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AuldDragon Posted - 12 Feb 2014 : 10:35:26
I've been a huge fan of the Faiths & Avatars format created by Julia Martin and Eric Boyd, and I always wanted a fourth book to be published, companion to Faiths & Avatars, Powers & Pantheons, and Demihuman Deities. Since there's no chance now of seeing an official one, I decided to create my own, updating the deities from DMGR4 Monster Mythology, as well as some others. I write these from the point of view of 2nd Edition, incorporating primarily only that canon, and focusing on the whole 2e multiverse, so where possible, I mention canon from all 2nd Edition settings. I post the main entries on my blog, and then will update this thread.

If you’ve been enjoying these entries, please consider supporting the project on Patreon or Ko-Fi:
https://www.patreon.com/MonsterMythology
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Bugbear (and Other) Pantheon:
Grankhul the Hunter: http://bit.ly/1TTie59
Hruggek the Decapitator: http://bit.ly/1XX3cus
Meriadar the Patient One: http://bit.ly/1RTjyNC
Skiggaret the Deranged One: http://bit.ly/1X3bgdU
Stalker, the Hateful Shadow: http://bit.ly/1O7VbB3

Goblin Pantheon:
Bargrivyek the Peacekeeper: http://bit.ly/1U3efkG
Khugorbaeyag the Overseer: http://bit.ly/24ne4Cb
Maglubiyet the Mighty One: http://bit.ly/1TNW2UB
Nomog-Geaya the General: http://bit.ly/1ss21aV

Kobold and Urd Pantheon:
Dakarnok the Raider: http://bit.ly/1UBjZAN
Gaknulak the Trapmaker: http://bit.ly/1TTjqVU
Kuraulyek the Horned Thief: http://bit.ly/1PaE0de
Kurtulmak the Cunning: http://bit.ly/1PsgPAp

Orcish Pantheon:
Bahgtru the Leg-Breaker: http://bit.ly/1UmIK0I
Gruumsh One-Eye: http://bit.ly/1VCla5n
Ilneval the Horde Leader: http://bit.ly/24nfwV7
Luthic the Cave Mother: http://bit.ly/1UBjd6N
Shargaas the Night Lord: http://bit.ly/1sTJO5O
Yurtrus White-Hands: http://bit.ly/25FbI7s

The Ordning:
Annam the All-Father: http://bit.ly/1U0cJOR
Diancastra, the Wanton Wanderer: http://bit.ly/1PaEzUo
Grolantor the Steading Lord: http://bit.ly/1U3fGQ5
Grond Peaksmasher: http://bit.ly/24nggt6
Hiatea the Huntress: http://bit.ly/1XpIe9p
Iallanis the Tender One: http://bit.ly/1X3cvd4
Karontor the Deformed One: http://bit.ly/1O7VU5v
Memnor the Deceiver: http://bit.ly/1UBjLcS
Skoreaus Stonebones, the Living Rock: http://bit.ly/1UBjLcS
Stronmaus the Storm Lord: http://bit.ly/289ALyn
Surtr the Black: http://bit.ly/289ABqP
Thrym, the King of Ice: http://bit.ly/25Corob

Gnoll Pantheon:
Gorellik the Loner: http://bit.ly/1UBjXZy
Refnara the Moon-Biter: http://bit.ly/1PspJ11
Yeenoghu the Demon Prince of Gnolls: http://bit.ly/1UBk87a

Ogre Pantheon:
Mirklak the Orcslayer: http://bit.ly/1VCpPnK
Vaprak the Destroyer: http://bit.ly/1TTm1zk
Ysshara the Lorekeeper: http://bit.ly/1t7fJk7

Interlopers on the Giant Pantheon:
Baphomet, Demon Lord of Minotaurs: http://bit.ly/1U3lSrf
Kostchtchie, the Demon Prince of Wrath: http://bit.ly/1XpQeHa

