, the rank of Learned Scribe doesn't have that same aura to it anymore -- especially after I got into it. (Obviously, you'll let just anyone in! )
Now, Sadon mentioned to me that over at Skullport they award ranks to people that don't have anything to do with post count. I haven't seen it, but I know that it's possible here. I've seen some very strange ranks in the Grand Scroll of Members. Monus is listed as "Boy of the West," Nighteyes as "Megilindir Val’istar," and Kelazequan Ketheril is the "Ranger of Elventree."
So my vote (since Artalis is handing you more work anyway ) is for titles to be kept the same, but they get replaced by seperate, unique titles based on the quality of the scribe, should the Head Scribes feel (s)he is worthy of such a thing.
Anyone else? |
| Artalis |
Posted - 16 Apr 2003 : 22:57:29
quote:
Originally posted by Alaundo
Well Met
quote:
Originally posted by Artalis
<snipped>
Thanks for listening.
::Holds head in hands despairing at the task list handed by Artalis::
Perhaps then an alternative; Maybe the aforementioned Candlekeep Staff could decide upon who would be considered for the illustrious title of "Learned Scribe" (or whatever it is to be called) initially.
After that perhaps the decision could fall to those same Learned Scribes about when and who has contributed sufficiently to have earned a title above and beyond the common apprentice level.
I would be willing to work with some folk on this and develop suggested criteria.(and don't worry I don't think I am really worthy of the title yet either. |
| Alaundo |
Posted - 16 Apr 2003 : 22:50:28
Well Met
quote:
Originally posted by Artalis
I think that using the post count WAS a good idea initially, but not so much now.
My opinion is that the senior members of the Candlekeep Crew should have a secret vote as to whom would be considered a learned scribe.
If someone didn't make learned scribe it wouldn't be a big deal because they didn't know there was a vote at all and they wouldn't know who to whine about. The criteria should be a mystery so that all the scribes try really hard to meet the mystery "quota" or whatever. IE post relevancy, timeliness, new thread creation and so on.
I also think that a scribe should only be considered a candidate for Learned Scribe after being a contributing member for a certain period of time say, 6 months or something. Note that I said "contributing member".
The only problems with this system (as I see it) is that it puts even more responsibility/work on the shoulders of Alaundo and company. And that certain scribes might see a demotion as a result of this...
However perhaps a new title could be created to replace Learned Scribe with Candlekeep Scholar or something.
Just letting some air out of my head....
Thanks for listening.
::Holds head in hands despairing at the task list handed by Artalis::
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| zemd |
Posted - 16 Apr 2003 : 21:50:00
I totally agree with Artalis! |
| Artalis |
Posted - 16 Apr 2003 : 21:42:24
I think that using the post count WAS a good idea initially, but not so much now.
My opinion is that the senior members of the Candlekeep Crew should have a secret vote as to whom would be considered a learned scribe.
If someone didn't make learned scribe it wouldn't be a big deal because they didn't know there was a vote at all and they wouldn't know who to whine about. The criteria should be a mystery so that all the scribes try really hard to meet the mystery "quota" or whatever. IE post relevancy, timeliness, new thread creation and so on.
I also think that a scribe should only be considered a candidate for Learned Scribe after being a contributing member for a certain period of time say, 6 months or something. Note that I said "contributing member".
The only problems with this system (as I see it) is that it puts even more responsibility/work on the shoulders of Alaundo and company. And that certain scribes might see a demotion as a result of this...
However perhaps a new title could be created to replace Learned Scribe with Candlekeep Scholar or something.
Just letting some air out of my head....
Thanks for listening. |
| zemd |
Posted - 16 Apr 2003 : 21:01:51
You could add an option when posting a post. We check a box if we think that our post should increase our account. Then, when we read it the topic we see for example: Posted "Posted - 25 Mar 2003 : 08:49:37, increased" or "Posted - 25 Mar 2003 : 08:49:37 didn't increase"
You see what i mean? |
| Avaly |
Posted - 16 Apr 2003 : 20:43:35
Hail and Honor,
As you can see I have been here for a short while and my postings are usually to the welcome forum or the Inn, because I am an elf in training of the FR books as well as knowledge. I spend a lot of time reading the scrolls and gathering information from them. I do try to avoid posting in the knowledge forums since I feel that I have still a lot more to learn, but as I read through them and see personal bantering back and forth, I don't find them offensive and often laugh to myself on the comments I have seen. I would love to see my number of postings go up, but again, it is not important enough for me to just add something to just add something for a number. I believe the others don't do it as well, but only see the fun they are having while replying. I believe most off topic things are harmless and that a reminder just gets everyone back in line and shape up a bit. I have grown to love this place since Mumadar mentioned this site to me a couple of months ago. I hate to see anyone leave over a misunderstanding or different point of view, but sometimes it is the last straw and it is just enough for some to move on. I hope that Echon will look over the postings and see the apologies as well these comments to see him come back and decide to reappear in our halls. Again, this is just a view of a new person in town.
Honor to all,
Avaly Nightstar
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| Yasraena |
Posted - 16 Apr 2003 : 19:37:17
First off, I have to say again that the off topic and personal banter in the posts doesn't bother me anymore than the last time this came up.
Buuut...it now bothers me that the post counts get increased by such. When I see the titles anymore, they just don't mean the same thing as I thought they did when I first came here. It seems to me that the 'titles' that each of us have next to our avatars refelct only the amount of posts and not the relevance of them (on topic, or not). Maybe the site admins should think about doing away with them altogether, and maybe put our class name or something similar instead, because as it stands, all 'Learned Scribe' means to me now is that the person just has a lot to say, relevant or not.
Is there any way to remedy this other than reading every single post and deciding on a individual basis that it should reflect their post count based on the content? I'd really like for the titles to actually mean something more than just how many times you've posted. |
