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The Sage
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Hmmm. Now that you mention it, that does sound familiar. And it sounds like something I would've said -- perhaps as a potential "To-Do" activity.

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Icelander
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Hail thee, High Loremaster Krashos.

We know that merchants are powerful in Impiltur, but the craftsfolk and labourers have received less mention in the lore. At least one mention of 'merchant guilds' is canonical for Impiltur and I seem to recall guilds in Lyrabar being mentioned in the Year of Rogue Dragons trilogy.

What can you tell us about Impilturan guilds? How do they compare to Waterdhavian guilds? Cormyrean ones? Do they receive Royal Charters? Are they powerful and monopolistic as in real history or are they mere 'kvetching clubs'?

Could you give a list (partial or otherwise) of which professions are organised in guilds in Impiltur? How geographically extensive these guilds are? What they do?

And, well, anything else you feel like sharing about them.

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George Krashos
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quote:
Originally posted by Icelander

Hail thee, High Loremaster Krashos.

We know that merchants are powerful in Impiltur, but the craftsfolk and labourers have received less mention in the lore. At least one mention of 'merchant guilds' is canonical for Impiltur and I seem to recall guilds in Lyrabar being mentioned in the Year of Rogue Dragons trilogy.

What can you tell us about Impilturan guilds? How do they compare to Waterdhavian guilds? Cormyrean ones? Do they receive Royal Charters? Are they powerful and monopolistic as in real history or are they mere 'kvetching clubs'?

Could you give a list (partial or otherwise) of which professions are organised in guilds in Impiltur? How geographically extensive these guilds are? What they do?

And, well, anything else you feel like sharing about them.

In fond hopes that this finds thee well,
your obedient servant,
Scribe Icelander.



Hmm, talk about a small topic.

Historically, the guilds of Impiltur date from the re-formation of the kingdom in 1097 DR and the ascension of King Imphras the Great. They arose from the fractious nature of the city-state alliance that Imphras had brought together when he united the realm again. Used to being autonomous in trade, the ruling strata of the cities of the region demanded and were granted regional concessions and left to "sort out" their own trade structure.

For many years this was a poor and badly run system, with age-old rivalries and prejudices defeating any attempts to get a cohesive, robust and competitive trade system operating within the kingdom. It was only with the crowning of Lashilmbrar that the trade guilds of Impiltur were brought into line beginning with his "Crown and Cart" decree in 1228 DR and culimnating in the Coin Conclave of 1233 DR where the presence of the king saw a system of guild law put into place that stressed cooperation, fair competition and harnessing of regional strengths and advantages.

The Coin Conclave saw the formalisation of trade guilds in the cities of Lyrabar, Sarshel, Hlammach and Dilpur with a clear geographic demarcation regarding areas of control. In a nod to the city-states of the Kingless Years, the guilds (called "laern" [singular and plural] in Impiltur) were named for the symbol of the city-state that they were based in and around. Hence the realm currently has the Two Moons laern (Dilpur), Redhorn laern (Hlammach), Blue Unicorn laern (Lyrabar) and the Threespires laern (Sarshel). The Uplands region also has its own laern (as of 1340DR by decree of Queen Sambryl) but this is the most fractious of the guilds and riven by internal turmoil with no strong leader and significant competing interests due to the nature of the large geographic area it encompasses and the very different trades that it brings under its aegis. It is known as the Stonehand laern.

Each guild is organised into "narnath" (singular: "narnoth") which are the various trades which have voting status within each guild. The different types of narnath vary from guild to guild throughout Impiltur although the 'standard' ones such as woodworkers, carters, fishers, masons, smiths, weavers, herders, and farmers are represented in every laern. Differences in laern are usually through the composition of a narnoth with some encompassing a number of vocations while others being more specialised (i.e. shipwrights, sail makers and fishers all in one narnoth or separated into two or three etc.). It is notable that the laern of Impiltur are made up of solely agricultural, trade and animal husbandry interests. Groups devoted to the arts such as musicians, painters and even sculptors are not usually guild-affiliated nor are those devoted to the study of magic or knowledge (i.e. sages and loremasters).