Draconic Pantheon (Io's Children):
Aasterinian, the Messenger of Io: http://bit.ly/1XpQuWH
Arcanic the Learned: http://bit.ly/1WzDlK9
Astilabor the Hoardmistress: http://bit.ly/1PaJGDQ
Bahamut the Platinum Dragon: http://bit.ly/2gcEmW6
Chronepsis the Death Dragon: http://bit.ly/1O7Yx7l
Elemtia the Tempest: http://bit.ly/1U3m1uJ
Faluzure the Night Dragon: http://bit.ly/1ZcdvtA
Garyx the Firelord: http://bit.ly/1X3g6In
Hlal the Jester: http://bit.ly/2aI5MoG
Io the Ninefold Dragon: http://bit.ly/2iuNgmv
Kalzareinad, The Keeper of Dark Wonders: http://bit.ly/1VCqHc5
Kereska Wonderbringer: http://bit.ly/2fbhbMv
Lendys the Balancer: http://bit.ly/1U3nzos
Rais, The Cogitative One: http://bit.ly/20Y18Sg
Sardior the Ruby Dragon: http://bit.ly/2bMvFiS
Tamara the Merciful: http://bit.ly/2dMW2KH
Task the Wrester: http://bit.ly/29aUTaK
Tiamat the Chromatic Dragon: http://bit.ly/22DC4Bx
Zorquan the High One: http://bit.ly/1UjK9W9

Aerial Deities:
Jazirian the Eternal Serpent: http://bit.ly/1UmSlo6
Koriel the Vigilant: http://bit.ly/2kszfGg
Stillsong the Singing Sphere: http://bit.ly/2pAAh5J

Aquatic Deities:
Anguileusis the Abiding One: http://bit.ly/2lcZsdz
Blibdoolpoolp the Sea Mother: http://bit.ly/2tK3Pzc
Demogorgon, the Prince of Demons: http://bit.ly/2V7sVn3
Eadro the Deliverer: http://bit.ly/Eadro
Ilxendren the Demonray: http://bit.ly/2svK8MH
Panzuriel the Enslaver: http://bit.ly/2CJf7IQ
Persana, Guardian of the Deep: http://bit.ly/2OXzuFW
Sekolah the Great Shark: http://bit.ly/2iyzGR3
Surminare the Selkie Queen: http://bit.ly/2nsA7cU
Trishina the Waverider: http://bit.ly/1t7h0rg
Water Lion the Sharkslayer: http://bit.ly/2x7BNwt

Avian Deities:
Krocaa the Crimsonfeather: http://bit.ly/2BL3ddK
Quorlinn the Filcher: http://bit.ly/2iTi41K
Remnis, the Great Lord of the Eagles: http://bit.ly/2J4orfd
Syranita, Mistress of the Aarakocra: http://bit.ly/2qFphWC

Reptilian and Amphibian Deities:
Laogzed the Devourer: http://bit.ly/2vo4pox
Merrshaulk the Serpent Lord: http://bit.ly/Merrshaulk
Parrafaire the Naga Prince: http://bit.ly/2epLsHv
Ramenos the Great Frog: http://bit.ly/1sTUIsi
Semuanya the Survivor: http://bit.ly/2SzBYfM
Sess'innek the Emperor Lizard: http://bit.ly/2EuSHcW
Shekinester the Three-Faced Queen: http://bit.ly/Shekinester

Centaur Pantheon:
Brilros the Battle Stallion: http://bit.ly/2XmYvhK
Chitza-Atlan, the Guardian of the Gateway to the Underworld: http://bit.ly/2NCr5HT
Fanthros Storm-Hooves: http://bit.ly/2KKZH9m
Kheiron the Educator: http://bit.ly/35T1VNf
Linroth Fleet-Hoof: http://bit.ly/2PvXvUv
Naharra the Mother-Mare: http://bit.ly/32kSzIc
Skerrit the Hoofed Lord: http://bit.ly/1t7gQQH

Lycanthrope Pantheon:
Balador the Master of Mead: http://bit.ly/2MMJ7qp
Daragor the Wolflord: http://bit.ly/2GIbUL7
Eshebala the Vixen Queen: http://bit.ly/2LoZOLw
Ferrix the Prowler: http://bit.ly/2N5fGSg
Squerrik the Ratlord: http://bit.ly/24nmVDV

