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| aragorn II |
Posted - 10 May 2004 : 19:04:39
What are the names and bonuses/penalties/other information of each of the subraces of the races of Toril? Second Editon, please. |
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| Sarta |
Posted - 22 Jun 2004 : 04:01:52
They probably wouldn't have any problems with the Star Elves should they come into contact with them.
Sarta |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 22 Jun 2004 : 01:54:26
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Gold elves aren't particularly fond of moon elves.
Is there another subrace that golds are fond of? |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 22 Jun 2004 : 00:59:42
quote:
Originally posted by aragorn II
Are there feuds and hatreds beteween different subraces?
Gold elves aren't particularly fond of moon elves. |
| Kuje |
Posted - 21 Jun 2004 : 22:05:48
quote:
Originally posted by aragorn II
Are there feuds and hatreds beteween different subraces?
Labalas and Clanngedin is the one that comes to mind because of thier arguement in the Time of Troubles. Of course Lloth and the Seldarine as well....... |
| aragorn II |
Posted - 21 Jun 2004 : 21:50:51
Are there feuds and hatreds beteween different subraces? |
| Kuje |
Posted - 15 Jun 2004 : 20:53:56
quote:
Originally posted by aragorn II
Are there deities of different subraces, or just for different races?
Aerdrie for winged elves.
Corellon for sun elves.
Deep Sashelas for sea elves.
Rillifane for wild/wood elves.
Sehanine for moon elves.
Lloth for dark elves.
Dumathoin for shield dwarves.
Laduguer for gray dwarves.
Moradin for all dwarves.
Thard Harr for wild dwarves.
Baervan for forest gnomes.
Callarduran for deep gnomes.
Garl for the gnome race.
Segojan for rock gnomes.
Urdlen for spriggans.
Yondalla for the halfling race.
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| aragorn II |
Posted - 15 Jun 2004 : 20:42:33
Are there deities of different subraces, or just for different races? |
| Tethtoril |
Posted - 09 Jun 2004 : 23:16:45
 *Tethtoril recaps his ink remover* 
What do you know, it worked and the scroll is a neater, happier place again. 
Not sure what happened here folks, but if it does again ... you are going to wish all I used was my staff of the irritated moderator. 
Tethtoril hides something benath his robes.
Now please, respect each other and the halls of learning.  |
| Sarelle |
Posted - 09 Jun 2004 : 19:41:01
No problem. We all get a bit grouchy at the world sometimes. |
| aragorn II |
Posted - 09 Jun 2004 : 19:27:58
quote:
Originally posted by Sarelle
quote:
Originally posted by aragorn II
Do they even have subraces in 3rd edition?
Yes. As has been previously mentioned.
I'm sorry! I didn't have caffiene in my system when I asked that. |
| hammer of Moradin |
Posted - 08 Jun 2004 : 20:27:58
quote:
Weapon and nonweapon proficiencies instead of skills and feats (which are really confusing)
I always thought the original (3.0) feat tables were geared more for the fighter class to make them more appealing as a class. As more and more feats are being introduced it devalues the fighter class. They become too specialized. The introduction of skill-increasing feats adds to the problem. The feats need to be restructured or simplified, or characters should gain more feats to balance it out again. Fighters especially so. |
| Sarelle |
Posted - 08 Jun 2004 : 19:36:37
quote:
Originally posted by aragorn II
Do they even have subraces in 3rd edition?
Yes. As has been previously mentioned. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 08 Jun 2004 : 18:54:29
quote:
Originally posted by aragorn II
Do they even have subraces in 3rd edition?
For which race? |
| aragorn II |
Posted - 08 Jun 2004 : 18:02:33
Do they even have subraces in 3rd edition? |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 07 Jun 2004 : 20:55:18
quote:
Originally posted by aragorn II
Weapon and nonweapon proficiencies instead of skills and feats (which are really confusing)
etc.
Never had problems with the skills and feats.
Is there anything you'd change regarding any of the subraces? |
| Sarelle |
Posted - 07 Jun 2004 : 20:19:16
I was a big opposer of Demihuman class limits in 2e. My DM and I agreed they were not necessary (we tend not to go to high-level anyway, but when I do spend that much time on a character I don't want my effort to be rained on by what I consider unexplained restrictions.) Why would humans make better wizards than elves?
Speciality priests are still there, in PrCs. But here I do agree with you somewhat. Speciality priests had more flavour and accessibility. Still... again the differences between (in particular the difference between the choice between) speciality priests and clerics was never explained to my satisfaction.
I agree that ability scores should not be limitless, but then again the world you play in regulates them. No epic NPCs tend to have more than 24 on a single ability score, and when they have that much they tend to be underpowered in others. The +1 per 4 levels was something that regulated it, and I liked it (I hated being stuck with the same ability scores throughout the game in 2e. It wa sunrealistic and 1 bad roll and *bang* it all went pear-shaped.)
And I'm happy with 3e saving throws and their relationship to ability scores, but I'm not too bothered either way.
Though I do agree with you on non-weapon and weapon-proficiencies. Or rather role-play and combat feats. I don't like that feats are used to signify an affiliation or membership, and also used to signify a fighter's weapon finesse or a wizard's spell focus. It ends up being a sacrifice of sticking with 'game rules' to stick with good role-playing, and vice versea. Still... I think the feat system is easier to understand - it just needs a lot of tweaking. |
| aragorn II |
Posted - 07 Jun 2004 : 19:49:43
What's your guys' opinion? Gimme some feedback. |
| aragorn II |
Posted - 07 Jun 2004 : 19:01:02
quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack
quote:
Originally posted by aragorn II
I think 4th Edition should be more like 2nd or 1st than 3rd.
