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Kelenthial
Acolyte
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 Posted - 24 Jun 2007 : 22:47:39
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I have searched for a while and was unable to find the lore that interests me in the moment (I am in dire need, actually; while I like to go un-canon everytime I find it favourable, I am reluctant to actually make up a matter of that magnitude), so I must ask the ones more enlighten than me, here, in Candlekeep:).
Will anyone be able to post some informations on the Houses of golden elves? Names, short history/description, connections, influence, native lands, famous elves, and so. It don't have to be an enourmous essay or anything like that - even a little bit of information will help me greatly. After all, we all know about House Durothil or Nimesin, for they are famous (although I would eagerly learn more!), but little of any of the other houses, save the Fey'ri ancestors. And, remember, I am not interested in customs or anything like this -- just the things I mentioned + plus history and language. Hope you will see it sufficiant to help!
And besides, I think it would be nice to have at least *one place* with some info of the golden ones. Avariel, drow, even Lythari (!) have their places in the net, while there is very little of the high elves - and they are surely more common:|. So, as one of the all-time golden elf player I plead you to give some attentions to us as well;).
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Jun 2007 : 00:22:36
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| Cormanthyr: Empire of the Elves sourcebook and the Evermeet sourcebook both list gold elven houses. |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
1618 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jun 2007 : 04:49:06
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| the novel; Evermeet, as well as just about everyone of Elaine Cunningham's other Forgotten realms novels, shed light on elven society. |
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Wenin
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 25 Jun 2007 : 05:39:32
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I just finished reading the Evermeet novel, and I still don't believe it was ever explained why Gold Elves think they are the True race of elves.
This belief seems to transcend the existance of Faerun in the history of the elves. I suppose this belief of their's is common in DnD settings before FR? |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2007 : 00:19:32
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Originally posted by Kelenthial
I have searched for a while and was unable to find the lore that interests me in the moment... <snip>
Will anyone be able to post some informations on the Houses of golden elves? <snip>...have their places in the net, while there is very little of the high elves - and they are surely more common...
Actually, if I'm not mistaken, Moon Elves are the equivalent of 'High Elves' (the more 'sociable' type), whilst Gold are more akin to the elusive 'Grey Elves' of other settings - aloof, stand-offish, prideful, etc... |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 22 Oct 2007 : 17:33:42
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Originally posted by MarkustayActually, if I'm not mistaken, Moon Elves are the equivalent of 'High Elves' (the more 'sociable' type), whilst Gold are more akin to the elusive 'Grey Elves' of other settings - aloof, stand-offish, prideful, etc...
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-Incorrect. Grey Elf is actually a derogitory term for Moon Elves, in the Realms. Thus, Moon Elves are 'Grey Elves' (to some). |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 22 Oct 2007 : 18:08:35
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
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Originally posted by MarkustayActually, if I'm not mistaken, Moon Elves are the equivalent of 'High Elves' (the more 'sociable' type), whilst Gold are more akin to the elusive 'Grey Elves' of other settings - aloof, stand-offish, prideful, etc...
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-Incorrect. Grey Elf is actually a derogitory term for Moon Elves, in the Realms. Thus, Moon Elves are 'Grey Elves' (to some).
No, Markustay was correct. Other settings have grey elves, and do not have moon elves. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
3741 Posts |
Posted - 23 Oct 2007 : 05:03:38
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert No, Markustay was correct. Other settings have grey elves, and do not have moon elves.
-Wooly, read what I wrote. Did I not specifically type 'in the Realms', and 'to some'? In the Realms, Moon Elves are sometimes known as Grey Elves. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 23 Oct 2007 : 05:45:08
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert No, Markustay was correct. Other settings have grey elves, and do not have moon elves.
-Wooly, read what I wrote. Did I not specifically type 'in the Realms', and 'to some'? In the Realms, Moon Elves are sometimes known as Grey Elves.
This is true. But Markustay was making the comparison to the elves of other settings. You said he was incorrect. This was not true. |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
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Posted - 23 Oct 2007 : 10:42:12
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There was once a wonderful homepage with lots of infos on elves. However, this site has been taken down, unfortunatelly! (it was http://www.myth-drannor.net) Sad to see great FR lore being removed from the web. (I do not know the reasons though).