Seelie Court:
Caoimhin the Kindly: http://bit.ly/2obZk0g
Damh the Horned Beast: http://bit.ly/2xy2LQx
Eachthighern the Unicorn Lord: https://bit.ly/33ja8M2
Emmantiensien the Treant-King: https://bit.ly/2wKVVKH
Fionnghuala the Mistress of Swans: http://bit.ly/20Y1bNS
Nathair Sgiathach the Prankster: http://bit.ly/2ZOPwYY
Oberon the Faerie King: https://bit.ly/3wiU1L7
Squelaiche the Court Jester: https://bit.ly/3gkuybw
Tapann the Undying: https://bit.ly/3zmugeL
Titania the Faerie Queen: https://bit.ly/3jzLU8W
Verenestra the Oak Princess: http://bit.ly/2L8jTGz

Unseelie Court
The Queen of Air and Darkness: https://bit.ly/3onJXPp

Beholder Pantheon:
Great Mother, the Hive Spawner: http://bit.ly/2UgrWn2
Gzemnid the Gas Giant: http://bit.ly/2MjGnS1

Deities “missing” from Demihuman Deities:
Alathrien Druanna, the Rune Mistress: https://bit.ly/34BKFNK
Araleth Letheranil the Prince of Stars: https://bit.ly/3lxhFxY
Cador the Shadow Knife: https://bit.ly/3qhraUh
Diinkarazan, the Mad God: https://bit.ly/3pivLWG
Diirinka the Betrayer: http://bit.ly/387V7Mo
Keptolo the Eager Consort: https://bit.ly/3KDxMXE
Kirith Sotheril the Magess: https://bit.ly/3HxwKcP
Klikral
Mythrien Sarath, the Watcher over Mythals: https://bit.ly/3NterII
Naralis Analor, the Watcher of Souls: http://bit.ly/3r5IAmR
Nebelun the Meddler: http://bit.ly/1TO1req
Rellavar Danuvien, the Frost Sprite King: https://bit.ly/3yxZo92
Tethrin Veraldé the Shining One: http://bit.ly/2MjGnS1

Myconid Pantheon:
Psilofyr the Spore Lord: https://bit.ly/2Dnsl0L

Illithid Pantheon:
Ilsensine
Maanzecorian

Undead Deities:
Kanchelsis the Lord of Vampires: https://bit.ly/3fs3n37
Mellifleur the Lich-Lord: https://bit.ly/34oq2I0

Elemental Deities
Cryonax the Prince of Evil Ice: https://bit.ly/3uKZdr9
The Elder Elemental God
Olhydra the Princess of Evil Water: https://bit.ly/3cSv2ZN

Miscellaneous Dark Deities:
Cegilune
The Dark God
Juiblex the Faceless Lord: https://bit.ly/3LALnP9
Piscaethces

Neogi Pantheon
Kil’lix the Ambitious: http://bit.ly/3td5z0Q
Kr’tx the Flaming Master: https://bit.ly/3jVvjsZ
P'kk the Dominator: https://bit.ly/3EO5R3t
Thrig’ki the Rapacious: https://bit.ly/2QCBolt
T’zen’kil the Lasher: https://bit.ly/3fAXYEn
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AuldDragon Posted - 01 Oct 2022 : 20:27:54
Kanchelsis the Lord of Vampires: https://bit.ly/3fs3n37

Just in time for the Halloween season comes the Lord of Vampires, Kanchelsis! He is a dual-natured deity, both a sophisticated, high-society bon vivant and a wild creature of brutal hunts and violence. This duality is the same as that held by vampires within mortal, living society.

Jeff
AuldDragon Posted - 03 Sep 2022 : 16:12:53
quote:
Originally posted by Azar

quote:
Originally posted by AuldDragon

Well, in 2e, Drow can't be bards, so that would be a slight barrier there. ;)


ALL Drow or...?

The reason I ask is because the outlier Drow goddess (i.e., Eilistraee) is fond of music and dance; you'd think her followers - at the minimum - would pursue the calling of the Bard.



