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Screensize: 640 x 480 800 x 600 1024 x 768 1280 x 1024 UserName: Password: Format Mode: Basic  Help  Prompt  Format: Font Andale Mono Arial Arial Black Book Antiqua Century Gothic Comic Sans MS Courier New Georgia Impact Lucida Console Script MT Bold Stencil Tahoma Times New Roman Trebuchet MS Verdana   Size 1 2 3 4 5 6   Color Black Red Yellow Pink Green Orange Purple Blue Beige Brown Teal Navy Maroon LimeGreen Message: * HTML is OFF * Forum Code is ON Smilies [quote][i]Originally posted by KnightErrantJR[/i] [br]Two fold post here: 1) I know under 2nd edition the Realms specifically had Crusaders, Harpers, Spellsingers, Shadow Walkers, Monks, and Shaman (although Shaman was kind of "shared" with D&D in general). Were there any other FR specific standard classes that I missed? I know that Ed did a few NPC classes in 1st edition (Smiths and scribes, if I remember correctly). 2) Has anyone given any thought to how to emulate some of the "underserved" classes in 3.5? [b]Shaman[/b] Shaman are more or less covered with the Spirit Shaman from [i]Complete Divine[/i], not to mention there are various 3rd party Shaman classes that more or less cover this role if the "official" one doesn't serve. [b]Monks[/b] Monks, I know, under 2nd edition had divine spellcasting, but under 1st edition, they didn't, so I'm okay with Monks that cast clerical spells just being multi class (especially with PrCs like the Sacred Fist). [b]Spellsingers[/b] Spellsingers are a whole different bag, because the Spellsinger PrC that we got was based more on the "spellsinging" Elven Minstrel bard kit (and didn't really capture that feel as well as it could have). The Ed inspired Spellsinger was changed to Spelldancer in Magic of Faerun, and I really felt that it was not particularly the best translation. So for Spellsingers, I was thinking of using the Spellmaster from Green Ronin's Advanced Player's Manual, with a few modifications. First off, no divine spells. Second, to compensate for the no divine spells, free skill focus in perform (dance) and perform (singing). Spellmasters can learn spells of almost any level, can try to cast them with a danger to themselves, spend long amounts of time gathering magical energy, and can only "hold" a limited number of spells that they gather. If you have access to this source, and remember Spellsingers, give this a look, as I think that this might be a pretty good fit. The biggest problem is that there is not cooperative aspect to the Spellmaster's spell gathering ability. [b]Crusader[/b] The crusader class from 3.5 really doesn't fit with the old concept of this class. The Warpriest from the Advanced Player's Manual isn't a perfect fit, but it is a martial oriented priest that gains a d10, slightly lower spell progression (max out at 6th level), and the ability to cast some spontaneous battlefield effects like healing, as well as turning at a lower level than clerics. (The turning actually fits, if you look at the "Warriors and Priests" version instead of the Faiths and Avatars version) [b]Shadow Walkers[/b] The shadowsworn class from Malhavoc's [i]Book of Roguish Luck[/i] seems to fit this to a tee, if its a bit more sinister than the original (Shadowsworm have to be non good in alignment). [b]Mystics[/b] This is a tough one. My first instinct was to just use mystics from Dragonlance, but to make them required to have a patron deity, but mystics from Dragonlance are still more martial than the class was as presented in 2nd edition, plus, the familiar thing doesn't work. They could be adepts, but that makes them severely underpowered. Thinking slightly outside of the box though, it occurred to me that two things are possible. One, you can use Mystics from DL, drop the ability to use armor and shields, and give them a familiar for their trouble. Or You can change the Witch class from Green Ronin from an arcane caster to a divine caster, require a patron, and open up their spell selection to all of the cleric spells in the game. The witch gets no armor and simple weapons, a familiar, timeless body, and several bonus feats that could be used for brew potion and similar feats. Plus they get 4 skill points per level instead of 2, meaning they can learn a bit more "professional" skills in their advancement. And they still qualify for the old Candle Caster PrC from Tome and Blood if they want to go that route. [b]Harpers[/b] Honestly, I don't see much reason to have a class of these guys. Most of their abilities would fall under rogues or scouts under 3.5, especially since a 1st level Harper wasn't automatically a Harper yet. Anyway, I know that was a lot to throw out there, but if anyone has any thoughts, I'd love to see them. Thanks. [/quote]   Check here to include your profile signature. Check here to subscribe to this topic.