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Originally posted by Victor_ograygor

The Duskblade (from Players' Handbook 2) is realy one of the most overpowered class. I am a Gm I a old FR gaming group and players sometimes have a tendency to play overpowered characters (Power play). One of my players made a dusk blad with the help of the The Duskblade thread on wotc message board, and its just so overpowered.

Spring attack and you are just chopping all down its relay one of the most overpowered classes.

Yes they have a limited spell list, but take some levels in cleric and channel your divine spells out through your sword

Vic

.. ups one more thing get a spell storing weapon and you can use that to to chanel spells..

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Action Types

An action’s type essentially tells you how long the action takes to perform (within the framework of the 6-second combat round) and how movement is treated. There are six types of actions: standard actions, move actions, full-round actions, free actions, swift actions, and immediate actions.

In a normal round, you can perform a standard action and a move action, or you can perform a full-round action. You can also perform one or more free actions. You can always take a move action in place of a standard action.

In some situations (such as in a surprise round), you may be limited to taking only a single move action or standard action.
Standard Action

A standard action allows you to do something, most commonly make an attack or cast a spell. See Table: Standard Actions for other standard actions.
Move Action

A move action allows you to move your speed or perform an action that takes a similar amount of time. See Table: Move Actions.

You can take a move action in place of a standard action. If you move no actual distance in a round (commonly because you have swapped your move for one or more equivalent actions), you can take one 5-foot step either before, during, or after the action.

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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight

Leave the spell lists as is, and save you some trouble. The "Realms" spells of old don't have the same name anymore, most don't even do what they originally were written to do, and everything's in the Spell Compendium now...

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Originally posted by Kentinal

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Action Types

An action’s type essentially tells you how long the action takes to perform (within the framework of the 6-second combat round) and how movement is treated. There are six types of actions: standard actions, move actions, full-round actions, free actions, swift actions, and immediate actions.

In a normal round, you can perform a standard action and a move action, or you can perform a full-round action. You can also perform one or more free actions. You can always take a move action in place of a standard action.

In some situations (such as in a surprise round), you may be limited to taking only a single move action or standard action.
Standard Action

A standard action allows you to do something, most commonly make an attack or cast a spell. See Table: Standard Actions for other standard actions.
Move Action

A move action allows you to move your speed or perform an action that takes a similar amount of time. See Table: Move Actions.

You can take a move action in place of a standard action. If you move no actual distance in a round (commonly because you have swapped your move for one or more equivalent actions), you can take one 5-foot step either before, during, or after the action.

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Strikes me that one can move, then chanel based on the above text, but i an not the Sage (or other official rules giver).

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Originally posted by EytanBernstein

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Originally posted by Victor_ograygor

The Duskblade (from Players' Handbook 2) is realy one of the most overpowered class. I am a Gm I a old FR gaming group and players sometimes have a tendency to play overpowered characters (Power play). One of my players made a dusk blad with the help of the The Duskblade thread on wotc message board, and its just so overpowered.

Spring attack and you are just chopping all down its relay one of the most overpowered classes.

Yes they have a limited spell list, but take some levels in cleric and channel your divine spells out through your sword

Vic

.. ups one more thing get a spell storing weapon and you can use that to to chanel spells..

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As far as I can tell, you cannot use arcane channeling and Spring Attack in the same action. Spring Attack is an attack action and arcane channeling requires a standard action, thus they are incompatible.

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Originally posted by EytanBernstein

This is an issue where A is part of B, but B is not part of A. An attack action is one kind of standard action, but a standard action is not an attack action.

Attack action (according to Skip William's Rules of the Game article on the WotC site):

"Use this action to make a single melee or ranged attack. (Some feats, such as Manyshot , allow you to make more than one attack with a standard action.) If your base attack bonus allows you to make multiple attacks during your turn, or if you wield two weapons, you need to use the full-attack action (a full-round action) to make the multiple attacks."

This means that spring attack can only be used to make a single melee attack (or multiple melee attacks if you take the feats from PHB2). It doesn't allow you to make a ranged attack, an arcane channel (which is a standard action, not an attack action), or any other sort of action.

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Originally posted by Victor_ograygor

Quoting arguments we discussed no names.. understod

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Originally posted by Bladedancer

I believe Duskblades can only channel the spells on their spell list so that should help mitigate their power some. If that isn't the case I sure as hell houserule that it is so if I was dming.
Also I am playing a low level beguiler/swashbuckler in a campaign using mu bluff skill to make it look like I am using an assortment of wands to make it look like I am just a rogue (everyone has a secret it seems in this campaign). So in other words I am having a blast with this character.
Just my 2 coppers.

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