All elves, yes, which includes drow. Half-elves can be bards though. But loving music and dance doesn't automatically mean bard. Anyone can love music and dance. Bard in 2e at least was much more than just someone who loved music and dance; they also loved stories and wandering and being more than a little roguish while dabbling in magic. Elves who get interested in magic weren't seen as "dabbling."

Jeff
Azar Posted - 03 Sep 2022 : 08:31:07
quote:
Originally posted by AuldDragon

Well, in 2e, Drow can't be bards, so that would be a slight barrier there. ;)


ALL Drow or...?

The reason I ask is because the outlier Drow goddess (i.e., Eilistraee) is fond of music and dance; you'd think her followers - at the minimum - would pursue the calling of the Bard.
AuldDragon Posted - 02 Sep 2022 : 20:04:09
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

Adds a whole new nuance when someone calls a drow male a Kept' male

I had never really noticed this deity... and I must say I like the idea of him as a drow deity focused on their society and less of being "an adventurer". I know you're writing this up in reference to second edition. With that in mind, what do you think of him sponsoring some bard colleges. Also, just to throw out an unusual idea... just as there are often stories of women bellydancers and the like entertaining men of power... what if he has some spellcasters that practice a form of dance magic (I know there was some rules for such in 2nd edition, but they elude me a the moment... maybe a dragon article?). Also, maybe he also sponsors something along the line of a culinary school for drow male chefs (picturing Hell's Kitchen with Gordon Ramsay in the Underdark).


Well, in 2e, Drow can't be bards, so that would be a slight barrier there. ;)

His faith might sponsor similar things that couple entertainment with subterfuge though. I can't recall anything specific about *dance* magic, although there is the Spellsinger in Wizards and Rogues of the Realms.

Jeff
sleyvas Posted - 02 Sep 2022 : 13:59:13
quote:
Originally posted by AuldDragon

Keptolo the Eager Consort: https://bit.ly/3KDxMXE

Originally published in Dragon Magazine #298 for 3rd Edition, Keptolo offered a nice alternative to Vhaeraun and Selvetarm for male drow living within the matriarchal societies of Lolth-worshipping drow, and had some connections with another deity I plan to work on Zinzerena. Further, he had no strong connections or contradictions with other material, so he was a great candidate for writing up as a 2nd Editions deity. Enjoy!

Jeff



Adds a whole new nuance when someone calls a drow male a Kept' male

I had never really noticed this deity... and I must say I like the idea of him as a drow deity focused on their society and less of being "an adventurer". I know you're writing this up in reference to second edition. With that in mind, what do you think of him sponsoring some bard colleges. Also, just to throw out an unusual idea... just as there are often stories of women bellydancers and the like entertaining men of power... what if he has some spellcasters that practice a form of dance magic (I know there was some rules for such in 2nd edition, but they elude me a the moment... maybe a dragon article?). Also, maybe he also sponsors something along the line of a culinary school for drow male chefs (picturing Hell's Kitchen with Gordon Ramsay in the Underdark).

ericlboyd Posted - 02 Sep 2022 : 12:21:42
quote:
Originally posted by AuldDragon

quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd

Found two more obscure deities: Hurfurbian Mirrorbones, son of Garl Glittergold, and his cousin Elbow-Wick. See Dragon #291, page 40.

--Eric



Thanks, I'll take a look at those! :D

Jeff



George did a nice job for once writing up Elbow-Wick. You should bug him to share.
AuldDragon Posted - 02 Sep 2022 : 01:54:41
Keptolo the Eager Consort: https://bit.ly/3KDxMXE

Originally published in Dragon Magazine #298 for 3rd Edition, Keptolo offered a nice alternative to Vhaeraun and Selvetarm for male drow living within the matriarchal societies of Lolth-worshipping drow, and had some connections with another deity I plan to work on Zinzerena. Further, he had no strong connections or contradictions with other material, so he was a great candidate for writing up as a 2nd Editions deity. Enjoy!

