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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 :  06:47:30  Show Profile Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Aside from Bane's son Xvim...are there any other noted Cambions in the Forgotten Realms?

Cambions used to be one of my favorite demons. I thought so especially when you could have an evil wizard chain a demon (of little value/power) and then through acquiring of slave-girls very quickly have many little Cambions running around! I did this with one wizard who had many Cambions in his service who were born just that way.

The only thing I never understood is if they grew to maturity very quickly or not?

I would appreciate anyone's insight on Cambion lore for the Forgotten Realms.

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Kaanyr Vhok from Hellgate Keep and the WotSQ and his horde of tanarukks.

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Kuje
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Sarya Dlardrageth was a half-elf cambion in 2e, but of course she was turned into a fey'ri in 3e. Also her son, Ryvvik Dlardrageth, was as well and he was a psionist in 2e. And along the same lines there was Xhalh Dlardrageth, a fighter, who was the son of Contess Sarya's twin brother Khuumal.

That's all I found in my npc files from 2e, besides Kaanyr Vhok. :)

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AleksanderTheGreat
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Sarya is fey'ri? I could swear that she's a half-fiend. I'll check my books. Sarya in FR Wiki for now.
EDIT: Nope, she not fey'ri. Sun elf half-fiend, dougther of a balor, as is stated on the Wiki page i linked and in Lords of Darkness book.

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Ayrik
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In addition to cambions and alu-fiends I know of draegloth (drow-glabrezu), tanarukks (orc-fiends), azerbloods (shield dwarf-outsiders, sometimes fiend spawned), and of course daemonfey (sun elf-tanar'ri; the fey'ri are essentially daemonfey tieflings). "Half-fiend" is often used to refer to the offspring of a fiend and a nonhuman (such as dragons and even celestials) or when racial parentage is unknown, half-fiends are often chimeras.

(baatezu) Magadon, tiefling-like cambion son of Mephistopheles and some human woman of no great significance.
(tanar'ri) Thraxxia, alu-fiend daughter of the demon lord Graz'zt and a (now dead) human monk.
(tanar'ri) Kaanyr Vhok, cambion son of a marilith and a human male.
(tanar'ri) Sarya Dlardrageth, daemonfey daughter of a balor and sun elf female.
(tanar'ri) Xhalph Dlardrageth, son of Sarya, sired by a glabrezu.
(tanar'ri) Rywik Dlardrageth, son of Sarya, sired by a vrock.
(blood fiend) Mari Agneh, human female, was transformed into an insane half-fiend by Tsagoth's vampirism.

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Fellfire
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 :  07:23:15  Show Profile Send Fellfire a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It depends on your definition of Cambion. Most recently, I think that is the child of a Succubus. I believe Sarya is the daughter of a Balor.

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AleksanderTheGreat
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Maybe he means half-fiends in general?

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Fellfire
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 :  07:44:38  Show Profile Send Fellfire a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I may have gotten that wrong. I remember a discussion along these lines not too long ago and somebody corrected me then.

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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 :  07:48:32  Show Profile Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Cambions are the sons of demons mating with a mortal woman. Alu-fiends are the daughters of female demons mating with men.

That is how I remember it.

Sarya is an odd duck to me because she should be male!

I know they changed the rules to create the half-fiend template (which I thought was cool!); but specifically I'm asking about Cambions:

male demons (half-demons?) who are the offspring of a union between a demon and a woman.

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Ayrik
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 :  07:59:56  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I still use the distinctions much as explained through 1E/2E:

Cambion is always male and sired by a male baatezu and a human female. The term was expanded to include male offspring from any fiend and a human (regardless of parent genders, though the usual assumption is that the fiend is male).

Alu-demon is always female and sired by a human male and a succubus (tanar'ri). This term was expanded to also include female offspring from any human-tanar'ri pairing (regardless of parent genders).

Alu-fiend is the altered term of alu-demon which can refer to any female offspring of a human and a fiend (regardless of parent genders); though it might imply non-tanar'ri when alu-demon might instead be used.

Tiefling is used when the fiendish blood is diluted (by human blood) to less than half. Mongrel fiend/human mixes are often called tieflings.

Daemonfey refers to the offspring of a sun elf and a tanar'ri (regardles of any genders); they are unrelated to daemons (yugoloths).

Fey'ri are basically daemonfey (sun elf) tieflings.

Half-fiend is a vague term used when no others are known or can apply.

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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 :  16:59:06  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Pretty sure "daemonfey" isn't actually a racial distinction, but rather the name for a group of creatures (originating from House Dlardrageth's pact with demons and led in 3e by Sarya Dlardrageth), much like "zhentarim" isn't a type of human but an organization.

Within the daemonfey, you have cambions/alu-fiends like Sarya and her brood, as well as their offspring, fey'ri, which are the product of matings between full-blooded sun elves and the more demony of the daemonfey (like Sarya, etc).

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Ayrik
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You're probably right, Erik. I'm not sure the distinction is meaningful, unless of course there are elf-spawned half-fiends who are unrelated to the daemonfey.

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Kuje
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 :  17:43:10  Show Profile Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And that's why I said they turned her into a fey'ri. :)

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Pretty sure "daemonfey" isn't actually a racial distinction, but rather the name for a group of creatures (originating from House Dlardrageth's pact with demons and led in 3e by Sarya Dlardrageth), much like "zhentarim" isn't a type of human but an organization.

Within the daemonfey, you have cambions/alu-fiends like Sarya and her brood, as well as their offspring, fey'ri, which are the product of matings between full-blooded sun elves and the more demony of the daemonfey (like Sarya, etc).

