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| Aglaranna |
Posted - 29 Dec 2006 : 16:46:22
Well, my usual philosophy is "Observe until you figure it out", but I got impatient. Hee hee. So, where'd the idea for truename come about, and what's it for? How do you know what your truenameis? And no...I'm not telling you mine! |
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 02 Jan 2007 : 17:23:28
quote:
Originally posted by Tyr
Ariel Manx isn't Midnight's truename, its her actual name, atleast thats how I see it.
She flat out said that it was her true name. |
| Tyr |
Posted - 02 Jan 2007 : 15:50:39
Yeah, I think the truename is the name given to your essence/spirit/whatever when you are first created and before you are actually born. Rather than your normal name that your character's parents give them or they take up for themselves.
Ariel Manx isn't Midnight's truename, its her actual name, atleast thats how I see it. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 02 Jan 2007 : 04:29:26
Yes, there is.
'Tis the Oghmanyte ceremony known as "The Naming" whereupon a child follower of Oghma, when reaching the age of 12, is told his/her "True Name" that is said to represent the follower's true essence.
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| Daviot |
Posted - 02 Jan 2007 : 03:30:44
And if memory serves, there's at least a mention of truenames under Oghma in the Faiths and Pantheons sourcebook. I just don't have it handy currently. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 01 Jan 2007 : 23:59:48
Oh, and I forgot... Ed also describes a few specific truenames for certain Realms NPCs and how they function for them in his compiled replies here at Candlekeep -- specifically the '04 and '06 files.
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| Aglaranna |
Posted - 01 Jan 2007 : 21:32:31
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
See Volo's Guide to All Things Magical and Seven Sisters also. The Book of Exalted Deeds also has a small section on truenames.
And Volo's Guide to All Things Magical (formerly a suppressed work  ) is available for free from the Wizards downloads page. 
And since we all love Volo...*clicks link* |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 01 Jan 2007 : 20:57:51
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
See Volo's Guide to All Things Magical and Seven Sisters also. The Book of Exalted Deeds also has a small section on truenames.
And Volo's Guide to All Things Magical (formerly a suppressed work ) is available for free from the Wizards downloads page. |
| Marc |
Posted - 30 Dec 2006 : 14:04:05
quote:
Originally posted by Aglaranna
So, where'd the idea for truename come about
In addition to what Kuje said, ancient cities like Rome also had a sort of a true name, the real name of the city was kept secret by high priests (pontifex maximus). They believed that if their enemies would learn the name the consequences would be catastophic
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| The Sage |
Posted - 30 Dec 2006 : 00:55:36
quote:
Originally posted by Kuje
quote:
Originally posted by Kes_Alanadel
I thought that there was a Dragon article about true names as well, but for the life of me, I can't find it on my bookshelf.......
Denouncements: Truenames, "Power of Truenames, The", by Mark Jackman, issue 346, page (88), for 3e.
or
Fetishes: For characters with truenames, "Truenames and Fetishes: The Power and the Peril", by Philip M. Greeley, issue 317, page (42), for 3e.
or
Truenames, "Truenames and Fetishes: The Power and the Peril", Philip M. Greeley, issue 317, page (38), for 3e.
According to the Dragondex. :)
There's also the Tome of Magic 3.5e sourcebook that has a whole chapter of true name magic.
Also, Ed's thoughts on truenames:- http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Castle/2566/ed-truenames.htm
See Volo's Guide to All Things Magical and Seven Sisters also. The Book of Exalted Deeds also has a small section on truenames.
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| Besshalar |
Posted - 29 Dec 2006 : 22:24:39
I think the Fr truenames need to be spied or cheated out of their owners but yes in Earthsea Sparrowhawk (Ged) was extremely good at making educated guesses on peoples truenames...
As an addendum to my previous post :Oh and do not I repeat DO NOT just watch the scifi channel produced load of hogwash..... |
| Aureus |
Posted - 29 Dec 2006 : 21:50:01
you can find them out simply by observing people ;)
the main character in Earthsea was pretty good at it if I remember correctly
tell me what I am |
| Aglaranna |
Posted - 29 Dec 2006 : 21:33:41
Why, thank you! Sorry about the hysterics...I'm a nervous wreck and now we all know it...But sometimes I wonder how certain things get thrown into the Realms. Ah, the curse of not being omniscent.
p.s. Are you sure I can't know your truename?  |
| Besshalar |
Posted - 29 Dec 2006 : 19:07:00
And for nonrealmsian take on truenames read the Earthsea novels by Ursula Leguin.
Edit: The first four books are definite recommended reading for any fantasybuff anyhow. |
| Kuje |
Posted - 29 Dec 2006 : 18:42:17
quote:
Originally posted by Kes_Alanadel
*Grin* Thanks much Kuje. I thought I was losing what little mind I had left. The Truenames and Fetishes article was the one I was thinking of.
(Figures that I was posting the same time you were editing)
Grin.
Well, we can't have you losing what little sanity you have left. :) |
| Kes_Alanadel |
Posted - 29 Dec 2006 : 18:33:36
*Grin* Thanks much Kuje. I thought I was losing what little mind I had left. The Truenames and Fetishes article was the one I was thinking of.