Jeff
AuldDragon Posted - 02 Aug 2022 : 20:46:25
quote:
Originally posted by Baltas

Interesting article on Olhydra. I though you might write Olhydra to have some Kuo-Toa worshippers, lured away from her possible sister, and/or due to her alliance with Dagon (and reference to not only Lovecraft, but also that Kuo-Toa being seemingly depicted as worshipping her in Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal).

Though the strong alliance between Dagon and Olhydra, was only detailed/though up in 3E (if up to them having two daughters), so I guess ths the reason you didn't use that.

Among though entities connected to Olhydra, there is an interesting "trio" of Sea Hags serving Olhydra - the Blue Coven. They started out as 3 sea hags that summoned and tried to control Olhydra, but were overpowered by her. Olhydra was though impressed by their ambition, and allowed them to live, as her worshipers, overtime becoming her proxy. Singular proxy, as in time, probably due to Olydra's influence, the three sea hags minds merged, and they are now one being with 3 bodies, and aparenly one of the most powerful hags in the multiverse. This also caused Cegilune to resent Olhydra and the Blue Coven over this. (From 2E Planescape sourcebook "The Inner Planes").



I don't think Kuo-Toa would *particularly* worship her, over any other race, really. She seems to have a particular base among sahuagin in the 2e material. Some definitely would, though, but they would be exiles or do it in secret. I can't imagine the priests of Blibdoolpoolp would allow worship to persist openly.

I was not a big fan of a LOT of things in the Baldur's Gate games. :)

As to Cegilune, Olhydra doesn't care about her. The reverse may not be true... ;)

Jeff
Baltas Posted - 02 Aug 2022 : 15:34:17
Interesting article on Olhydra. I though you might write Olhydra to have some Kuo-Toa worshippers, lured away from her possible sister, and/or due to her alliance with Dagon (and reference to not only Lovecraft, but also that Kuo-Toa being seemingly depicted as worshipping her in Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal).

Though the strong alliance between Dagon and Olhydra, was only detailed/though up in 3E (if up to them having two daughters), so I guess ths the reason you didn't use that.

Among though entities connected to Olhydra, there is an interesting "trio" of Sea Hags serving Olhydra - the Blue Coven. They started out as 3 sea hags that summoned and tried to control Olhydra, but were overpowered by her. Olhydra was though impressed by their ambition, and allowed them to live, as her worshipers, overtime becoming her proxy. Singular proxy, as in time, probably due to Olydra's influence, the three sea hags minds merged, and they are now one being with 3 bodies, and aparenly one of the most powerful hags in the multiverse. This also caused Cegilune to resent Olhydra and the Blue Coven over this. (From 2E Planescape sourcebook "The Inner Planes").
AuldDragon Posted - 01 Aug 2022 : 17:16:12
quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd

Found two more obscure deities: Hurfurbian Mirrorbones, son of Garl Glittergold, and his cousin Elbow-Wick. See Dragon #291, page 40.

--Eric



Thanks, I'll take a look at those! :D

Jeff
ericlboyd Posted - 01 Aug 2022 : 11:08:13
Found two more obscure deities: Hurfurbian Mirrorbones, son of Garl Glittergold, and his cousin Elbow-Wick. See Dragon #291, page 40.

--Eric
AuldDragon Posted - 01 Aug 2022 : 06:36:29
Olhydra the Princess of Evil Water: https://bit.ly/3cSv2ZN

Another of the Archomentals, Olhydra is the Archomental of Evil Water. She is possibly the closest of all of the archomentals to becoming a true deity, given her diverse array of worshipers. However, she is still not yet a true power, and thus cannot grant spells above 3rd level at this point as with the other archomentals.

Jeff
AuldDragon Posted - 01 Aug 2022 : 06:32:29
quote:
Originally posted by PattPlays

On your entry for Ramenos you say the Coatl scoff at the idea of Ramenos being related to the adjacent Sleepy Snake god of the Yuan-Ti Merrshaulk- putting doubt on theories that Ramenos can be connected with direct relation to the World Serpent. When I first read of this connection I was stunned to think that the Batrachi could have in a way praised the same world serpent as the Sarrukh and thus truly fit to continue the Baet'ith study and expansion of the Skins of the World Serpent- like the connection was poised to be plausible. I went to check for what you had to say on Ramenos and you say this about the Coatl. Not putting it past the Coatl to sow doubt about the validity of their enemies, but could you share where you sourced this from? Is it just your DM opinion? I want to get my hand on Planes of Chaos (I might have it somewhere) to see more for myself.


