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aragorn II
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 10 May 2004 : 19:04:39
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What are the names and bonuses/penalties/other information of each of the subraces of the races of Toril? Second Editon, please.
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Edited by - aragorn II on 10 May 2004 19:06:07
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 10 May 2004 : 19:41:00
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Originally posted by aragorn II
What are the names and bonuses/penalties/other information of each of the subraces of the races of Toril? Second Editon, please.
Wow, that's a huge request...
And even though you're asking for second edition info, anyone who provides such info may be brushing up against copyright infringement issues. And that's something we don't want. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 11 May 2004 : 08:35:57
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I have to agree with the Hamster on this one. The posting of that kind of particular information here would cause great problems for Alaundo, and that's not really something that we want to happen  .
There are summaries available online of course, at several sites. Unfortunately I don't have any links since I recently deleted most of my 2e URLs from my current bookmark archives (the original copy is on disk and I don't feel like digging it out of storage). But, I do remember that there are still some CRPG sites for the various 2e FR games that have also summarised the racial traits of the various subraces of the Realms as at 1998.
I suggest that you do a search on the net for these informative sites.
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aragorn II
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 11 May 2004 : 18:21:57
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 11 May 2004 : 18:50:19
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No harm, no foul. We are just trying to make sure that any sticky situations don't come up.  |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 May 2004 : 19:41:27
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Originally posted by aragorn II
I hereby apolagize for bringing this up, and I realize my mistake. Please forgive me.
Don't worry about it. Others have gotten away with posting much more than what you were asking.
Case in point:
http://www.candlekeep.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2280
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 12 May 2004 : 10:00:29
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That's a fine example Sirius.
Since that is the case - and if Alaundo's willing to allow it - I'm sure those of us with the information aragorn II is looking for can put something together to help him out -- with appropriate quotes and references of course...
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Alaundo
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Posted - 12 May 2004 : 10:57:54
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Originally posted by The Sage
That's a fine example Sirius.
Since that is the case - and if Alaundo's willing to allow it - I'm sure those of us with the information aragorn II is looking for can put something together to help him out -- with appropriate quotes and references of course...
Well met
Of course, Sage. As I have mentioned previously, I will permit material to be given here provided it is'nt too much, and that it is included in quotes with the relevant source tome, page numbers etc. given. |
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aragorn II
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 27 May 2004 : 19:07:21
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Thelonius
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 27 May 2004 : 19:12:27
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Originally posted by aragorn II
What are the different names of the subraces of elves?
Maybe i'm wrong aragorn II but i can tell you some of them, You've got the silvanus elves, the drow (dark elves), the avariels, the tieflings (i think). These are the ones i know, i'm sure that more experimented scribes could tell you many more. These are the ones i've found in mi travels. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 May 2004 : 19:16:34
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Originally posted by aragorn II
What are the different names of the subraces of elves?
For FR, there are the drow, moon, sun, wood, wild, and of course, the star elves.  |
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aragorn II
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 27 May 2004 : 19:18:24
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 May 2004 : 19:51:27
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Originally posted by aragorn II
I mean, like their elven names and stuff like that.
Here's what I got from Demihuman Deities which lists the names out on page 93:
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Ssri-Tel'Quessir (drow), Sy-Tel'Quessir (green elves in 2nd edition), Ly'TelQuessir (lythari), avariel are just called winged elves in this book, Ar-Tel'Quessir (gold), Alu-Tel'Quessir (aquatic), and Teu-Tel'Quessir (moon)
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Sarta
Senior Scribe
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 28 May 2004 : 08:52:09
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Originally posted by The Sage
It should also be noted that there has never been any detail on the "elven" name for the Star Elves...
Yeah, the closest is that it is mentioned that they are sometimes referred to as mithral elves in ancient texts. So, perhaps their elven name would reflect this, <whatever the elven word is for mithral is>-Tel'Quessir.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 28 May 2004 : 13:52:31
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Heh, I'd thought about that (and had actually expressed the same on the WotC FR Boards), however I was awaiting some kind of "official" proclamation.
Unfortunately, there's been now response...
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aragorn II
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 01 Jun 2004 : 18:08:17
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| What are the FR dwarven subrace names and how do they correspond with the names from Complete Book of Dwarves? |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Jun 2004 : 18:12:40
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Originally posted by aragorn II
What are the FR dwarven subrace names and how do they correspond with the names from Complete Book of Dwarves?
Races of Faerun gives the following as subraces: Artic Dwarf, Gold Dwarf, Gray Dwarf, Shield Dwarf, Urdunnir, and Wild Dwarf. No idea on the second part of your query as I don't believe I have that tome. |
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aragorn II
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 01 Jun 2004 : 18:21:50
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| Well, the subraces by their "official AD&D 2nd Edition" names are Hill Dwarf, Mountain Dwarf, Deep Dwarf, Grey Dwarf (Duergar), Gully Dwarf, and Sundered Dwarf. |
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Sarelle
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 01 Jun 2004 : 19:53:11
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I can't answer properly, but:
Hill Dwarves equivalents in FR are Shield Dwarves.