Historically each of the guilds has had a 'focus' area where it is considered to be a market leader. Traditionally, this means that Lyrabar leads the way on all matters relating to mining and stonemasonry, Hlammach on fishing, Sarshel on 'high farming' (large crops et al.) and Dilpur on 'low farming' (smaller crops and orchards et al). The Uplands has a bit of everything and tenaciously fights to get traction among the age-old guilds in matters that affect it significantly (ala charges for transportation of goods - which for the Uplands is naturally higher than for the Easting Coast cities).

Each guild is led by a conclave of individuals usually numbering 3 but sometimes up to 5 who have a a titular head (the High Factor) and who are voted in by members at a tri-annual gathering. Membership is determined by vote but in modern times that process has been delegated to a sub-council known as the Coinmasters who deal with the financial side of the guild (responsible for tithes, policing pricing, membership entry fees [which vary] and submissions to the crown on matters affecting trade and commerce).

The Crown in modern times does not interfere in guild business nor put in place strictures or laws pertaining to commerce, save and except in situations where the guilds have attempted to manipulate or influence trade and supply in areas considered to be sensitive (i.e. food in times of shortage and weapons and armor most any time).

I hope this has been helpful.

-- George Krashos

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Edited by - George Krashos on 11 Sep 2010 17:27:45
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The Sage
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Oh, Krash, that's definitely going in your "Candlekeep Impiltur lore PDF compilation."

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Thank you very much for your kind reply about guilds, High Loremaster. Who knows, perhaps a follow-up question on that will find its way to you later?

For now, I have a simpler query.

What year did Prince Wendren Balindre take office in Telflamm? And does he have a family? Heirs? How many Balindres are there living officially in Telflamm?

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George Krashos
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quote:
Originally posted by Icelander

Thank you very much for your kind reply about guilds, High Loremaster. Who knows, perhaps a follow-up question on that will find its way to you later?

For now, I have a simpler query.

What year did Prince Wendren Balindre take office in Telflamm? And does he have a family? Heirs? How many Balindres are there living officially in Telflamm?



Wendren succeeded his uncle, the canny and calculating Heldrin, in the Year of the Crown (1351 DR). Heldrin was childless and Wendren the brightest (and most sycophantic) of his five nephews (Wendren had an older brother Dellen (a drunkard braggart that travelled throughout Thesk seeking to fleece unsuspecting investors with promises of mining or trading riches, using his family name as collateral. Wendren had him slain by assassins in the Year of the Serpent (1359 DR)) and still has a younger brother Loern who is a sea captain and often absent from Telflamm. The brothers get on but don't have much to do with one another.

Wendren's cousins numbered the handsome and much-admired Uldrith and the twins Gorthen and Feslin (born of the same father, Tildrith - Heldrin's youngest brother - with Wendren's father Phelarn being the middle brother. Tildrith was married twice, firstly to the beautiful if rather frail of constitution Laneetha who died in the short-lived "Black Ague" sickness outbreak in the Year of the Lurking Death (1322 DR) and the formidable and conniving Murla - known to all as the "Scarlet Flame" for her cascading (now dyed by magic) red tresses who lives still in her seventies, her youth maintained by magic and her wits maintained by a steadfast devotion to the goddess Sune).

Uldrith was considered the heir apparent to Heldrin (although in truth his uncle did not hold him in too high a regard, considering him a 'stareye' - the polite term for someone who is naive in the Realms - and not tough enough to rule Telflamm) until he took sick in the waning days of the Year of the Bridle (1349 DR) and was left crippled and blind by a malady that defied all attempts to heal it whether by magic or through more mundane medical efforts. Uldrith committed suicide some months afterward, unable to cope with the constant pain that wracked his body, and Wendren was anointed as heir of the Balindre family. Of course none know that Uldrith's malady was as a result of a rare poison, known as "minth" and hailing from the Tashalar which Wendren had a pleasure lass ply on a drunken Uldrith, thereby assuring his succession to the rulership of Telflamm.

Wendren's twin cousins are both his best friends and cohorts in the nefarious plots he weaves to try and wrest back the power that the Balindre family has lost over the centuries. As such he seeks to undermine the merchants who hold sway in the trade lifeblood of the city (replacing them with individuals or concerns that favour him and his or are beholden to the Balindres in some way) and carefully promotes rivals to the control of the Shadowmasters. Gorthen and Feslin are his main weapons in this regard, being loyal but not overly bright participants in his schemes and serving as both "muscle" and trusted messengers. They are both married and have two children each, with Gorthen having two boys and Feslin having two girls.