Oh, it isn't from anything, I made it up. There's no connection between the deities in 2nd edition, and I like the idea that no one can truly know such things, so some people will say one thing, and others will scoff at that being ridiculous. :)

Jeff
PattPlays Posted - 07 Jul 2022 : 07:31:47
On your entry for Ramenos you say the Coatl scoff at the idea of Ramenos being related to the adjacent Sleepy Snake god of the Yuan-Ti Merrshaulk- putting doubt on theories that Ramenos can be connected with direct relation to the World Serpent. When I first read of this connection I was stunned to think that the Batrachi could have in a way praised the same world serpent as the Sarrukh and thus truly fit to continue the Baet'ith study and expansion of the Skins of the World Serpent- like the connection was poised to be plausible. I went to check for what you had to say on Ramenos and you say this about the Coatl. Not putting it past the Coatl to sow doubt about the validity of their enemies, but could you share where you sourced this from? Is it just your DM opinion? I want to get my hand on Planes of Chaos (I might have it somewhere) to see more for myself.

My party in Faerun is in a dungeon that has some Sarrukh writings in it, and has a Slaad for a boss fight at the top- so I want to be able to squeeze these post-transformation Batrachi for all they are worth, haha.
Baltas Posted - 07 Jul 2022 : 06:52:47
quote:
Originally posted by AuldDragon

Shami-Amourae is high on my list of possibilities, since she is presented as a demigoddess in the Dungeon magazine compilation published fairly late in 2e (that republished the adventure she appeared in); pretty sure 3e usurped her role and gave it to another fiend that hadn't been published before (so far as I could tell) so it will likely not match the latest lore. I will have to look at Shaktari again, and I know nothing about Kardum. There's a few others from 2e that seem like prime possibilities for write-ups.

Jeff



Awesome. With Shami-Amourae she indeed was indeed replaced by Malcanthet, even in an in-universe event in the past (As detailed in Fiendish Codex I:: Hordes of the Abyss, Dragon #353 (Demonomicon of Demonomicon of Iggwilv article about Malcanthet and in most detail in Dungeon #148 by Eric, as mentioned by him). They are even similar, outside of being the Queens of Succubi, by both being lovers/consorts of Demogorgon (with maybe parts of lore of Malcanthet being possible to re-purpose for Shami-Amourae, though you might want to make them more different instead.)

3E also did retcon a bit Shami-Amourae's origin, that she was born from the first mortals lust, rather than soul of one ofthe first morals, along with other primordial succubi, her "sisters" the mentioned Malcanthet, 2E's Lynkhab, and Xinivrae (also a 3E creation), and others that did not survive (though you could say it's a metaphor, and they were born from lustful and/or hedonistic souls).

Curiously Shami-Amourae did appear in 5E, if as a Vestige and one of the Dark Powers of Ravenloft, though I'm not sure if you would like it, or use it.

Kardum, the Lord of Balors is also kinda a 3rd edition invention - kinda as he is inspired by Marduk, king of fire demons (Kardum is even an anagram of Marduk) from Gord the Rogue novels by Gary Gygax, and one of the Six Monarchs of Demonium/Demondum, most powerful active demon lords (along wih Demogorgon, Orcus, Zuggtmoy, Graz'zt and Lolth):
https://greyhawkonline.com/gordmain/outer/

Though I doubt you would would make him this important and as I mentioned, Kardum doesn't have a detaled cult, making me think he doesn't have a high possibility of getting his own entry (though maybe mentioned elsewere).
AuldDragon Posted - 07 Jul 2022 : 01:05:25
quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd

I wrote up Shami-Amoura in Dungeon #148 as part of the Savage Tide adventure path.

