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Alaundo
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Posted - 10 Jan 2008 :  16:51:09  Show Profile  Visit Alaundo's Homepage Send Alaundo a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Well met

This is a Book Club thread for the short story entitled "Redemption", by Elaine Cunningham, from the Realms of War anthology.

Please discuss herein.

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I enjoyed it, wish there was more of Arilyn in the story but as I thought, it was great to see everyone again.

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I wish there had been more of everything in the story ^.^ But I did like the byplay between Elaith and Ferret. I hope to see more of those two in EC's next book.
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 16 Jan 2008 :  02:55:26  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lady Fellshot

I wish there had been more of everything in the story ^.^ But I did like the byplay between Elaith and Ferret. I hope to see more of those two in EC's next book.


You will.
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Posted - 16 Jan 2008 :  02:59:14  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SirUrza

I enjoyed it, wish there was more of Arilyn in the story but as I thought, it was great to see everyone again.


Lots more Arilyn coming in RECLAMATION. And even more Arilyn coming in a graphic novel in the Worlds of D&D series from Devil's Due. It's a good year for kick-ass half-elves.
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Wow... Devil's Due is branching out from the Drizzt remakes! I can't wait! :)

*scrabbles to find PREVIEW to find out when it's coming out*

Hmm.. February.. starting with Drizzt and Raistlin.

Should be interesting. :)

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I think it's cool that Elaith went from wanting to Kill Dan the first time they met, to where he is so different
that Dans garden is where he feels most at home.

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I enjoyed this story, and it made me think about why the story is called "Redemption". This story takes us into the mind of Elaith. We learn of an event that suggests that Elaith is indeed "redeemable", although his actions in the story suggest otherwise (to me, anyway). Elaith clearly justifies his actions with the idea that they are what he was meant to do, and the reason why he was spared, but I personally wondered if that was just his rationalization for what he does.

It was great reading about characters like Arilyn, Danilo, and Ferret again. I look foward to reading about them more later this year.

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quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

quote:
Originally posted by SirUrza

I enjoyed it, wish there was more of Arilyn in the story but as I thought, it was great to see everyone again.


Lots more Arilyn coming in RECLAMATION. And even more Arilyn coming in a graphic novel in the Worlds of D&D series from Devil's Due. It's a good year for kick-ass half-elves.



Are you kidding us? Which book? Seems like another title I simply have to buy and also suggest it to our Acquisition and Cataloguing Department (hey, I never pretended to be overly objective when it comes to Collection Development )

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This was a great story. I could tell that this was written to lead into "Reclamation", so when I was done reading it, it saddened me even more that Reclamation will not see the light of day.

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Kyrene
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As a preamble, I will say that I have not read any of Elaine's novels. I have read all of her short stories in the anthologies I do own and have also read The City of Splendors. I am vaguely familiar with Arilyn, and a little more with Elaith -- I've also always enjoyed his cameo in Neverwinter Nights 1.

What I do like is how -- much like Jarlaxle does -- Elaith always has a few tricks and/or magic items up his sleeve. I'm not sure saving the day, because of Ferret's murderous mistake, worked for me. Then again, I'm not familiar with Ferret at all, so might be missing some back-story that justifies why she does what she does. Tricking and using the ogres was nicely done, as well as the interplay between the different species of elves. It was a nice enough -- if unsatisfying -- episode in Elaith life.

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Posted - 11 Aug 2008 :  17:05:36  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You can read about Ferret in the Songs and Swords series, specifically Silver Shadows.

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Kyrene
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quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

You can read about Ferret in the Songs and Swords series, specifically Silver Shadows.


Speaking of Ferret, is she a wild or wood elf? The use of sy Tel'Quessir seems to indicate wild, but it's never made clear throughout the tale.

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Posted - 12 Aug 2008 :  18:35:15  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kyrene

quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

You can read about Ferret in the Songs and Swords series, specifically Silver Shadows.


Speaking of Ferret, is she a wild or wood elf? The use of sy Tel'Quessir seems to indicate wild, but it's never made clear throughout the tale.



Well, she was created, IIRC, before "wild elves" and "wood elves" were made into separate races. In the Silver Shadows, she was called a wild elf. Were she created today, she might have been called a wood elf.

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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 12 Aug 2008 :  18:46:55  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

quote:
Originally posted by Kyrene

quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

You can read about Ferret in the Songs and Swords series, specifically Silver Shadows.