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George Krashos
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My thread in the Chamber of Sages talks about a cambion who "ruled" Impiltur for a short time.

Ed's "Secrets of the Magister" sourcebook talks about a cambion born to one of the women leading an Incipient Clan (see the Magister roster).

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Dalor Darden
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

My thread in the Chamber of Sages talks about a cambion who "ruled" Impiltur for a short time.

Ed's "Secrets of the Magister" sourcebook talks about a cambion born to one of the women leading an Incipient Clan (see the Magister roster).

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I take it the word cambion didn't come up in the thread? A Search didn't reveal it...any particular page?

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quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden

quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

My thread in the Chamber of Sages talks about a cambion who "ruled" Impiltur for a short time.

Ed's "Secrets of the Magister" sourcebook talks about a cambion born to one of the women leading an Incipient Clan (see the Magister roster).

-- George Krashos




I take it the word cambion didn't come up in the thread? A Search didn't reveal it...any particular page?

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Hehe, there's only 13 pages in the thread, all crammed with FR goodness. You should read them all and laud me to the heavens. Or you could just go to p.6 and get what you need.

Oh, and I always thought that demons mating with humans produced half-fiends. The offspring of half-fiends made cambions - but I am likely wrong about that.

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Dalor Darden
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden

quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

My thread in the Chamber of Sages talks about a cambion who "ruled" Impiltur for a short time.

Ed's "Secrets of the Magister" sourcebook talks about a cambion born to one of the women leading an Incipient Clan (see the Magister roster).

-- George Krashos




I take it the word cambion didn't come up in the thread? A Search didn't reveal it...any particular page?

I appreciate it!



Hehe, there's only 13 pages in the thread, all crammed with FR goodness. You should read them all and laud me to the heavens. Or you could just go to p.6 and get what you need.

Oh, and I always thought that demons mating with humans produced half-fiends. The offspring of half-fiends made cambions - but I am likely wrong about that.

-- George Krashos




Thanks George! I actually did read it before, but was after Telkiira lore at the time...then Mantle lore. Somehow missed the Cambion reference!

Originally, a Cambion was produced by a Demon mating with a mortal woman (any race really, as long as humanoid) and the only thing being that Lesser Demons created Common Cambions, while Demon Lords and such created "Baron" or "Marquis" Cambions.

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Posted - 05 Apr 2011 :  05:54:10  Show Profile Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Agrosh "the Scaled" is perfect for what I was looking for!

Bane has Xvim as a son...and Eltab has Agrosh.

Now I have a new baddie for my game!

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THE most famous Cambion in D&D history is Iuz the Old, also called 'the evil', and lord of the Realm of Iuz in the Greyhawk Campaign Setting. His father is Graz'zt, the demon lord, by Iggwilv, the witch-Queen of Perrenland.

He is now a demi-god (does that mean he has surpassed 'daddy'?), which appears to have happened through forced worship by his subjects (which proves you CAN force your own ascension on the cosmos).

He is also enemies of Vecna, who has a thin association with FR through Ravenloft (and the Realmsfolk who wound-up there).

I used to think Cambions were half-devils and Alufiends half-demons, but nowadays it actually makes more sense the other way around (not that either of those is correct).

Shouldn't that make all Draegloths Cambions?

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Originally Alu-Fiends and Cambions were BOTH Demons.

Iuz was one of my favorite baddies in Greyhawk...and one of the reasons I was looking for a major Cambion in the Forgotten Realms that wasn't Xvim. I need a badguy Cambion to place in all the modules to replace Iuz!

The Temple of Elemental Evil will now have Agrosh "the Scaled" in place of Iuz!

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Merlin is also a cambion in most accounts, sired by a "demon" with human mother ... he has dragon (or perhaps demon-dragon) blood in other accounts.

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quote:
Originally posted by Arik

Merlin is also a cambion in most accounts, sired by a "demon" with human mother ... he has dragon (or perhaps demon-dragon) blood in other accounts.



The original printing of Merlin was that his Father was an Incubus (Succubus polymorphed into a male! ). Fella was pretty bad:

175 Hit Points, Druid 14, Illusionist 10, Wizard 15 and 300 Psionic Strength! Not to mention regeneration, all 18's in his stats (except Str 13 and Int 19) and such...bad mofo.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden

quote:
Originally posted by Arik

Merlin is also a cambion in most accounts, sired by a "demon" with human mother ... he has dragon (or perhaps demon-dragon) blood in other accounts.



The original printing of Merlin was that his Father was an Incubus (Succubus polymorphed into a male! ). Fella was pretty bad:

175 Hit Points, Druid 14, Illusionist 10, Wizard 15 and 300 Psionic Strength! Not to mention regeneration, all 18's in his stats (except Str 13 and Int 19) and such...bad mofo.



Where was this "original printing" (i.e. what sourcebook is it in?)

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quote:
Originally posted by Zireael

quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden

quote:
Originally posted by Arik

Merlin is also a cambion in most accounts, sired by a "demon" with human mother ... he has dragon (or perhaps demon-dragon) blood in other accounts.



The original printing of Merlin was that his Father was an Incubus (Succubus polymorphed into a male! ). Fella was pretty bad:

175 Hit Points, Druid 14, Illusionist 10, Wizard 15 and 300 Psionic Strength! Not to mention regeneration, all 18's in his stats (except Str 13 and Int 19) and such...bad mofo.



Where was this "original printing" (i.e. what sourcebook is it in?)



Deities and Demigods, 1980 TSR, page 20.

The whole Arthurian Mythos is outlined starting a couple pages before that.

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