Of course Wendren is not nearly as clever as he thinks and the Shadowmasters know almost all of his plans and schemes, having subverted his long-time mistress Ulthanna many winters ago. He is married to the now portly Rithla of the rich and numerous Mornspear merchant family in Milvarune (the family head, Hiordath Mornspear is one of the oligarchs of Thesk) but the marriage is a loveless one, the passion ebbing over the years as Rithla's waistline grew. They have three children Olaera (aged 22 and being readied for a politically advantageous marriage), Paerla (aged 19 and a mannish, swordmaiden in training) and Rendren (aged 14 and the heir to his father's throne but at this time only a spoilt, wilful but devious adolescent).

There you have it - a snapshot of the Balindres of Telflamm. Not the best family in the Realms, but certainly not the worst.

-- George Krashos



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Edited by - George Krashos on 18 Sep 2010 07:40:20
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Who, then, was Prince Laric of Telflamm who was assassinated by a hathran on a diplomatic mission to Rashemen sometime after the Tuigan Horde, but before 1369 DR?

He appears in 'Thieves' Honour', a short story in Realms of Infamy. The story indicates that he is the ruling prince and the objective of his assassination was to replace him with a shapeshifting double (which succeeded, but might have been detected later).

The story can probably be dated more precisely upon careful reading. The aftermath of the Tuigan is referenced and it seems not long after that, but there might be other clues there for someone familiar with Rashemi politics.

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Prince Laric of Telflamm was the short-lived de-facto ruler of Telflamm from 1364 DR to 1366 DR during the "Time of the Sharkjaws".

When the pirate flotilla, known to historians as "The Sharkjaws", took control of the city in the Year of the Wave, Grand Prince Wendren was absent from the city having taken ship to Cormyr and the Dales to attempt to boost Telflamm's flagging trade situation following the devastation of the Tuigan invasion.

The pirates put into office a figurehead, Laric Thalavor, a member of the Royal Household and distantly related to the Balindres. They declared Wendren's rule over, starting a rumour that he was dead and 'lost at sea'. Laric's father Naric Thalavor had been a stalwart supporter of the former Grand Prince Heldrin, but his son was cut of a different style of cloth. Ambitious and arrogant, Laric took up the role with enthusiasm and sought to legitimise the pirate presence in Telflamm by appointing their leader Evgruth to the post of 'Royal Councillor' (a new and ill-defined position of authority which allowed Evgruth to retain true power in the city but not alienate the existing population or external powers which had reacted to the events of the Year of the Wave with more than a little concern and consternation).

Laric eagerly travelled to Rashemen in the Year of the Sword (1365 DR) at the behest of Iron Lord Thydrimm Yvarrg, considering the request to be the first in a series of diplomatic missions which would recognise his titular rule and the pirate presence in Telflamm and lead in time to the whole region coming to terms with the city's changed power structure. Prince Laric was slain in Rashemen at the instigation of the ruling Witches who considered the pirate presence in the city to be an opportunity to expand and exert their own influence into Telflamm and effectively giving them de-facto port access to the Inner Sea. Laric was replaced by a charmed servant, a shapeshifting creature known as a boggan, which returned to Telflamm as if nothing untoward had occurred, bringing along his new 'consort', the witch Halaertha.

Within a year, the false Laric was slain, the pirates expelled from the city and Halaertha returned by shadow magic to Immilmar as the Shadowmasters asserted their age-old control over Telflamm. Wendren was returned to the throne by the Shadowmasters (he had been prevented by the pirates from returning to Telflamm by sea and had vacillated for some time as to his future prospects before commencing a long, overland journey which saw him located in Tsurlagol when the Shadowmasters struck. They saw to it that his return to the city was expedited and that he was beholden to them for the return of the "rulership" of the city) and matters set aright.

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Happy Birthday, George! I tried to get this up yesterday, but my connection was being tetchy.
BTW, the above lore is awesome! Thanks for sharing.

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George,

I'm now caught up with your scroll and have a last few 'Realmspeak' definitions I need clarification on before I can add a whole slew to the 'Glossary'. The slew is dependent on some of these though, so therefore my asking. My question or required clarification is in square braces (and underlined) for ease of reading:
  • “tuskers” – Common:- [is this some term for orcs?] (So saith George Krashos - November 14, 2008)

  • “warblade” – Common:- [where can I read more about this military rank?]

