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Verghityax
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 01 Oct 2007 : 17:58:13
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Dear fellow scribes,
I'm searching for info on the Wyvernspur family. I've already got Giogi's description from 'Heroes Lorebook', I have 'The Wyvern's Spur' novel and all the Cormyr accesories from 2nd edition. The problem in that I couldn't find any up-to-date info. I would love to draw an up-to-date Wyvernspur family tree but I'm not sure which members of the family are still alive and which are deceased. I will be grateful for any help, even if it contains spoilers 
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 01 Oct 2007 : 18:02:14
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| The family was revisited in some of the interludes in the novel Tymora's Luck. I don't think you'll find much on them anywhere else; Kate Novak and Jeff Grubb were the only authors to mess with them. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 01 Oct 2007 : 18:12:19
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Ed did a piece after the death of Azoun that has as small paragraph about the Wyvernspurs. It was in Dragon.... maybe one of the annuals? I believe it's annual #5, which was for 3e.
Ed also wrote about one of their ancestors in issue 280, which is also 3e. |
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Edited by - Kuje on 01 Oct 2007 18:14:03 |
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2007 : 22:27:34
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I've already gone through all the necessary work compiling and adjusting the family tree for the Wyvernspur family (including a needed shift to account for a Dalereckoning/Cormyr Reckoning error). I'll see if I can dig it out and post or link it once I get home from work.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 00:42:42
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Originally posted by Kuje
Ed did a piece after the death of Azoun that has as small paragraph about the Wyvernspurs. It was in Dragon.... maybe one of the annuals? I believe it's annual #5, which was for 3e.
'Twas the 2000 Annual, as I recall.
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Ed also wrote about one of their ancestors in issue 280, which is also 3e.
Aye. The New Adventures of Volo: Lost Treastures of Cormyr 3 in DRAGON #280 gives a brief profile of one of the early Wyvernspurs (Aiken Wyvernspur 1008 DR - 1082 DR).
Additionally, see Alias's entry... as well as Dragonbait's and Olive's in the Heroes' Lorebook. See also Flattery's entry in the Villains' Lorebook as well.
Cat also has an unofficial 3e write-up in the Realms Bestiary, Vol. 1 by Eric L. Boyd and Thomas M. Costa.
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Verghityax
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 11:57:19
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Originally posted by Garen Thal
I've already gone through all the necessary work compiling and adjusting the family tree for the Wyvernspur family (including a needed shift to account for a Dalereckoning/Cormyr Reckoning error). I'll see if I can dig it out and post or link it once I get home from work.
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That would be really great :) Thanks in advance :) |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 06 Oct 2007 : 05:54:41
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There was a little bit of the Wyvernspurs in the Cormyr novel Beyond the High Road. |
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2007 : 06:50:33
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Finally found and uploaded the bugger! You can view the family tree here.
And yes, those are ALL the Wyvernspurs. |
Edited by - Garen Thal on 06 Oct 2007 07:12:07 |
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2007 : 06:53:09
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| I almost forgot: the names highlighted in yellow are the Lords Wyvernspur--those personages who formally held the title of the family. Those underlined in green are the members of each generation stated in fiction to have actually wielded the Wyvern's Spur. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2007 : 06:55:42
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| Angelfire isn't letting me see the jpeg. :( |
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2007 : 07:04:39
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Hmm. It's loading for me, but that might just be because it's my account and I have 6 copies of the thing on my hard drive.
Is it giving you an error, or just being ornery? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2007 : 07:07:45
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Originally posted by Garen Thal
or just being ornery?
Seems to be mostly that one and it gives me this:
http://www.angelfire.lycos.com/doc/images/rloadblock.jpg |
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2007 : 07:08:43
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| Ahh. I think that's the "no direct linking to pictures" thingy. Let me fix things. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Oct 2007 : 07:09:40
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Originally posted by Garen Thal
Ahh. I think that's the "no direct linking to pictures" thingy. Let me fix things.
