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The Masked Mage
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Posted - 19 Sep 2022 :  16:15:48  Show Profile Send The Masked Mage a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
I was looking through Daughter Of The Drow when I came across this tidbit:

'Kharza-kzad was now a lichdrow, a dark-elven wizard who existed beyond death, beyond the limitations of mind and body. Invulnerable, nearly invincible, the undead creature could cast at will all the spells gathered throughout its centuries of life.'

This statement is quite a step up from MC Lichdrow.

Does anyone know if this had a source, or was it just Elaine Cunningham amping up a monster type to make it more formidable? (I think she kind of did the same thing with a drow banshee). Is there a source for lichdrow other than the old Ravenloft MC? Granted, the idea of a wand of lichdom flies in the face of all the complicated processes for becoming a lich we got over the years...


Part of me likes this idea of a ultra-lichdrow.

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Posted - 19 Sep 2022 :  16:24:31  Show Profile Send TheIriaeban a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Is a Lichdrow the Drow's version of a Baelnorn or are all drow that become liches automatically a Lichdrow and not a standard lich?

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The Masked Mage
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Posted - 19 Sep 2022 :  17:11:34  Show Profile Send The Masked Mage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TheIriaeban

Is a Lichdrow the Drow's version of a Baelnorn or are all drow that become liches automatically a Lichdrow and not a standard lich?


Its just the variation of lich that drow become. There was nothing terribly special in the old Ravenloft write up, except they have some od the drow innate abilities and Magic Resistance.

I type lichdrow, because that was what they used for Dyrr. Most other things say lich drow or drow lich.

Edited by - The Masked Mage on 19 Sep 2022 17:14:29
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TBeholder
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Custom transformation is custom.
I would even randomize traits of liches, much like PS had with tieflings.
The wizards taught how to do this inherit their master's version of the process, but most research on their own, so why shouldn't they wind up with slightly different quirks?

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 27 Sep 2022 :  17:01:37  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TBeholder

Custom transformation is custom.
I would even randomize traits of liches, much like PS had with tieflings.
The wizards taught how to do this inherit their master's version of the process, but most research on their own, so why shouldn't they wind up with slightly different quirks?



Given that the info we have on liches does generally indicate that each lich had to figure it out on their own, it makes sense to handle each one differently and give them different abilities.

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TheIriaeban
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Posted - 27 Sep 2022 :  17:03:33  Show Profile Send TheIriaeban a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TBeholder

Custom transformation is custom.
I would even randomize traits of liches, much like PS had with tieflings.
The wizards taught how to do this inherit their master's version of the process, but most research on their own, so why shouldn't they wind up with slightly different quirks?



That seems reasonable to me. I have an archlich that was created accidently by the interaction of wild magic, a failing Phezult's sleep of ages, and the magic the wizard used to extend his lifespan. Because of that, he has different traits than the typical lich.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 27 Sep 2022 :  19:06:15  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Back in 2E, there was a series of "Van Richten's Guide to" books for Ravenloft, detailing various nastybads and giving ways to make them unique.

He covered liches in one of them; it was later reprinted in Van Richten's Monster Hunter's Compendium, Volume 2.

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TheIriaeban
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Posted - 27 Sep 2022 :  20:08:01  Show Profile Send TheIriaeban a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That is a good point. I forgot about the Van Richten stuff for that archlich. I should dig that out and see what it has. I DID use it for a couple of ghosts. If their story ever gets out, some bard could get some milage out of "The Ghostly Lovers of Iriaebor".

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