  • “warsword” – Common:- [where can I read more about this military rank?]

  • “alorn” – Common:- [where can I read more about this military rank?]

  • “heartburst” – Common:- [is this the same as "heartstop"?] (So saith George Krashos - March 8, 2009)

  • “blacktongue fever” – Common:- [what kind of ailment is this?] (So saith George Krashos - May 9, 2009)

  • “oldbeard” – Common:- a dwarven word for an elderly dwarf [did I infer this correctly?] (So saith George Krashos - May 9, 2009)

  • “longbeard” – Common:- a dwarven word for an elderly dwarf [did I infer this correctly?] (So saith George Krashos - June 13, 2009)

  • “laern” – [Common or some other language?]:- the term for a guild (singular and plural) in Impiltur (So saith George Krashos - September 11, 2010)

  • “narnoth” – [Common or some other language?]:- a trade (or grouping of various trades) which has voting status within a “laern” (So saith George Krashos - September 11, 2010)

  • “narnath” – [Common or some other language?]:- plural of “narnoth” (So saith George Krashos - September 11, 2010)


  • Also a reminder of the ones I asked about a couple of months ago (August 3, 2010).

    Like others, having now read through all the lore created in this scroll I can just also say "Wow!" with the rest of the scribes.

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    Posted - 07 Oct 2010 :  22:40:27  Show Profile  Visit Baragon Geddarm's Homepage Send Baragon Geddarm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
    Hail!

    Just here to drop off a 'Thank you George'.

    I snagged the dwarven clan name Ironshield out of a Realms book (GHotR I think) to use in my current campaign and was delighted to find your post on page 9 of this thread giving us such wonderful lore on them. It'll greatly help to flesh out the history of a small tomb I'm creating.

    So again, Thank you George. I can't wait to dig through here for more fun historical Realmslore.
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    Well the time has come for my first post following a long time of lurking the halls.

    @Kyrene

    as far warblade, warsword and alorn are concerned, Power of Faerun p.29 is the answer. There is a table with sample military ranks of Faerun.

    according to this table

    warblade is the equal of a private
    warsword is the equal of a sergeant
    alorn is the equal of a lieutenant


    well, now is the time to find a way to demote the alorn pc in my campaign :P

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    Posted - 08 Oct 2010 :  08:20:38  Show Profile  Visit Kyrene's Homepage Send Kyrene a Private Message  Reply with Quote
    quote:
    Originally posted by Ptomahawk

    Well the time has come for my first post following a long time of lurking the halls.
    Glad you did then!
    quote:
    as far warblade, warsword and alorn are concerned, Power of Faerun p.29 is the answer. There is a table with sample military ranks of Faerun.
    Thanks. I had a sneaky suspicion it had been mentioned in previous 'official' sources, just didn't know where to start digging. I'm sure I'll get more (AFB at this writing), than just those ranks from that page.

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Kyrene

    George,

    What is the difference between "Impilturian" and "Impilturan"? I currently have is defined as:
  • “Impilturian” – Common:- a term applied to Impilturan work, study, beliefs, and customs, and to items of their making (So saith George Krashos - November 14, 2008)

  • “Impilturan” – Common:- a term applied to the collective folk of Impiltur (Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting by Ed Greenwood, Sean K. Reynolds, Skip Williams, Rob Heinsoo)

  • but may be wrong in that "Impilturan" also refers to the culture, and "Impilturian" only to items made in Impiltur.



    I take Impilturan to refer to exactly what the FRCS 3E says it does -references to the collective folk of Impiltur. Hence a group of Impilturan warriors could invade Thesk, but they'd be wielding Impilturian weapons and exhibiting strange, Impilturian customs and beliefs. I wouldn't attach the term "Impilturan" to culture.

    quote:

    Then, what are the following:
  • “bluntquills” – Common:- something like a gossip writer? (So saith George Krashos - November 14, 2008)

  • “spellslay” – Common:- slay with spells (from ambush)? (So saith George Krashos - August 2, 2010)




  • I used the term "bluntquills" to mean what we call "hack writers" - in its simplest definition, it would mean a writers whose work indicates that quantity takes precedence over quality.

