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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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 Posted - 03 Oct 2007 : 17:21:05
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Brynweir
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
He's humorous, dangerous, powerful, has an interesting fashion sense...he's evil but for some reason that makes him strangely and unspeakably attractive, if not compatible.
So, a wide brimmed hat with a a big feather and a vest with no shirt on under it might work for some guys? 
Somehow I don't think that I could pull off that look myself.
I'm too sexy for my shirt...too sexy for my shirt...
Seriously, what is up with Elminster getting all the hot women? Every novel I read he's cuddled up to someone new. Isn't he like 500 years old? Power isn't everything (and I just get weirded out when old men giggle).
Don't forget that since El "was" a woman for a time....He Really understands them!! 
Elmara served a specific purpose. It was supposedly intended by Mystra that "Elmara", as a priestess of the Lady of Mysteries, would ultimately widen Elminster's view of the world. And, more importantly, the change allowed Elminster to travel without drawing attention from his enemies at the time.
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 03 Oct 2007 : 20:37:20
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Originally posted by aravine
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Don't forget that since El "was" a woman for a time....He Really understands them!!
Bah! Even in a fantasy world with magical sex changes, the concept of men understanding women is still too far out there to be believable. 
Word.
I understand them well enough to know always to please them! |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 03 Oct 2007 : 20:39:59
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Brynweir
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
He's humorous, dangerous, powerful, has an interesting fashion sense...he's evil but for some reason that makes him strangely and unspeakably attractive, if not compatible.
So, a wide brimmed hat with a a big feather and a vest with no shirt on under it might work for some guys?
Somehow I don't think that I could pull off that look myself.
I'm too sexy for my shirt...too sexy for my shirt...
Seriously, what is up with Elminster getting all the hot women? Every novel I read he's cuddled up to someone new. Isn't he like 500 years old? Power isn't everything (and I just get weirded out when old men giggle).
Don't forget that since El "was" a woman for a time....He Really understands them!!
Elmara served a specific purpose. It was supposedly intended by Mystra that "Elmara", as a priestess of the Lady of Mysteries, would ultimately widen Elminster's view of the world. And, more importantly, the change allowed Elminster to travel without drawing attention from his enemies at the time.
*** prepares to sprint in the opposite direction and hide after lobbing this grenade**
Hey there Sage old friend....Sounds alot like your saying that women pose no threat! |
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Brynweir
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 03 Oct 2007 : 23:54:53
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I think he just meant that Elminster was widely known and easily recognized while Elmara was not, because we all know how dangerous women can be...
As for understanding women -yeah right -we don't even understand ourselves. |
Anyone who likes to read something that's really dark and gritty and completely awesome ought to read The Night Angel Trilogy by Brent Weeks. You can check out a little taste at www.BrentWeeks.com I should probably warn you, though, that it is definitely not PG-13 :-D
He also started a new Trilogy with Black Prism, which may even surpass the Night Angel Trilogy in its awesomeness.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31797 Posts |
Posted - 04 Oct 2007 : 01:52:58
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Hey there Sage old friend....Sounds alot like your saying that women pose no threat!
Heh. I've got patented Lady K "love-bruises" that suggest otherwise.  
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 04 Oct 2007 : 02:21:41
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AAAAAAACK! Did you say that just to tick me off?
I hated, hated, hated Phyrea. With a passion. I hate her more than...pretty much every other character that's ever existed.
No, my friend, In no way! Itīs only... well... one of my choices.
I know.
As for Phyrea...well, I've discussed my feelings about her elsewhere, but I WILL say that I longed to step into the pages of the book and kill her myself.
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 04 Oct 2007 : 02:31:46
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Originally posted by Brynweir
I think he just meant that Elminster was widely known and easily recognized while Elmara was not, because we all know how dangerous women can be...
As for understanding women -yeah right -we don't even understand ourselves.
Just giving my good friend sage a hard time Bryn
and I understand women enough to not pi** them off!