That's what I figured it was. :) |
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2007 : 07:16:18
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| groovy! |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2007 : 07:26:16
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Garen Thal
The link's all fixed, now. If you'd rather not scroll up, just click
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/garen/images/wyvernspur.html
Impressive! Most impressive.  Excellent work Garen.
Any chance we can store this at Candlekeep as well?
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
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Verghityax
Learned Scribe
131 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2007 : 11:03:30
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May Oghma bless you, Garen  You were really helpful |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2007 : 16:38:33
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The family line is derived primarily from the one provided in The Wyvern's Spur, reformatted to accomodate my preference for tracing the decent of the family's title and important people (which is why all the Lords Wyvernspur are on the left, almost until the end; technically, Lady Eswip and Lord Bender would have been co-holders, "William and Mary" style). I also added in Gaylyn's parents, Dimswart and Leona, because this is stated outright in Realmslore and it's a relationship that I think is worth noting.
The only real change is the alteration from CR to DR. The initial family tree was written entirely in CR. Normally, this doesn't pose any problems, but certain events didn't match up; Lord Gerrin's appearance as a grown man, able commander and capable warrior in Cormyr: A Novel (in 1018DR) would have occured when he was 13 years old. His younger brother, Finder, would not have been born until at least 1006DR, and therefore only 16 (at the oldest) when he and his band were recruited by the Harpers in the Year of the Wandering Wyvern.
At that point, some sort of adjustment needed to be made. Gerrin and Finder were very clearly DR dates, but the last dates in the list, at least, had to have been in CR (particularly since Amber Leona is a newborn, born in 1333CR/1358DR).
[What follows is a long-winded description of how I chose Lord Gould II as the lucky Wyvernspur to be 25 years younger, and little else. Possibly insightful to those who are interested in my inner workings, but otherwise rather droll...]
The generations toward the end were too closely packed to move anyone around; there needed to be a Wvyernspur who had lived long enough that a) they could have had a child 25 years later than originally conceived by the listing, and b) a 25-year shift would push someone off the usable timeline.
I began adjusting from the bottom, with characters "pulling" their parents with them into the changed dating. The first criteria was that living characters automatically got their numbers increased by 25 and "locked": everyone from Grever and Dorath down was shifted.
This left me with a range from Gould II to Lady Eswip and Lord Bender. Looking more closely at the dates, things were still too tight at the bottom; for the same reasoning (pushing people off the list) I couldn't shift Eswip, or Gould III. Moving up the line, it occurred to me that, with such a small family, these folks would have died out if not for the relative stability between parents and children; as nobles, someone needs to be around to arrange meetings and marriages, and to maintain the family estates while the heir grows up. I then disqualified any shift that would mean a parent would have died before a child's sixteenth birthday.
Working from these criteria--a parent needs to be old enough to see the birth of their child, and still alive when the child hits sixteen--made it pretty simple. Lord Moss and Lord Khron had to stay where they were in relation to later generations; they got the +25, too. Lord Shardra just missed the cut (Krohn would have been 15 when Shardra died), so +25. Piper got the +25 for similar reasons, and Rankin was "pulled" by Piper.
Rankin's shift meant that Gould II had to come down, too; if Rankin was born in 1095 DR, then his brother York would have been born too far after the death of Gould II to really be Gould's child. +25 for all involved.
Which really left only one question: do I shift the Sarah/Aiken/Linesse generation, or not. The answer actually came from the Royal Lineage and the date when Linesse married Azoun II; had the dates for his generation been moved up 25 years, Linesse would have been a toddler, and less than 10 years old at the birth of her first child.
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
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Posted - 06 Oct 2007 : 18:44:56
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| Simply amazing Brian! |
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2007 : 20:15:16
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
Simply amazing Brian!
Nonsense! All I did was incorporate existing sources into a provided timeline and make a minor adjustment to account for the conflict. It's not as though I did something like that for, you know, everything ever written for the Realms... |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 09 Oct 2007 : 04:23:04
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| Thanks for posting it, Garen. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Oct 2007 : 04:27:19
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| Thanks for the amazing nonsense! Shall I buy realmslore.org or .net or .info and host it there? |
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