    I'm pretty sure that Ed has used the term "spellslay" and again I would attribute to it its simplest meaning as you have - to kill with spells. I do not think the term requires the "ambush" qualifier.

    As for your other queries, "heartburst" is indeed just like "heartstop" although in the interests of adding variety to your Realms I'd say that the latter term has more application in the Sword Coast, Heartlands and North, while the latter has more use in the Dales, Moonsea and Easting Reach.

    "Blacktongue fever" is not my invention - it features in 'Power of Faerϋn' (p.94) and is simply that - a fever-oriented illness.

    As for the terms "oldbeard" and "longbeard" they indeed both mean a reference to an elderly dwarf but they have subtle nuances. "Oldbeard" is also used in the context of youg dwarves who appear mature beyond their years ("Dorn was always the oldbeard of the Company of the Brandished Axe") while "longbeard" can and is used in the context of a "wise elder, older person with standing or who commands respect in a dwarven clan or community".

    The terms "laern" and "narnoth/ath" are words of the Damaran language but have equal utility in the Easting Reach region with common tongue terms "guild", "trade(s)" etc.

    Hope this has been helpful.

    -- George Krashos

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Baragon Geddarm

    Hail!

    Just here to drop off a 'Thank you George'.

    I snagged the dwarven clan name Ironshield out of a Realms book (GHotR I think) to use in my current campaign and was delighted to find your post on page 9 of this thread giving us such wonderful lore on them. It'll greatly help to flesh out the history of a small tomb I'm creating.

    So again, Thank you George. I can't wait to dig through here for more fun historical Realmslore.



    My pleasure. Great to see it helping out a poor, harried DM!

    Enjoy.

    -- George Krashos

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    quote:
    Originally posted by George Krashos

    Hope this has been helpful.

    -- George Krashos


    Above and beyond again as usual, GK. My thanks!

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    what day was the tree tied to Bahamut planted and what day did Gareth destroy the rod of orcus??

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    quote:
    Originally posted by sfdragon

    what day was the tree tied to Bahamut planted and what day did Gareth destroy the rod of orcus??


    Arbor day and V-Day.

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    quote:
    Originally posted by sfdragon

    what day was the tree tied to Bahamut planted and what day did Gareth destroy the rod of orcus??



    That event occurred in 1359 DR. No actual day was ever set as the event arose out of the H4 Throne of Bloddstone module which meant that every DM would have their own individual timing for it and it would vary from campaign to campaign.

    Go out on a limb - choose dates that you like. You've got a whole year to choose from.

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Ionik Knight

    quote:
    Originally posted by sfdragon

    what day was the tree tied to Bahamut planted and what day did Gareth destroy the rod of orcus??


    Arbor day and V-Day.



    Excellent response! I wish I'd thought of it!

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    Posted - 21 Oct 2010 :  04:35:26  Show Profile Send sfdragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
    quote:
    Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

    quote:
    Originally posted by Ionik Knight

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    Originally posted by sfdragon

    what day was the tree tied to Bahamut planted and what day did Gareth destroy the rod of orcus??


    Arbor day and V-Day.



    Excellent response! I wish I'd thought of it!



    but then we'd need the realmsian month and day equivalent.

    and were you two trying to be smart guys???

    why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power


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    Ionik Knight
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    Posted - 21 Oct 2010 :  17:30:28  Show Profile  Visit Ionik Knight's Homepage Send Ionik Knight a Private Message  Reply with Quote
    quote:
    Originally posted by sfdragon

    quote:
    Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

    quote:
    Originally posted by Ionik Knight

    quote:
    Originally posted by sfdragon

    what day was the tree tied to Bahamut planted and what day did Gareth destroy the rod of orcus??


    Arbor day and V-Day.



    Excellent response! I wish I'd thought of it!



    but then we'd need the realmsian month and day equivalent.

    and were you two trying to be smart guys???


    I can't speak for the Hamster, but I never try to be smart...too much work. Besides being funny is lots more....wait for it....FUN!

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    Posted - 22 Oct 2010 :  00:12:32  Show Profile Send sfdragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
    a person I once worked with, always asked me that when I was being an arse... so smart guy actually meant smart Arse

    why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power


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    Posted - 24 Nov 2010 :  06:46:50  Show Profile Send sfdragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
    Mod Edit: You've apparently posted this query in the wrong scroll, sf. I'm shifting it over to Erik's instead.

    why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power


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    Edited by - The Sage on 24 Nov 2010 07:11:16
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    George Krashos
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    Posted - 25 Nov 2010 :  00:23:57  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
    Dang! And I was hoping I'd get to craft some more realmslore ...

