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Firestorm
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 Posted - 17 Jul 2007 : 18:42:03
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2 guys are arguing on another forum about this little detail, and im confused as to whether Elminster can really use spellfire or not?
One guy claims its a typo in several books meant only to be silverfire, etc
I thoguht Elminster actually could use it
They are debating who would win between Larloch and Elminster and listing off abilities, etc
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Jul 2007 : 18:54:25
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June 16, 2006
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Ed replies:
Elminster figured out how to manipulate the Weave to call forth spellfire. Any of the Chosen who became sufficiently attuned to the Weave (by using it for centuries), and took the time to experiment and study, could theoretically duplicate what Elminster did, and end up with spellfire too.
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
France
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Drew
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 17 Jul 2007 : 22:02:38
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| Just absorb a balhiir and you can have spellfire too! |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Jul 2007 : 22:42:39
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| It's been used by him in one of the short stories in the Realms of anthologies. Forgot which one. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 18 Jul 2007 : 01:27:40
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Also, from Ed's Shandril of Spellfire, And Why I Decided Not To Destroy Her article -
"So hearken, and learn of spellfire and the lass who most recently bore it. Learn not as we of the Chosen command it, which is as something bound up in Mystra's silver fire and feared even by us for its potential for undoing and going wild and wreaking havoc, but as wild and willful as anything a proud youngling can hurl at the world to make that world take notice and grant respect."
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 18 Jul 2007 : 12:27:43
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"Crown of Fire" confirms that Elminster can use it by the grace of Mystra, but using it "taxes him overmuch".
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
France
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Jul 2007 : 22:19:09
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Originally posted by Fillow
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Originally posted by Kuje
It's been used by him in one of the short stories in the Realms of anthologies. Forgot which one.
Is it not "Realms of Elves " ?
Nah, it was one of the older Realms of anthologies. |
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
France
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Posted - 06 Aug 2007 : 17:22:14
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I found part of the answer to this common question. It comes from All things Magical sourcebook (TSR 9535), p. 87 :
"Elminster and the other Chosen of Mystra wield a similar silver fire, and at least Elminster and Khelben can also use spellfire itself, but these are abilities Mystra gave to them, not things they requested.)." |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
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Posted - 07 Aug 2007 : 09:13:11
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Originally posted by Fillow
I found part of the answer to this common question. It comes from All things Magical sourcebook (TSR 9535), p. 87 :
AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH - Mystra save us! The banned book was quoted! Put him to the stick! Burn him and cast his ashes in all four winds! 
Edit note: I appologies for not adding anything of substance to the discussion! But I think the topic has been answered sufficiantly and I would not be able to bring in any new details that matter. |
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
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Posted - 07 Aug 2007 : 09:42:20
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Well, I believe you qouted from Volos guide to all things magical?!? Am I right so far? If so, you have to know the back ground story to that book to understand what I ment - which was ment as a joke, of course.
Read this, copied from a reply from the Marco.... Volo? thread here at Candlekeep. The important part is in bold:
THO revealed this little tidbit about the current activities of Volo:-
"As for Volo: I once heard Volo called the “Geraldo Rivera of the Realms,” but I think that’s a trifle unfair to the real Mr. Rivera. Volo is a young, amoral rogue itching with the need to learn secrets and trumpet them to the world. A minor mage and major rogue, he wanders Faerun penning acidic travel guides (the Volo’s Guides, which are available as downloads and are ESSENTIAL to making a Realms campaign seem colourful and ‘real’). There’s even a Volo’s Guide to Baldur’s Gate II, which was meant to go with the computer game. Volo went so far as to write a book entitled Volo’s Guide To All Things Magical, and was threatened (by various wizards) with dire consequences if it was ever published.
Inevitably, it was, and as a result Volo (for his own protection, the Old Mage insists) spent some time as an ornamental frog sculpture in Elminster’s pond. He’s free again now, and I fear we’ve all not heard the last from Volo. :}"
Got my meaning?! (always bad to have to explain a joke, though  )
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The Simbul
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 07 Aug 2007 : 09:42:38
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Yet another example can be found in the "story of spellfire" sidebar on page 52 of the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting, which states that in addition to silver fire, some among Mystra's Chosen can wield true spellfire.
This particular notation, along with the myriad of previous game edition and novel citations, is of special noteworthiness in that it comes from a 3E rules sourcebook, and therefore can be used to bludgeon all the nay-sayers and rules edition fascists who somehow manage to conjure and propagate the notion that something is only "true" in the realms if it can be found in a 3rd edition sourcebook, whereas everything else is considered "obsolete". (Indeed, several trolls on the WoTC boards employ this tactic nauseatingly often in the myriad of "how best to kill Elminster?" type threads) |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 07 Aug 2007 : 16:54:28
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Originally posted by Fillow
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Originally posted by Ergdusch
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Originally posted by Fillow
I found part of the answer to this common question. It comes from All things Magical sourcebook (TSR 9535), p. 87 :
AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH - Mystra save us! The banned book was quoted! Put him to the stick! Burn him and cast his ashes in all four winds!
Did I miss something ?
What do you want to say ?
I'm surprised Wooly didn't jump at the chance to remind everyone of the former status of this particular "Volo's Guide."
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 07 Aug 2007 : 18:31:21
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
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Originally posted by Fillow
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Originally posted by Ergdusch
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Originally posted by Fillow
I found part of the answer to this common question. It comes from All things Magical sourcebook (TSR 9535), p. 87 :
AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH - Mystra save us! The banned book was quoted! Put him to the stick! Burn him and cast his ashes in all four winds!
Did I miss something ?
What do you want to say ?
I'm surprised Wooly didn't jump at the chance to remind everyone of the former status of this particular "Volo's Guide."
I think everyone else covered the fact that Volo's Guide to All Things Magical is formerly a suppressed work. |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 08 Aug 2007 : 01:39:54
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Originally posted by Firestorm
2 guys are arguing on another forum about this little detail, and im confused as to whether Elminster can really use spellfire or not?
One guy claims its a typo in several books meant only to be silverfire, etc
I thoguht Elminster actually could use it They are debating who would win between Larloch and Elminster and listing off abilities, etc
simple answer yep. answer to second question, depends on the dice rolls  |
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