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Neriandal Freit
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 Posted - 18 Aug 2007 : 03:40:39
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While venturing back in the Realms I knew, I come across Sarade Gedreghost and Aldym the White. If you don't know where they are, you won't know much to this topic, but if you do, you know they are located in Champions of Valor.
Would anyone have any more information on the two of these people? Both sound quiet interesting, and I'm certainly interested in Aldym the White due to his assocation with Necromancy, the fact that WotC mentions White Necromancy and that he follows Velsharoon, who I thought was a Evil deity and thus only Evil/Neutral followers.
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Aug 2007 : 17:21:19
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| Think that is the only book they show up in. :) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 00:17:58
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And both Powers & Pantheons and Faiths & Pantheons suggest LN worshipper alignments for the faithful of Velsharoon. So the clergy of the Vaunted aren't specifically limited to a mix of just 'chaotic,' 'evil' or 'neutral' alignments.
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Neriandal Freit
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 06:20:00
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Ok, but White Necromancy is associated with the alignment of good, yes?
So that would make him (?)G NPC, thus out of line to Velsharoon correct? |
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Valaxaxath
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Posted - 20 Aug 2007 : 17:37:03
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| Not unless he's following a heresy of Velsharoon centering on white necromancy! |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Aug 2007 : 17:44:33
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Originally posted by Neriandal Freit
Ok, but White Necromancy is associated with the alignment of good, yes?
So that would make him (?)G NPC, thus out of line to Velsharoon correct?
I dunno, to me magic is magic. Necromancy uses the elemental plane of negative energy, mostly, and the elemental planes are unaligned or they are True Neutral, mostly. Magic just is, it doesn't have alignments and only the people that use magic have alignments. I know, Mystra has a alignment but she doesn't restrict access to the Weave based on her alignment. |
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Neriandal Freit
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 : 03:01:37
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| I know Kuje, but he is following a deity that acess the Negativity Necromancy, not the "Postive" White Necromancy. So that's just seems off.. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 : 03:49:41
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Originally posted by Neriandal Freit
I know Kuje, but he is following a deity that acess the Negativity Necromancy, not the "Postive" White Necromancy. So that's just seems off..
No, in D&D there isn't any alignment, except for what mortals decide, on magic. The negative energy plane is not aligned and neither is necromancy. It just exists without alignments. Any school of magic has it's "evil" and "good" sides. |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 : 03:56:55
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Some 3.x spells have [Evil] descriptors, meaning that casting them is Evil.
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Neriandal Freit
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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 : 03:58:33
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i know. but what i'm trying to say is that it appears off to me that he is following a god who venerates the negative necromancy side rather then neutral necromancy, or the postive necromancy side.
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 : 04:20:16
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Originally posted by Neriandal Freit
i know. but what i'm trying to say is that it appears off to me that he is following a god who venerates the negative necromancy side rather then neutral necromancy, or the postive necromancy side.
Sigh. :)
Also, sorry I forgot about the evil/good tags since I'm still thinking 2e material. :)
However, there is no good or evil side to magic except for those tags, if they spells have the tags otherwise the spells just exist and it's mortals that say they are "evil" or "good." But in general the schools of magic, which includes necromancy, are not "good" or "evil."
I dunno what you are trying to say but to me it doesn't make any sense. Magic just is....
Velsharoon might be evil but is the deity of all necromancy be it "good" or "evil."
It's no different then say, Talos. He is evil but his storms are two sided. Some might believe that a hurricane is evil but it isn't, it just exists even though he is a evil deity.
Same with any of the other evil deities. You know, this discussion makes me wish the deities didn't have alignments. :) |
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 : 20:32:09
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Originally posted by Kuje
Same with any of the other evil deities. You know, this discussion makes me wish the deities didn't have alignments. :)
Heh, I would even take that one step further, I wouldn't mind doing away with alignments in D&D altogether... or is that a spoiler for 5e |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 : 21:11:19
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Originally posted by Mumadar Ibn Huzal
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Originally posted by Kuje
Same with any of the other evil deities. You know, this discussion makes me wish the deities didn't have alignments. :)
Heh, I would even take that one step further, I wouldn't mind doing away with alignments in D&D altogether... or is that a spoiler for 5e
They should have ditched alignments in 4E, but at least they have removed their [stupid] in-game effects. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 : 21:47:26
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| I wish I could understand why people hate alignments... It's a broad overview, nothing more... |
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Skeptic
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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 : 22:01:50
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I wish I could understand why people hate alignments... It's a broad overview, nothing more...
Ok I assume you only like the "broad overview", not the direct in-game effects of 3.x.
I don't hate it, but I can't see how it is much useful. IME, more than often it's badly used anyway.
I assume that the 3.x designers tought "hmm alignments are not really useful, so if we want to keep them, let's add them some in-game effects". That was wrong, ditching them was a better solution IMHO.
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 : 22:50:49
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I wish I could understand why people hate alignments... It's a broad overview, nothing more...
I don't hate alignments but to me deities are "beyond" alignments. They have powers, abilities, etc, that mortals can't fathom and so my opinion is that divine beings should be beyond alignments. :) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 00:56:14
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I'm inclined to agree. Assigning alignments to deities is just another way of defining their very natures -- which should always remain undefined, for the most part.
Take Tempus for example. The Lord of Battles is one of those gods which doesn't fit neatly into the alignment scheme. If you read his dogma in Faiths & Avatars, it isn't strongly lawful or chaotic. His overall nature, seen in alignment terms, just happens to tip just into the CN ninth of the graph. Thus, he has followers (and according to F&A, which I trust over Faiths and Pantheons, clerics) of most alignments.
So basically, try not to take the gods' listed alignments too seriously.
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