In what ways?
For example:
Demihuman level and class limits
Specialty Priests
Not limitless ability scores
Five different saving throws instead of three (which are like ability checks anyways)
Weapon and nonweapon proficiencies instead of skills and feats (which are really confusing)
etc. |
| Sarta |
Posted - 06 Jun 2004 : 18:52:11
quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Well, to try and keep this on topic, one thing I did not like in the change from 2e to 3e is the change that took wild/wood elves in 2e and made them two different subraces in 3e.
Yeah, I still am trying to figure out how they justify wood elves being as strong and uncharismatic as half-orcs. I'd have been much happier to have seen their stats changed to +1 str +2 dex -2 con -1 cha.
Sarta |
| Sarelle |
Posted - 06 Jun 2004 : 12:14:55
quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack
You just hit upon one of the elements that can start any argument on this topic. Ed Greenwood's thoughts, FR web articles, and Sean K. Reynolds web site postings are all variables that different players/DMs would place in different places within the chain of canon command.
Yes, sadly, I know. I was talking from WotC's standpoint. My personal opinion is of course that Ed should have final say over anything Realsmian. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 06 Jun 2004 : 04:10:01
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Sirius: I enjoyed the film. I just got home from seeing it a few minutes ago.
I'm still waiting for my royalty check.
quote:
I do like some of the features of 3rd edition. But there do remain some things from 2nd edition that I wish had been kept. And I'm not convinced it was broken enough to warrant such a serious change.
Well, to try and keep this on topic, one thing I did not like in the change from 2e to 3e is the change that took wild/wood elves in 2e and made them two different subraces in 3e. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 06 Jun 2004 : 03:40:15
Sirius: I enjoyed the film. I just got home from seeing it a few minutes ago.
quote:
Originally posted by aragorn II
I think 4th Edition should be more like 2nd or 1st than 3rd.
1st and 2nd edition were virtually identical...
I do like some of the features of 3rd edition. But there do remain some things from 2nd edition that I wish had been kept. And I'm not convinced it was broken enough to warrant such a serious change.
I like the new freedom to multi-class, and the ability to seriously tweak out the character how you want.
I'm not as keen on most of what's been done to magic...
And by Lurue's Horn, when will they get cantrips right? They have yet to match the rules for cantrips to the flavor of them... |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 06 Jun 2004 : 03:07:09
quote:
Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Sirius, saw Harry Potter last night, and I finally understand your screen name! 
Yes, there is a personal affinity I have towards that character hence the screen name.
I hope you enjoyed the film. |
| Purple Dragon Knight |
Posted - 06 Jun 2004 : 00:34:46
Sirius, saw Harry Potter last night, and I finally understand your screen name! |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 05 Jun 2004 : 23:06:28
quote:
Originally posted by aragorn II
I think 4th Edition should be more like 2nd or 1st than 3rd.
In what ways? |
| aragorn II |
Posted - 05 Jun 2004 : 19:33:25
I think 4th Edition should be more like 2nd or 1st than 3rd. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 05 Jun 2004 : 15:09:02
quote:
Originally posted by Sarelle
I've thought about the 'what is more canon than what' order too. I'd say you were right... but the problem is 3.5 novels and 3.0 sourcebooks seem to sometimes overrule each other at different times. I suppose Ed's thoughts would be below the novels and sourcebooks of the current edition (currently 3.5) - and would articles on the WotC website would be above Ed or just below him? And of course the bottom goes
Published Homebrew
Homebrew
Just my thoughts.
You just hit upon one of the elements that can start any argument on this topic. Ed Greenwood's thoughts, FR web articles, and Sean K. Reynolds web site postings are all variables that different players/DMs would place in different places within the chain of canon command. |
| Sarelle |
Posted - 05 Jun 2004 : 11:20:05
If you want to read about Drizzt's time in the Underdark, read The Dark Elf Trilogy. It's a good read.
Sirius:
I've thought about the 'what is more canon than what' order too. I'd say you were right... but the problem is 3.5 novels and 3.0 sourcebooks seem to sometimes overrule each other at different times. I suppose Ed's thoughts would be below the novels and sourcebooks of the current edition (currently 3.5) - and would articles on the WotC website would be above Ed or just below him? And of course the bottom goes
Published Homebrew
Homebrew
Just my thoughts. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 04 Jun 2004 : 21:29:36
quote:
Originally posted by Yoshimo
Does anyone know who Drizzt Dourdenthe's mother is I don't know much about his parents, but I know basically everything about his life after he escaped the Underdark and Menzoberranzan.
Drizzt's parents are Zaknafein (father) and Matron Malice of House Do'Urden (mother). |
| Kuje |
Posted - 04 Jun 2004 : 21:28:39
quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Not to get too off topic, but what is the exact pecking order for canon? Does it go
3.5 gaming products
3.5 novels
3.0 gaming products
3.0 novels
2.0 gaming products
2.0 novels
and etc...
Or did I miss something?
That's what I go by, since WOTC has said the Player's Guide over writes some of the FRCS... Of course Ed's words are canon no matter what unless again WOTC overwrites them.
And to Yoshimo, her name is Malice Do'Urden. |