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Hey there Sage old friend....Sounds alot like your saying that women pose no threat!
Heh. I've got patented Lady K "love-bruises" that suggest otherwise.
Ahhh yes...............love-bruises....been there done that |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 04 Oct 2007 : 02:33:00
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
AAAAAAACK! Did you say that just to tick me off?
I hated, hated, hated Phyrea. With a passion. I hate her more than...pretty much every other character that's ever existed.
No, my friend, In no way! Itīs only... well... one of my choices.
I know.
As for Phyrea...well, I've discussed my feelings about her elsewhere, but I WILL say that I longed to step into the pages of the book and kill her myself.
Does that make me evil?
No, but it makes me feelbetter because I felt the same way. |
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Charles Phipps
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 06 Nov 2007 : 07:53:16
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I hated, hated, hated Phyrea. With a passion. I hate her more than...pretty much every other character that's ever existed.
So, this is who you hate. I havent' read it, what did you dislike? Could you give me the link to such vitrol?
And all I can say is....
*Cough*
Imoen, Kyriani, Caladnei, and Alusair.
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2007 : 16:26:19
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Originally posted by Charles Phipps
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I hated, hated, hated Phyrea. With a passion. I hate her more than...pretty much every other character that's ever existed.
So, this is who you hate. I havent' read it, what did you dislike? Could you give me the link to such vitrol?
And all I can say is....
*Cough*
Imoen, Kyriani, Caladnei, and Alusair.
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I think what she hated echoed my thoughts on Phyrea.
She was a Vapid, selfish, shallow...nay, hollow shell of a character.
No redeeming qualities. Whatsoever. Her lack of substance stains all three books in the watercourse trilogy.
Did I miss anything Rinonalyrna? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Nov 2007 : 18:10:52
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
I think what she hated echoed my thoughts on Phyrea.
She was a Vapid, selfish, shallow...nay, hollow shell of a character.
No redeeming qualities. Whatsoever. Her lack of substance stains all three books in the watercourse trilogy.
Did I miss anything Rinonalyrna?
Pretty much the same reaction I had to her... Then again, I really just hated that trilogy. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Nov 2007 : 18:35:51
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Pretty much the same reaction I had to her... Then again, I really just hated that trilogy.
I have not read the trilogy, largely because who the author is. All you guys have done is make me want to read it less. Thank you! |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 07 Nov 2007 : 01:56:44
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
I think what she hated echoed my thoughts on Phyrea.
She was a Vapid, selfish, shallow...nay, hollow shell of a character.
No redeeming qualities. Whatsoever. Her lack of substance stains all three books in the watercourse trilogy.
Did I miss anything Rinonalyrna?
You missed the fact that she's a stupid thief-by-night character as well--a low-rent version of Thazienne Uskevren. |
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Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 07 Nov 2007 01:57:24 |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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7106 Posts |
Posted - 07 Nov 2007 : 01:57:51
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
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Originally posted by Kuje
Pretty much the same reaction I had to her... Then again, I really just hated that trilogy.
I have not read the trilogy, largely because who the author is. All you guys have done is make me want to read it less. Thank you!
You're very welcome. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 07 Nov 2007 : 02:14:17
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
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Originally posted by Kuje
Pretty much the same reaction I had to her... Then again, I really just hated that trilogy.
I have not read the trilogy, largely because who the author is. All you guys have done is make me want to read it less. Thank you!
You're very welcome.
I still intend to read the trilogy, sooner or later... Not only do I prefer to make my own judgements, but I've seen how some books/trilogies can be loved by some and hated by others. The War of the Spider Queen, the Return of the Archwizards, and certain Harpers novels all come to mind, in this case. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 07 Nov 2007 : 02:16:54
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I still intend to read the trilogy, sooner or later... Not only do I prefer to make my own judgements, but I've seen how some books/trilogies can be loved by some and hated by others. The War of the Spider Queen, the Return of the Archwizards, and certain Harpers novels all come to mind, in this case.