There’s also an FR Easter egg or two.

Eric



I'll take a look at that, thanks! :D

Jeff
ericlboyd Posted - 07 Jul 2022 : 01:03:57
I wrote up Shami-Amoura in Dungeon #148 as part of the Savage Tide adventure path.

There’s also an FR Easter egg or two.

Eric
AuldDragon Posted - 06 Jul 2022 : 22:47:27
quote:
Originally posted by Baltas

Also, I wonder, what do you think about including demon species Paragon Demon Lords, like Shaktari, Shami-Amourae, Kardum etc? (Though Kardum has very little material about him, and no details on his cult, if any).

They aren't really worshipped by their non-divine counterparts (then again, a similar situation was with Kanchelsis), but Shaktari and Shami-Amourae do have non-human worshippers (Shaktari - yuan-ti and nagas; Shami-Amourae elves and half-elves - maybe it was part of the reason for her conflict with Hanali Celanil? - and halflings).

Shaktari was more developed at the tail end of 3.5E (indeed, the last Demonomicon article, in the last paper Dragon Magazine), but debuted in 2E (also in a Dungeon magazine adventure - "Nemesis" in Dungeon #60).



Shami-Amourae is high on my list of possibilities, since she is presented as a demigoddess in the Dungeon magazine compilation published fairly late in 2e (that republished the adventure she appeared in); pretty sure 3e usurped her role and gave it to another fiend that hadn't been published before (so far as I could tell) so it will likely not match the latest lore. I will have to look at Shaktari again, and I know nothing about Kardum. There's a few others from 2e that seem like prime possibilities for write-ups.

Jeff
Baltas Posted - 06 Jul 2022 : 20:01:50
Also, I wonder, what do you think about including demon species Paragon Demon Lords, like Shaktari, Shami-Amourae, Kardum etc? (Though Kardum has very little material about him, and no details on his cult, if any).

They aren't really worshipped by their non-divine counterparts (then again, a similar situation was with Kanchelsis), but Shaktari and Shami-Amourae do have non-human worshippers (Shaktari - yuan-ti and nagas; Shami-Amourae elves and half-elves - maybe it was part of the reason for her conflict with Hanali Celanil? - and halflings).

Shaktari was more developed at the tail end of 3.5E (indeed, the last Demonomicon article, in the last paper Dragon Magazine), but debuted in 2E (also in a Dungeon magazine adventure - "Nemesis" in Dungeon #60).
AuldDragon Posted - 01 Jul 2022 : 06:16:35
Mythrien Sarath, the Watcher over Mythals: https://bit.ly/3NterII

An older elven power, but one who has lost much of his status, Mythrien Sarath is the power who oversees mythal magic, abjurations, and protection. With his lone avatar trapped on the Prime Material Plane after a botched ritual to restore his loss of standing, he now broods in his castle in Arvandor.

Jeff
AuldDragon Posted - 19 May 2022 : 06:17:07
quote:
Originally posted by LordofBones

All the military credentials in the world can't help the fact that Bwimb's name sounds like a Captain Planet villain's.



I mean, the Lord of Smoke is Ehkahk, which is onomatopoeia for a cough and Cryonax has "cold" in his name. :)
LordofBones Posted - 19 May 2022 : 01:27:28
All the military credentials in the world can't help the fact that Bwimb's name sounds like a Captain Planet villain's.
Baltas Posted - 13 May 2022 : 16:53:44
^ Maybe...but seeing Juilbex asociation with the Elder Elemental God in the same source thar describes him as such, is at least very curious.

With Bwimb and his daughter (also kinda reincarnation?), I think they might be the same kind of thing what Juilblex originally was. Bwimb was a fearsome general of the Queen of Chaos, as well despite being an ozze elemental being (between water and earth) also has a connection to the cult of the Black Flame, suggesting also an interesting conection the Elemental Plane of Fire, suggesting he was more than he seemed.