    -- George Krashos

    "Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus

    Edited by - George Krashos on 25 Nov 2010 00:24:19
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    Posted - 25 Nov 2010 :  02:38:28  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message  Reply with Quote
    quote:
    Originally posted by George Krashos

    Dang! And I was hoping I'd get to craft some more realmslore ...

    -- George Krashos



    You still can!

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    Posted - 27 Nov 2010 :  20:29:12  Show Profile Send coach a Private Message  Reply with Quote
    """As for the "end" of Vedrymmell as an elven realm, I haven't quite worked that out. That end has something to do with a lack of High Magic (see the High Magic chapter in the "Cormanthyr" accessory for an undetailed lore hook) and my feeling is that by 350 DR or so whatever disaster it is that brings this realm down, has occurred leaving a few small clans still resident there but no coherent elven realm."""

    George, have you any more thoughts or ideas on the fall of Vedrymmell since this post by you awhile (lol 6 months) ago?

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    Edited by - coach on 27 Nov 2010 20:29:41
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    crazedventurers
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    Posted - 17 Feb 2011 :  14:10:52  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message  Reply with Quote
    Hello George

    Am trying to tie up the Immerdusk line.

    In your sleeping sword piece you mention two twins that become part of the sword circa 291DR or so, (http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14789)

    We know that Storm becomes Marchioness Immerdusk several centuries later.

    So did the Immerdusk line die out and was reinstated to Storm or did she just take over as head of the family when she was enobled?

    Thanks

    Damian

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    Edited by - crazedventurers on 17 Feb 2011 14:11:40
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    George Krashos
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    Posted - 17 Feb 2011 :  15:46:09  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
    quote:
    Originally posted by crazedventurers

    Hello George

    Am trying to tie up the Immerdusk line.

    In your sleeping sword piece you mention two twins that become part of the sword circa 291DR or so, (http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14789)

    We know that Storm becomes Marchioness Immerdusk several centuries later.

    So did the Immerdusk line die out and was reinstated to Storm or did she just take over as head of the family when she was enobled?

    Thanks

    Damian



    Hi Damian

    The Immerdusks weren't ennobled until Storm Silverhand was made marchioness by King Baerovus (as detailed in the novel "Stormlight", pgs.115-116). Before then they were a well-to-do family, known for their ability to produce astounding numbers of smart, tough and big fighting men who almost always took service with the Purple Dragons (and before there were Purple Dragons - created in the time of Duar as I recall - service with the king's host or serving as bodyguards for the Silver familes and a few individual Obarskyrs) and fought (and died) for the realm in significant numbers over many centuries.

    A few of them rose to high station with the Purple Dragons, the most famous of whom were Norlar Immerdusk who was Battlemaster in the time of Azoun II and the first to scale the walls of rebel Arabel in the final assault on that city when it was brought to heel (again) in 1050 DR; Daraghard Immerdusk who achieved the station of Lord High Marshal despite his commoner ancestry in the reign of Bryntarth II (and was ennobled in doing so although the title was his alone and died with him - the Immerdusks as a family were not ennobled at the time); and Jarth Immerdusk who was given the unique (and never used since) Purple Dragon rank of Kingsblade (higher than Oversword but lower than Battlemaster) by Galaghard III for his bravery in the battles with the Witchlords.

    Hope this has been helpful.

    -- George Krashos

    "Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus

    Edited by - George Krashos on 17 Feb 2011 15:46:46
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    crazedventurers
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    Posted - 17 Feb 2011 :  18:34:55  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message  Reply with Quote
    quote:
    Originally posted by George Krashos
    Hope this has been helpful.
    -- George Krashos



    Very helpful, thanks George for the lore

    One more Realms quandry resolved

    Cheers

    Damian

    EDIT: do we have a (approximate) date for Storm's enoblement?

    So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
    Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
    shudder,
    love to all,
    THO
    Candlekeep Forum 7 May 2005

    Edited by - crazedventurers on 17 Feb 2011 18:36:52
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