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Iliphar1
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Posted - 25 May 2007 :  13:24:55  Show Profile  Visit Iliphar1's Homepage Send Iliphar1 a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
I am wondering about the rules about templates.

If a Selune Silverstar becomes a Werebear after reaching 6th level Priest and 6th level Moonstar, he gains the special ability of becoming a natural lycantrophe (if he is infected with lycantrophy)

It seems to be a logical step, that a priest of this level and this ability would seek to become infested with lycantrophy!

I am wondering about the rules of doing so. Is it true, that the werebear template means, that the priest would have to accept an level adjustment and if so, how high would it be?

thx for your help

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Kentinal
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Posted - 25 May 2007 :  13:43:13  Show Profile Send Kentinal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The werebear has a Level Adjustment of +3

As far as getting infected, just find one get bit and vouluntary fail save.

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Kes_Alanadel
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Posted - 25 May 2007 :  15:00:41  Show Profile  Visit Kes_Alanadel's Homepage Send Kes_Alanadel a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The racial hit dice of the bear has to be taken into account as well. Which means a werebear has a +9 to ECL (+3 LA and 6d8 racial die).
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Darkmeer
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Posted - 25 May 2007 :  15:04:10  Show Profile  Visit Darkmeer's Homepage Send Darkmeer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Don't forget that the Racial Hit Dice count against the natural lycanthrope as well. So, yes it's a boon, but also a LA problem because with hit dice the ECL for a were-brown bear is something like +9 with their 6hd, and add that to the class levels and you're epic pretty quick. Now, if your DM ruled that the Silverstar levels counted as the bear Hit Dice, you'd only have to deal with the +3 LA.

Dragon had an article in #313 showing the racial classes for were-creatures. I'd recommend reading that before you jumped right in for the werebear template.

I hope I helped.
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Edit: Kes beat me to the 6hd, thanks for the confirmation.

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Edited by - Darkmeer on 25 May 2007 15:06:26
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 25 May 2007 :  17:34:42  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sean K Reynolds wrote an excellent sourcebook for werecritters called Curse of the Moon. It's a $5 pdf, and it has a lot of nifty ideas for weres... SKR states that the whole lycanthrope template is broken, and presents several ways to deal with it.

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warlockco
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Posted - 25 May 2007 :  19:03:24  Show Profile  Visit warlockco's Homepage Send warlockco a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sides who wants to be a Were-Bear when you can be a Were-Tiger

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sleyvas
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Yeah, but noone ever suspects the........ were-penguin

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warlockco
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quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

Yeah, but noone ever suspects the........ were-penguin



If I'm gonna be a bird, Were-Chocobo ftw!!

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Darkmeer
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Posted - 26 May 2007 :  02:56:02  Show Profile  Visit Darkmeer's Homepage Send Darkmeer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by warlockco

quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

Yeah, but noone ever suspects the........ were-penguin



If I'm gonna be a bird, Were-Chocobo ftw!!



I think I'm going to go bang my head against the wall.


All better now.
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Iliphar1
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Posted - 26 May 2007 :  10:37:28  Show Profile  Visit Iliphar1's Homepage Send Iliphar1 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
thx for your help!
quote:
Now, if your DM ruled that the Silverstar levels counted as the bear Hit Dice, you'd only have to deal with the +3 LA.


I think that really makes most sense!
Else the werebear would advance through a single bite 6 Levels and hence be by far the most powerful character in the party

Werebear mainly, because they are good, and I doubt, that Selune would be happy to have a Silverstar turn into an evil Lycantrophe

... werepenguin.. What an fabulous idea! Extremely well adept in arktic cold and has quite an enormous bonus for swimming and fishing! I'll suggest that one to the priest!

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 26 May 2007 :  12:10:18  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Iliphar1

Werebear mainly, because they are good, and I doubt, that Selune would be happy to have a Silverstar turn into an evil Lycantrophe


If I remember correctly, Silverstars infected by lycanthropy don't have to worry about the infection causing alignment changes. So, if I'm right, that means a Silverstar that becomes a werewolf would remain good.

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Sian
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Posted - 27 May 2007 :  11:01:28  Show Profile  Visit Sian's Homepage Send Sian a Private Message  Reply with Quote
right ... i think it is at 5'th or 6'th level Silverstars aren't prone to Alignment changes due to Lycanthropy anymore

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