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TheIriaeban
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Posted - 22 Sep 2022 :  19:23:22  Show Profile Send TheIriaeban a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
I have been digging around and I cannot determine what a specific monster is. Here is the description:

It is bipedal. It has a large mouth with fangs. It has talons as well as horns. It is intelligent. There was no indication of any kind of drain in it's attack so I do not believe it is connected to the Negative Plane.

Based on the encounter it was in, I would say that it is a Prime creature that had the Shadow creature template applied to it. I would just like to determine which Prime creature it could be. Any suggestion would be appreciated.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 22 Sep 2022 :  21:26:43  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That's rather vague, I'm afraid... Any other specifics you could offer? Size? Coloration? Special attacks, defenses, abilities, movement types? Any kind of magic usage?

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Ayrik
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Posted - 23 Sep 2022 :  00:05:37  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That is a little too vague. It could be anything from pit fiend to a kender.

Where was this creature shown or described, what is the original source?

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Azar
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Posted - 23 Sep 2022 :  00:17:25  Show Profile Send Azar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
For some reason, I thought "Ethereal Marauder", but Ethereal Marauders do not possess horns and "Intelligence: 7" may not be intelligent enough.

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Kentinal
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Posted - 23 Sep 2022 :  00:30:00  Show Profile Send Kentinal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

That is a little too vague. It could be anything from pit fiend to a kender.

Where was this creature shown or described, what is the original source?



Kender have claws?

The monster might be custom, shade template is believed, so I suspect an encounter in adventure. Maybe novel as source?

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TheIriaeban
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Posted - 23 Sep 2022 :  01:29:35  Show Profile Send TheIriaeban a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It is from the prologue of Curse of the Shadowmage.

Yeah, it doesn't really have much, description-wise. I would say it is bigger than a person and there are no special abilities beyond being fast. It COULD be a monster from the Plane of Shadow but I looked at all the ones I know of and none of them match the description. That is why I was thinking it COULD be a prime creature with the shadow creature template applied (that should open things up a bit).

"Iriaebor is a fine city. So what if you can have violence between merchant groups break out at any moment. Not every city can offer dinner AND a show."

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Ayrik
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Posted - 23 Sep 2022 :  06:30:21  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think it's likely the creature was whatever it needed to be for the narrative, regardless of rules and lore.

The novel is circa 1995. So it could've drawn from 1E/2E material - or from any other inspiration outside D&D - but it predated 3E and the whole late-3E fixation on shades and shadovars.

I would guess it's a shadow - the basic undead monster. Maybe a wight. Maybe even a demi-shadow monster or other illusion.

If the prologue scene was written from the perspective of the monster's victim then the monster might've been depicted in an exaggerated fashion, more big more scary more evil, etc.

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ericlboyd
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Posted - 23 Sep 2022 :  12:31:39  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Are you talking about the shadevari?

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Shadevar

Polyhedron #93 and Villain's Lorebook.

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TheIriaeban
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Posted - 23 Sep 2022 :  14:12:13  Show Profile Send TheIriaeban a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

I think it's likely the creature was whatever it needed to be for the narrative, regardless of rules and lore.

The novel is circa 1995. So it could've drawn from 1E/2E material - or from any other inspiration outside D&D - but it predated 3E and the whole late-3E fixation on shades and shadovars.

I would guess it's a shadow - the basic undead monster. Maybe a wight. Maybe even a demi-shadow monster or other illusion.

If the prologue scene was written from the perspective of the monster's victim then the monster might've been depicted in an exaggerated fashion, more big more scary more evil, etc.



It COULD be an illusion of the demi-shadow type since someone was there "initiating" the encounter. It could also be a completely new monster created for the story. If that is the case, then I would say it is probably a variation of the Shadeling that was summoned by someone. I was just hoping the author used an existing monster that could be identified.

"Iriaebor is a fine city. So what if you can have violence between merchant groups break out at any moment. Not every city can offer dinner AND a show."

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TheIriaeban
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Posted - 23 Sep 2022 :  14:46:53  Show Profile Send TheIriaeban a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd

Are you talking about the shadevari?

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Shadevar

Polyhedron #93 and Villain's Lorebook.



I do not believe so. When I looked for a description of one in the book, it was very different than the one given for the creature at the beginning. The shadevari are completely physical with a surface texture. What was seen at the beginning of the book was more like an animated shadow.

Hmmm, now that I said that and given who is doing the animating, I think I have a better idea of what is happening.

Background: This is for research to give the Shadowstar a major power that fits in with what was seen in the novels and could exist logically outside of the story narrative and within the rules of the game. My initial thought is that is a summoning given the shadevari were summoned/released. Now, I believe it is Caldorien's shadow control abilities being "supercharged" by the curse.

Given that line of reasoning, I am now of the opinion that the Shadowstar magnifies the wielder's ability to control shadows to allow them to cause real, physical damage snd the range at which that can happen. Imagine someone sending an army against him when every shadow within 5 miles of him suddenly animates and starts attacking those forces. Unless you had a very good understanding of his powers, you may not be able to understand or counter that. It could also be why it had to be someone with the same ability (and understanding of how it works) to defeat a fully-transformed Shadowking.

"Iriaebor is a fine city. So what if you can have violence between merchant groups break out at any moment. Not every city can offer dinner AND a show."

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HighOne
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Posted - 23 Sep 2022 :  15:04:29  Show Profile Send HighOne a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That description is vague enough to apply to any number of demons and devils, including the Balor.

https://www.dndbeyond.com/monsters/16797-balor

That said, I agree with Ayrik: the monster was most likely invented by the author.
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sleyvas
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Posted - 23 Sep 2022 :  20:46:04  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
If there were wings... I'd say shadow demon. Click the 2e button on the below link for an image from that time period.

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Shadow_demon

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