I would guess if we go with the elemental origins theory, it's possible Juiblex and Bwimb both were (intended as in 2E) (possibly Chaotic) Elemental beings of the same or similar kind, alied with the Queen of Chaos against the Wind Dukes of Aqaa, but also serving another, greater master (the EEG), who possibly supported the Queen of Chaos, at least at that time. Bwimb stayed in the Inner Planes and (seemingly?) moved away from Chaos, while Juiblex stayed in the Abyss, and overtime became a Demon Prince.

It's probable Bwimb and Juiblex were connected to the Oozes of genius intellect that worshipped the EEG (and Ghaunadaur) in ages past.
LordofBones Posted - 13 May 2022 : 14:53:47
To be fair, it could just be that Juiblex doesn't actually look tanar'ric; he's a giant ooze, while other tanar'ri either look animalistic or vaguely humanoid.

Then again, it also begs the question of what's his relation to Bwimb and his daughter.
Baltas Posted - 12 May 2022 : 19:43:42
Me too I think the Jubilex spelling an intentional tribute from Paizo, along a way to refernce the Faceless Lord.

- Also, I forgot to write, but I meant Paizo has Jubilex/Juiblex as a Qliphoth (Obyrith equivalent).
Wooly Rupert Posted - 12 May 2022 : 11:02:35
quote:
Originally posted by Baltas


Still, it wasn't really used beyond that (well in 2E and 3E - Pathfinder made Juiblex ("Jubilex"), and 4E (as a corrupted elemental creature).




I thought the name was Jubilex for a long time. I find it easier to say than Juiblex.
Baltas Posted - 11 May 2022 : 20:01:41
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Originally posted by AuldDragon

Yeah, given that Juiblex is a tanar'ri and the Elder Elemental God is an elemental being, it didn't make much sense to me. Plus there was nothing about that in 2e so far as I could find. :)

Jeff



Well, I think it is supposed to connect to the idea the Inner Planes preadated the Outer Planes and even the Material Plane suggested in 2E and 3E.

It's possible Juiblex was originally an elemental creature that became a demon - note: the language in Monster Mythology about Juiblex as perhaps not exactly a Tanar'ri ("Juiblex appears to be an entity related to the most powerful of the tanar'ri"; "Believed to be related to tanar'ri,"). And that was the Elder Elemental Gods servant through that.

Though it's also possible Juiblex was to be what became the Obyriths in 3E (ie Gygaxian novels proto-demons).

Still, it wasn't really used beyond that (well in 2E and 3E - Pathfinder made Juiblex ("Jubilex"), and 4E (as a corrupted elemental creature).

[EDIT]

To be clear, I know you don't find 4E or Pathfinder lore to be useful, but I thought it was interesting to mention.
AuldDragon Posted - 01 May 2022 : 22:51:48
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Originally posted by Baltas

Great write-up of Juiblex. It's nice to see an ambiguity of Zuggtmoy's and Juiblex' relationship, referencing both versions of how their interractions were described.


Yeah, since there was conflicting information, with later material making it clear they are foes and early material indicating a possible alliance, it seemed to make sense to make it unclear but also indicate that Zuggtmoy's imprisonment could have made Juiblex see an opportunity.

quote:
Originally posted by Baltas

There is no mention of Juiblex being subordinate to the Elder Elemental God, though I get it's in part due to to Juiblex' hostile relationship with Ghaunadaur - who while a separate being, is probably related to EEG.


Yeah, given that Juiblex is a tanar'ri and the Elder Elemental God is an elemental being, it didn't make much sense to me. Plus there was nothing about that in 2e so far as I could find. :)

Jeff
AuldDragon Posted - 01 May 2022 : 22:33:08
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Originally posted by ericlboyd

I found an obscure one for you. Really obscure.

http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=24389



Indeed, I saw that thread! Took me some time to find when the contest entry was published (Polyhedron #58 for anyone looking). Definitely going to get it as a late addition to the project. I meant to leave a comment, but I had some personal things come up right after that and it slipped my mind. I greatly appreciate it!

And I see I missed the PDF on the Canonfire Discord. Glad I went back to look!

Jeff
ericlboyd Posted - 01 May 2022 : 13:45:12
I found an obscure one for you. Really obscure.

http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=24389

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