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Randal_Dundragon
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 Posted - 08 Jul 2007 : 10:54:45
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Are the events in BG 1 and 2 considered cannon, and was there ever a Bhaal spawn template or somesuch published for use for DnD 2nd ed or 3.X?
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
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Posted - 08 Jul 2007 : 11:39:26
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| The events of the Baldur's Gate novels are considered canon. Since the games have multiple endings only those elements of them that have appeared in either novels, game supplements, or Dragon Magazine articles are considered canon. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Jul 2007 : 14:30:49
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| See also "Silicon Sorcery: The Bhaalspawn" in Dragon #288. |
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
France
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Jul 2007 : 15:03:03
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| Not if they originate in the game, unless someone decides to 'canonize' them afterwards. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Jul 2007 : 15:07:37
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Yeah, Kajehase summed it up really nicely. If it didn't show up in the novels, or in some official FR tabletop RPG product (which counts Dragon Magazine articles), then it didn't officially happen as far as the authors and designers are concerned.
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
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Posted - 08 Jul 2007 : 15:25:03
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Baldur’s Gate is clearly canon for all the reasons Kajehase provided. Take another computer game, Neverwinter Nights, for instance. It has no novelization. Nor does it have Dragon Magazine articles that I'm aware of. So it’s not canon right? Well, not yet. Perhaps you’ll discover some official references to the events of Neverwinter Nights and its expansions in a product coming out later this year. 
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Originally posted by Kajehase
The events of the Baldur's Gate novels are considered canon. Since the games have multiple endings only those elements of them that have appeared in either novels, game supplements, or Dragon Magazine articles are considered canon.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 08 Jul 2007 : 15:44:15
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Canons to the left of them
Canons to the right of them
Volleyed and thundered . . .
love,
THO |
Edited by - The Hooded One on 08 Jul 2007 15:44:50 |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 08 Jul 2007 : 15:53:09
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
Take another computer game, Neverwinter Nights, for instance. It has no novelization. Nor does it have Dragon Magazine articles that I'm aware of.
Well, there were a couple that gave stats for a few of the creatures in the game that weren't directly from existing D&D sources, but overall the articles didn't really do much to explain the events that occurred in the game.
They did, however, stat the "creator race," but that has since been directly overridden by the information in Serpent Kingdoms. But again, while the description was off, if I recall correctly there wasn't much in the way of lore or history in the article.
Edit: Dragon Magazine 294, 302, and 303 to be exact. |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 08 Jul 2007 : 20:47:24
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Canons to the left of them
Canons to the right of them
Volleyed and thundered . . .
love,
THO
...Storm'd at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell
; Rode the six hundred.
Memories from a writing team near deadline?
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 08 Jul 2007 : 22:02:57
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
So it’s not canon right? Well, not yet. Perhaps you’ll discover some official references to the events of Neverwinter Nights and its expansions in a product coming out later this year.
Hopefully not too many references as far as the NWN: OC is concerned. In regards to FR lore and respect for the setting, that game was a travesty (IMO). |
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Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 08 Jul 2007 22:03:36 |
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
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Posted - 09 Jul 2007 : 02:21:00
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A handful of timeline events really. Just enough to acknowledge the broad events took place, but not the details. I agree with your assessment of the NWN OC. It is surprising to me that the software designers of these video games don’t solicit more input from respected Realms loremasters such as Boyd or Krashos. As bad as some of the missteps are, however, I would rather fix the lore and concede its existence rather than ignore it all together.
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Hopefully not too many references as far as the NWN: OC is concerned. In regards to FR lore and respect for the setting, that game was a travesty (IMO).
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 09 Jul 2007 : 02:41:15
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That's actually kind of cool. I've been hesitant to really dive back into using Neverwinter, even though I love the city, for fear that eventually something would come along and reference some of the events of the games. If nothing else, I just wanted to have an official reference that either the plague happened or it didn't, as the details can be filled in pretty easily.
I'm kind of happy to have an "official word" on the subject. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Jul 2007 : 02:41:18
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
A handful of timeline events really. Just enough to acknowledge the broad events took place, but not the details. I agree with your assessment of the NWN OC. It is surprising to me that the software designers of these video games don’t solicit more input from respected Realms loremasters such as Boyd or Krashos. As bad as some of the missteps are, however, I would rather fix the lore and concede its existence rather than ignore it all together.
I agree, on all counts. And I'm relieved that the references aren't too detailed, although I have to admit that I did like the events in Shadows of Undrentide and Hordes of the Underdark. Thanks for the information. |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2007 : 05:01:39
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
A handful of timeline events really. Just enough to acknowledge the broad events took place, but not the details. I agree with your assessment of the NWN OC. It is surprising to me that the software designers of these video games don’t solicit more input from respected Realms loremasters such as Boyd or Krashos. As bad as some of the missteps are, however, I would rather fix the lore and concede its existence rather than ignore it all together.
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Hopefully not too many references as far as the NWN: OC is concerned. In regards to FR lore and respect for the setting, that game was a travesty (IMO).
I may be wrong here - but isn't for instance the game set at the same time as Lord Nasher is part of the army fighting the phaerimm besieging Evereska? |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Jul 2007 : 05:09:47
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Originally posted by Kajehase
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
A handful of timeline events really. Just enough to acknowledge the broad events took place, but not the details. I agree with your assessment of the NWN OC. It is surprising to me that the software designers of these video games don’t solicit more input from respected Realms loremasters such as Boyd or Krashos. As bad as some of the missteps are, however, I would rather fix the lore and concede its existence rather than ignore it all together.
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Hopefully not too many references as far as the NWN: OC is concerned. In regards to FR lore and respect for the setting, that game was a travesty (IMO).
I may be wrong here - but isn't for instance the game set at the same time as Lord Nasher is part of the army fighting the phaerimm besieging Evereska?
Maybe that was Lord Nasher's evil twin . . . or can that only happen in one Realms city at a time . . .  |
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Faraer
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Posted - 09 Jul 2007 : 07:47:53
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
It is surprising to me that the software designers of these video games don’t solicit more input from respected Realms loremasters such as Boyd or Krashos.
Then you probably haven't read some of David Gaider's comments about the Realms and Ed's writing.quote:
As bad as some of the missteps are, however, I would rather fix the lore and concede its existence rather than ignore it all together.
I don't see the harm; with effort, it would help in turning on NWN players to the Realms. |
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 09 Jul 2007 : 09:57:06
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Just in case, there are three novels of the games, all namesakes of the games (BG I, BG II and the add-on of the latter). Jaleigh Johnson's recently published The Howling Delve is also set in Amn.
If you look for sources, Tethyr - Lands of Intrigue (there is a "real" Renal Bloodscalp) and Cloak & Dagger - both AD&D but excellent sourcebooks. The Shadow Thieves also feature in Lords of Darkness. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 11 Jul 2007 : 02:18:36
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Originally posted by Kajehase
I may be wrong here - but isn't for instance the game set at the same time as Lord Nasher is part of the army fighting the phaerimm besieging Evereska?
Uhh, maybe. Heh. |
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