Other than that, Kelenthial, I would gladly help out, but the infos in the tomes Kuje mentioned are too immense to put here, really.
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Elestar
Acolyte
Hungary
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Posted - 11 Dec 2007 : 23:35:24
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I know You are not interersted in custom content, but informations that are available of House Elestar might give You some useful perpective, hopefully relevant to the most sun (gold) elf houses. Although it is not offical, it can give You a view of elven history, as mentioning elven civilizations lost-to-time but as origins of many sun elf clan's nobility.
It also describes affiliations with melallic dragons (actually gold dragons), which affiliation is rumored to be the own of other official sun elf noble houses, such as House Durothil for instance (with a gold dragon's head on their seal and coat of arms).
Besides, Cormanthyr: Empire of the Elves sourcebook and Elves of Evermeet sourcebook are excellent sources of information fo sure.
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 12 Dec 2007 : 12:36:56
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Originally posted by Elestar
It also describes affiliations with melallic dragons (actually gold dragons), which affiliation is rumored to be the own of other official sun elf noble houses, such as House Durothil for instance (with a gold dragon's head on their seal and coat of arms).
How come a House full of pricks like Durothil can have a Gold dragon as their symbol without being laughed at? |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
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Posted - 12 Dec 2007 : 14:06:02
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Originally posted by khorne
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Originally posted by Elestar
It also describes affiliations with melallic dragons (actually gold dragons), which affiliation is rumored to be the own of other official sun elf noble houses, such as House Durothil for instance (with a gold dragon's head on their seal and coat of arms).
How come a House full of pricks like Durothil can have a Gold dragon as their symbol without being laughed at?
And now you learn the true power of money, age, and politics behind the elven societies.   The kindest of elves (and oldest, usually) sigh wistfully when they see House Durothil's mark and remember when that family truly lived up to its ancient reputation as gold dragon riders (or at least that's one rumor).
Steven
who happily managed to slip the House Maerdrym symbol into Blackstaff Tower and wishes he had a visual guide to all the house symbols (current, extinct, etc.), not just the descriptors he left in Cormanthyr....
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 12 Dec 2007 : 14:24:12
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Originally posted by khorne
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Originally posted by Elestar
It also describes affiliations with melallic dragons (actually gold dragons), which affiliation is rumored to be the own of other official sun elf noble houses, such as House Durothil for instance (with a gold dragon's head on their seal and coat of arms).
How come a House full of pricks like Durothil can have a Gold dragon as their symbol without being laughed at?
Who says they're a "house full of pricks"? There were good Durothils too, remember. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Dec 2007 : 14:27:22
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Originally posted by Elestar
I know You are not interersted in custom content, but informations that are available of House Elestar might give You some useful perpective, hopefully relevant to the most sun (gold) elf houses. Although it is not offical, it can give You a view of elven history, as mentioning elven civilizations lost-to-time but as origins of many sun elf clan's nobility.
Besides, Cormanthyr: Empire of the Elves sourcebook and Elves of Evermeet sourcebook are excellent sources of information fo sure.
Out of curiosity I did look up your website, and I found it to be very interesting. Maybe you should put a link in your signature. |
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Elestar
Acolyte
Hungary
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Posted - 14 Dec 2007 : 01:59:58
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Out of curiosity I did look up your website, and I found it to be very interesting. Maybe you should put a link in your signature.
I am happy you thinking so!
Thank you for the advice! I already put the link in my signature.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 14 Dec 2007 : 15:21:06
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I am happy you thinking so!
Thank you for the advice! I already put the link in my signature.
You're very welcome. |
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Kelenthial
Acolyte
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Posted - 27 Apr 2008 : 22:46:52
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Sorry for taking so long to reply, but I was eventually caried away with my research and Real Life.
I have already read all the books you mentioned prior to asking the question - it should be obvious from the data I mentioned - and while I must admit that E. Cunningham's book was very useful indeed (more than any other mentioned above, paradoxically) it doesn't really contain the info I was looking for. Many thanks to any who bothered replying, though. In the end I decided to go with my version of the 'lore' as there is no official info available. It has one more advantage: it surely is a LOT more cohesive that all this novel/sourcebook stuff could be (as the existing ones contradicting themselves on every step, and so.... :) ) |
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Umm... Golden elves - history and society?