Of course you should read the books you really want to read. I don't actually set out to persuade people to do otherwise.
But I really, really hated Phyrea. More than pretty much any other character, ever (seriously). |
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 07 Nov 2007 : 03:05:32
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Of course you should read the books you really want to read. I don't actually set out to persuade people to do otherwise.
But I really, really hated Phyrea. More than pretty much any other character, ever (seriously).
I agree with pretty much everything you hated about Phyrea and the series in general. That being said, I ended up not hating the series on the whole. There were parts that I really liked and I think I said it before, there were many interesting tidbits of lore to build on. |
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 07 Nov 2007 : 03:11:38
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| Back to the "Who's hot" subject, I found it interesting that other than saying she was the most beautiful woman in the Realms, there was no indication of any kind of inner beauty about Phyrea. A hollow shell was a good analogy, we were told she was a pretty shell, but that's about it, there was nothing to back it up. I thought the intent was to create a damaged character that we would care about and want to see saved, but I just wanted to be rid of her. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 07 Nov 2007 : 15:27:47
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Originally posted by Xysma
Back to the "Who's hot" subject, I found it interesting that other than saying she was the most beautiful woman in the Realms, there was no indication of any kind of inner beauty about Phyrea. A hollow shell was a good analogy, we were told she was a pretty shell, but that's about it, there was nothing to back it up. I thought the intent was to create a damaged character that we would care about and want to see saved, but I just wanted to be rid of her.
It's hard to take seriously any character who described as "the most beautiful woman in the Realms".
And yes, this character had no redeeming qualities whatsoever. I hated how the author seemed to want me to feel sorry for a character who was completely undeserving of my sympathy. NOT HOT! |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 07 Nov 2007 : 16:43:32
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Vierna Do'Urden - wow. Especially the way the comics made her out to be.; Traeya (sp) - the Fey'ri Spy; Innovidil - Drizzt's better choice of a companion. Sorry to come late to the table, but... having recently reacquainted myself with FR, thought I'd add my opinion.
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
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Charles Phipps
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 10 Nov 2007 : 02:23:52
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I confess, I'm kinda creeped out about the Halfling's Gem comic adaptations drawings of Cattie-Brie.
It's like looking at a friend's kid sister in a whole different way. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 10 Nov 2007 : 02:28:02
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Originally posted by Charles Phipps
I confess, I'm kinda creeped out about the Halfling's Gem comic adaptations drawings of Cattie-Brie.
It's like looking at a friend's kid sister in a whole different way.
Just out of curiosity, what creeped you out? |
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Charles Phipps
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 10 Nov 2007 : 02:51:18
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Well, realize, I was like ten years old when I first read the Crystal Shard. I'm twenty seven now, so Cattie Brie is like sort of a beloved childhood icon now.
I'd probably feel the same way about sexualizing Laurana from Dragonlance.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Nov 2007 : 03:05:00
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| Ah, I see. Heh. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 10 Nov 2007 : 04:14:17
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I don't know why I didn't think of her sooner, but Asper is really sexy.
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 10 Nov 2007 : 08:07:32
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Originally posted by Charles Phipps
I'd probably feel the same way about sexualizing Laurana from Dragonlance.
As if Elmore and the others haven't already done that? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Jorkens
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Nov 2007 : 15:45:20
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Jorkens
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Originally posted by Charles Phipps
I'd probably feel the same way about sexualizing Laurana from Dragonlance.
As if Elmore and the others haven't already done that?
Elmore, not so much. I don't recall any of his artwork that showed her in anything revealing. The piece with her in the Temple of Takhisis, with her dress shredded to just a loincloth and her leg armor mysteriously gone, was a Caldwell piece (though it lacks the round red gemstone).
In a moment of stupidity I actually managed to mix Laurana and Goldmoon. And yes, Caldwell would be a better example than Elmore. Oh I miss the old art. |
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