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Markustay
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Posted - 21 Nov 2013 :  00:49:29  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, the point I was trying to make (which always seems to get lost in my rambling) is that the difference between the ToT and the spellplague was just severity.

Suppose we've had two nuclear reactors with a problem - we could even use the RW Three Mile Island and Chernobyl incidents. Same thing - nuclear reactor getting all scary-critical. Difference is, three Mile Island was contained and turned out fine. Chernoyl, on the other hand, went all Doomsday on everything.

So the Spellplague was ''magical chaos' when all the fail-safes and stop-gap measures have failed, and the world went to hell in handbag. It doesn't make it different from the ToT, except that it reached 'critical mass'. Think of it like the difference between snapping a magical wand in half, and snapping a Staff of the Magi in half.

Anyhow, it doesn't make me like any of it any better, its just my way of looking at things now, with all this talk of a 'Sundering'. I guess we'll see soon enough.

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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Markus that's an astute observation. I like it.

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ToT changes were relatively minor and easy to ignore if it wasn't your cup of tea. Second edition published support for all of the dead gods including specialty priests. ToT changed the pantheon and left the geo politics and NPCs alone.

Spell plague changed far more than just a handful of deities and no official support was given to those deities. Spell plague refined half the world and remove any traces of realms having unique systems of magic. The new setting material did not cover existing famous spells, magic items and organizations. Also, it virtually wiped out all of the famous NPCs and organizations. The worst part of the whole mess(IMO) is none of that was replaced in the new era. The setting got a more or less clean slate and there was no further attempt to develop it. The few remaining NPCs from the prior editions still are the only truly noteworthy movers and shakers. Multiple human generations went by in Realmslore and not a single character stood up and moved into any of those existing power vacuums. I could go on, but I have stated most of this stuff elsewhere.




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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 24 Nov 2013 :  09:53:47  Show Profile Send Jeremy Grenemyer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I realize some people will never like the post-Spellplague Realms, but treating it as though the setting never advanced past Day 1 of that era is getting tiresome.

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Wooly Rupert
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And it's really beyond the scope of this particular topic. Had I known what would result from my aside, I'd've held my tongue.

Any further Spellplague/edition commentary should really go into a thread dedicated to that discussion.

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The Sage
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Posted - 26 Nov 2013 :  05:28:49  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ed presents a rather curious offering in this week's "Forging the Realms" with The Gem in the Wall.

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Wooly Rupert
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Dang it, I just checked the WotC site like half an hour ago!

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George Krashos
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Posted - 26 Nov 2013 :  07:05:21  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I liked this. Any Netheril lore is always welcome.

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Markustay
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Posted - 26 Nov 2013 :  14:30:00  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I am falling further and further behind with these.

Been so damn busy lately... guess I can play catch-up over the holidays.

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

Dang it, I just checked the WotC site like half an hour ago!

Sage has probably set something up where he gets 'pinged' on his smartphone whenever something is posted in that section.

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The Sage
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Posted - 27 Nov 2013 :  02:39:15  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

I am falling further and further behind with these.

Been so damn busy lately... guess I can play catch-up over the holidays.

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

Dang it, I just checked the WotC site like half an hour ago!

Sage has probably set something up where he gets 'pinged' on his smartphone whenever something is posted in that section.

Very close to the truth. I've a routine in SageOS prompting me with an alert every day at a particular time to remind me to check the Wizards site for new article updates. It automatically opens the web-page at the specified date and time.

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Who takes the time to reprogram their smartphone? It's a miracle it works at all. No wonder your always late for something.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 04 Dec 2013 :  11:20:03  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
In a blatant disregard for the fact that Sage will repost the link , I present Ed's latest "Forging the Realms" article:- The Teleporting Oddity.

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The Sage
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Posted - 04 Dec 2013 :  15:03:26  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

In a blatant disregard for the fact that Sage will repost the link , I present Ed's latest "Forging the Realms" article:- The Teleporting Oddity.
I was ready to post it, actually, but Wizards delayed the release of the article. So the alert I normally received directed me to a non-existent link.

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The Sage
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Posted - 04 Dec 2013 :  15:03:56  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
In this week's article, Ed's presents The Teleporting Oddity.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 04 Dec 2013 :  17:46:20  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

In this week's article, Ed's presents The Teleporting Oddity.



I wish someone had shared that link earlier! Oh, wait...

(Didja notice I copied your text from your last repost? )

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Alruane
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Oh, you Wooly haha

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

In this week's article, Ed's presents The Teleporting Oddity.



I wish someone had shared that link earlier! Oh, wait...

(Didja notice I copied your text from your last repost? )

My replies are often habit-forming.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 10 Dec 2013 :  05:07:39  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And once more, the Sage is beat to the punch! We'll see this link twice, but here goes the first listing of it!

Jarasson, Founder of Guilds

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The Sage
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Posted - 10 Dec 2013 :  07:03:33  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here is the proper and as-close-to-Candlekeep-official link for the latest "Forging the Forgotten Realms" article by Ed Greenwood:- Jarasson, Founder of Guilds.

It's the ONLY link you'll need this week for the column.

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Demzer
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It's funny and interesting that Dragon 429's Eye on the Realms article presents us with a young and enterprising shady merchant-prince while this Forging the Realms article showcases the work and care of an old wolf in establishing profitable avenues of income.

This article even has a direct reference to the Eye on the Realms one (Jarasson thougts on shortages), kind of like presenting two faces of the same coin.
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The Sage
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Posted - 17 Dec 2013 :  06:42:13  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And back to where we should be... with me posting the latest link for Ed's "Forging the Forgotten Realms" series:- Outcast House.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 23 Dec 2013 :  18:21:24  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And by monkeying with the link, I found the latest Forging the Realms article, before it was even listed! Top that one, Sage!

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Posted - 24 Dec 2013 :  04:15:04  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm supposed to be the Master of Disjointed Time here at Candlekeep, Wooly.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 24 Dec 2013 :  05:05:54  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

I'm supposed to be the Master of Disjointed Time here at Candlekeep, Wooly.



I think Time Displaced is more your thing.

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Posted - 24 Dec 2013 :  09:18:37  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm back in the right, again. The universe makes sense!

Both Wooly and Derulbaskul are off the mark -- as they've posted links to old articles -- Wooly's and Derulbaskul's links taking us back to January 2013.

So no new material for Ed's series this week it seems.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 24 Dec 2013 :  15:14:31  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

I'm back in the right, again. The universe makes sense!

Both Wooly and Derulbaskul are off the mark -- as they've posted links to old articles -- Wooly's and Derulbaskul's links taking us back to January 2013.

So no new material for Ed's series this week it seems.



Curses! Saran wrapped Foiled again!

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The Hooded One
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Heh. Methinks the Wizards of the Coast elves deserve a Christmas break, and have taken it...because I KNOW Ed is at least six columns ahead.
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quote:
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Heh. Methinks the Wizards of the Coast elves deserve a Christmas break, and have taken it...because I KNOW Ed is at least six columns ahead.
love,
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I thought that may have been the case.

Regardless, I'm looking forward to what Ed's got cooked up for 2014!

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 07 Jan 2014 :  05:37:28  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And once again, Sage is not the first!

The Eye Tyrantís Predicament

Sage, I remembered to add the bolding in there this time, to make it easier when you copy/paste the link from my post.

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Wooly is first out of the gate for 2014. Sage better catch up!

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