Mounatin Dwarves somewhat equate to Gold Dwarves, but its a bit far-fetched.
Duergar/Grey Dwarves are the same in FR (except, better detailed).
Gully Dwarves ( ) are a misguided tool of the Dragonlance Campaign Setting, and don't feature in either FR or Greyhawk, or any other major worlds (unless, Moradin forbid, you want them to).
The other two don;t exist, to my knowledge, in FR. But I could be wrong, and it is of course, down to you in the end. |
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aragorn II
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 04 Jun 2004 : 18:06:46
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aragorn II
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 04 Jun 2004 : 18:08:15
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It says in Baldur's Gate...
(I know, I know. BG isn't canon!)
...that the four subraces of Faerun are Shield Dwarves, Gold Dwarves, Duergar, and Wild Dwarves. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Jun 2004 : 18:14:18
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Originally posted by aragorn II
What are "Wild Dwarves"?
From Races of Faerun, page 23
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Wild dwarves, who call themselves "dur Authalar" (the People), are the primitive inhabitants of the Jungles of Chult and the Mhair and Black Jungles. They have largely rejected the clan-based craft and smith-oriented culture of their gold, gray, and shield dwarf cousins, choosing instead to live in hunting bands with ever-shifting memberships.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Jun 2004 : 18:17:30
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Originally posted by aragorn II
It says in Baldur's Gate...
(I know, I know. BG isn't canon!)
BG has to be official. I swear I saw it on the FRCS map. |
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Sarelle
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Jun 2004 : 19:18:09
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by aragorn II
It says in Baldur's Gate...
(I know, I know. BG isn't canon!)
BG has to be official. I swear I saw it on the FRCS map.
Seriously, Sirius - you need to put at least a wink in your joke posts!   Your humour is so dry it belongs in the Savannah! (In other words I love it!  )
Aragorn: Well, canon or not, that BG tome was correct at the time. However canon changes with new 3.x sourcebook releases, such as Races of Faerūn, in which they re-introduced from 2nd edition Arctic Dwarves and Urdunnir. And of course Gray Dwarves are Duergar. |
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aragorn II
Learned Scribe
USA
101 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jun 2004 : 19:52:42
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| Well...the only edition I have ever and will ever use is 2nd. I prefer just straight up weapon proficiencies, nonweapon proficiencies, and languages, not feats, skills, prestige classes, topless ability scores, and the like. It just OVERWHELMS me. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Jun 2004 : 20:10:31
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Originally posted by Sarelle
Seriously, Sirius - you need to put at least a wink in your joke posts! Your humour is so dry it belongs in the Savannah! (In other words I love it! )
Thank you for the compliment on my humor. Sorry, I have to take out the u, I'm in the colonies and the teachers here never did teach us gooder English.
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Aragorn: Well, canon or not, that BG tome was correct at the time. However canon changes with new 3.x sourcebook releases, such as Races of Faerūn, in which they re-introduced from 2nd edition Arctic Dwarves and Urdunnir. And of course Gray Dwarves are Duergar.
Not to get too off topic, but what is the exact pecking order for canon? Does it go
3.5 gaming products
3.5 novels
3.0 gaming products
3.0 novels
2.0 gaming products
2.0 novels
and etc...
Or did I miss something? |
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Sarta
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 04 Jun 2004 : 20:35:20
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I don't believe that there is an exact pecking order. It really comes down to what has been stated about a particular person, place, or thing. The most recent is canon. Ed's contract means anything he says about something is canon, but Ed is very quick to point out that this is only true until someone writes something to change what he has just said.
When it comes to conflicting information, when they are noticed some sort of redaction usually occurs so that both sources can work together. (e.g. if an npc is said to have died in one source and is mentioned as alive in another years later, the npc faked their death.)
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Yoshimo
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Posted - 04 Jun 2004 : 21:07:55
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Originally posted by aragorn II
Well...the only edition I have ever and will ever use is 2nd. I prefer just straight up weapon proficiencies, nonweapon proficiencies, and languages, not feats, skills, prestige classes, topless ability scores, and the like. It just OVERWHELMS me.
I know what you mean, because anything else just doesn't seem right. 3rd edition is too modern and has... too much style. These rules permit the use of a bounty hunter class, don't they? |
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Yoshimo
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Posted - 04 Jun 2004 : 21:12:43
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Does anyone know who Drizzt Dourdenthe's mother is I don't know much about his parents, but I know basically everything about his life after he escaped the Underdark and Menzoberranzan. |
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Kuje
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Posted - 04 Jun 2004 : 21:28:39
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Not to get too off topic, but what is the exact pecking order for canon? Does it go
3.5 gaming products
3.5 novels
3.0 gaming products
3.0 novels
2.0 gaming products
2.0 novels
and etc...
Or did I miss something?
That's what I go by, since WOTC has said the Player's Guide over writes some of the FRCS... Of course Ed's words are canon no matter what unless again WOTC overwrites them.
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