Speaking of Ferret, is she a wild or wood elf? The use of sy Tel'Quessir seems to indicate wild, but it's never made clear throughout the tale.



Well, she was created, IIRC, before "wild elves" and "wood elves" were made into separate races. In the Silver Shadows, she was called a wild elf. Were she created today, she might have been called a wood elf.



And has she been created for fourth edition, she would have been simply an elf, as opposed to the Eladrin, with no qualifiers needed.

As RF mentioned, Ferret came into being when wild, green, wood, and forest were different ways of describing the same elven subrace.

The good folks at WotC do like to shuffle the elf cards every now and again.

Edited by - ElaineCunningham on 12 Aug 2008 19:38:12
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 12 Aug 2008 :  18:55:17  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kyrene

It was a nice enough -- if unsatisfying -- episode in Elaith life.



Fair enough. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Most likely the story would have had more resonance had you read Ferret's story. And certainly, it would have made more sense in terms of Reclamation, the novel-that-wasn't-and-never-will-be.

To put the story in a broader context--or at least a different one-- here's one of the events of "Redemption" told from the viewpoint of a middle-aged lythari female. This is an excerpt from Reclamation.

******

Excerpt removed at author's request.

Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 03 Sep 2009 15:09:13
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 12 Aug 2008 :  19:01:14  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage  Reply with Quote
PS: In the larger context, Elaith's actions in "Redemption" helped to protect Evermeet's hidden prince, the son Amnestria bore him fifty years ago. He doesn't have a clue, of course.


Edited by - ElaineCunningham on 12 Aug 2008 19:05:53
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 12 Aug 2008 :  20:21:08  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for sharing the excerpt with us.

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That's an interesting excerpt... And it seems to imply that any offspring with only one parent being a lythari would be a werewolf. Can you comment further on that?

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ElaineCunningham
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

That's an interesting excerpt... And it seems to imply that any offspring with only one parent being a lythari would be a werewolf. Can you comment further on that?


No, that's not the implication at all. Starnya is trying to impress upon Ganamede the magnitude of what he has done. Here's the logic:

a)Humans are afraid of werewolves, not only because of their viciousness, but because of their tracking skills. Once a werewolf starts hunting you, you're in serious trouble.
b)Humans DON'T KNOW MUCH about the lythari, other than they are reclusive (read, "harmless") and elves (read, "probably good-alligned"). Not a threat, in other words.
c)BUT! If humans learned that a lythari was tracking humans to help an assassin, they might lump lythari in with werewolves and fear/hunt/destroy them with equal fervor.

As far as I know, there are no genetic ties between werewolves and lythari.

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quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

That's an interesting excerpt... And it seems to imply that any offspring with only one parent being a lythari would be a werewolf. Can you comment further on that?


No, that's not the implication at all. Starnya is trying to impress upon Ganamede the magnitude of what he has done. Here's the logic:

a)Humans are afraid of werewolves, not only because of their viciousness, but because of their tracking skills. Once a werewolf starts hunting you, you're in serious trouble.
b)Humans DON'T KNOW MUCH about the lythari, other than they are reclusive (read, "harmless") and elves (read, "probably good-alligned"). Not a threat, in other words.
c)BUT! If humans learned that a lythari was tracking humans to help an assassin, they might lump lythari in with werewolves and fear/hunt/destroy them with equal fervor.

As far as I know, there are no genetic ties between werewolves and lythari.



Ah, okay. I was reading that entirely the wrong way. Thank you for clearing that up for me.

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Kyrene
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quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

Fair enough. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Most likely the story would have had more resonance had you read Ferret's story.

Sadly, that is more than likely not going to happen. I think I just missed out on most of your books, and will have great difficulty getting my hands on them now over here. Thanks for the excerpt, I shall certainly print it out (mass paperback size) and stick it in my copy of Realms of War.

Just to explain, unsatisfying meant "longing for more" not "didn't like".

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You might be able to find the books you want online--check nobleknight.com.

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hmmm...missed reading the excerpt. If anyone has a copy of it saved, and it isn't agaist any policy or NDA to do so, could a copy be sent to me via a pm or email?

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quote:
Originally posted by Xnella Moonblade-Thann

hmmm...missed reading the excerpt. If anyone has a copy of it saved, and it isn't agaist any policy or NDA to do so, could a copy be sent to me via a pm or email?

I'm afraid that's not possible, as it was Elaine's wish -- in the aftermath of the excerpt being removed -- that such content no longer be freely distributed.

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ah...okay. Thank you for clearing that up, Sage.

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