(Figures that I was posting the same time you were editing) |
| Kuje |
Posted - 29 Dec 2006 : 18:30:18
quote:
Originally posted by Kes_Alanadel
I thought that there was a Dragon article about true names as well, but for the life of me, I can't find it on my bookshelf.......
Denouncements: Truenames, "Power of Truenames, The", by Mark Jackman, issue 346, page (88), for 3e.
or
Fetishes: For characters with truenames, "Truenames and Fetishes: The Power and the Peril", by Philip M. Greeley, issue 317, page (42), for 3e.
or
Truenames, "Truenames and Fetishes: The Power and the Peril", Philip M. Greeley, issue 317, page (38), for 3e.
According to the Dragondex. :)
There's also the Tome of Magic 3.5e sourcebook that has a whole chapter of true name magic. |
| Kes_Alanadel |
Posted - 29 Dec 2006 : 18:19:21
I thought that there was a Dragon article about true names as well, but for the life of me, I can't find it on my bookshelf....... |
| Kuje |
Posted - 29 Dec 2006 : 18:15:59
quote:
Originally posted by Aureus
Ah, now I get it
Drizzt was able to summon Errtu (is the spelling right?) because he knew the demon true name, dispite the fact that he can't cast any spells, only his drow spell-like abilities (sorry if I spoiled)
often the name describs what the being or how it behaves, for exemple my D&D char's name is Aureus because he has a heart of gold (of course not literally you greedy dwarfs:P), meaning that he is a nice guy (aureus is latin and means "golden" for those who didn't know, but that's just excuse to me i just like the sound of the word) and my char's pet is Imbellia which is latin for "unfit for war", the wolf is a free hunter, not a killing tool like a soldier (again that's just an excuse, I just liked the word, in fact I looked in a latin dictionarie for something I could use as a name and Imbellia had a nice ring, got it? ;))
Pretty much, yup. :)
Alchemists and the early magicians and pagans basically had/have true names for animals, plants, elements (not to be confused with the elements of science), beings on other planes, etc. |
| Aureus |
Posted - 29 Dec 2006 : 18:00:31
Ah, now I get it
Drizzt was able to summon Errtu (is the spelling right?) because he knew the demon true name, dispite the fact that he can't cast any spells, only his drow spell-like abilities (sorry if I spoiled)
often the name describs what the being is and/or how it behaves
for exemple my D&D char's name is Aureus because he has a heart of gold (of course not literally you greedy dwarfs:P), meaning that he is a nice guy (aureus is latin and means "golden" for those who didn't know, but that's just excuse to me i just like the sound of the word) and my char's pet is Imbellia which is latin for "unfit for war", the wolf is a free hunter, not a killing tool like a soldier (again that's just an excuse, I just liked the word, in fact I looked in a latin dictionarie for something I could use as a name and Imbellia had a nice ring, got it? ;)) |
| Kuje |
Posted - 29 Dec 2006 : 17:30:55
quote:
Originally posted by Aglaranna
But Kuje, I'm still confused! How is that supposed to work? I'm trying hard not to break down in hysterics here!
I don't think any of us can give you a straight answer. Like was said above, true names are sometimes your spirit/soul, but it could also just be how you are named... Most modern pagans and or Wiccans also choose a magical name for themselves, which is basically the same concept of a true name, but there's no set system on how to do so. (And no, I'm not telling you mine.  )
But most true name/magical name concepts from Earth is just like what was in the ToT novel. If you know the persons true name/magical name, you have power over them and can control them. A lot of creatures from Earth's myths had/have true names, which you needed to know to summon them. Which is why that is still carried over into D&D for the beings on the planes. Etc.
I'm really not that comfortable discussing the Earth version of true names/magical names on the boards, but you were only getting a few answers, so I jumped into this topic. |
| Delzounblood |
Posted - 29 Dec 2006 : 17:24:59
quote:
Originally posted by Aglaranna
quote:
Originally posted by Aureus
first name or entire name?
Like in the Avatar Trilogy; Midnight's truename was Ariel Manx. Cyric overheard this and intended to controll her by it.
But Kuje, I'm still confused! How is that supposed to work? I'm trying hard not to break down in hysterics here!
Isn't your true name a name given to your soul by your god? or something.
I always thought it refered to your soul or spirit.
Delz
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| Aglaranna |
Posted - 29 Dec 2006 : 17:22:38
quote:
Originally posted by Aureus
first name or entire name?
Like in the Avatar Trilogy; Midnight's truename was Ariel Manx. Cyric overheard this and intended to controll her by it.
But Kuje, I'm still confused! How is that supposed to work? I'm trying hard not to break down in hysterics here! |
| Kuje |
Posted - 29 Dec 2006 : 17:16:34
Pagan myths of Earth, basically. A lot of the old religions had/have the concept of true names. Big surprise there since D&D draws on a huge amount of pagan lore. Christian myth has some references to Gods true name as well. Alchemists and other early scientists/magicians used true names for different materials, beings, etc. Plus many different fantasy novels have used the concept.
As for how to figure it out.... I don't think there's a set way. :) |
| Aureus |
Posted - 29 Dec 2006 : 16:48:20
first name or entire name? |
