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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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 Posted - 06 Apr 2007 : 20:53:26
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I noticed when rereading Akadi's entry in Faiths and Avatars that her crusader (or in 3.5 I guess, the militant) arm of the faith is known as the Knights of the Wind's Four Quarters, and the orders of Spring (neutral), Summer (good), and Winter (evil) are detailed, but no mention is made of Fall, or what they might believe. I'd not think much about there not being a "fall" part of the order, except that the order is known as the Wind's Four Quarters.
So, have I missed a reference, or has the "fall" order never been detailed or mentioned?
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Na-Gang
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Posted - 07 Apr 2007 : 12:16:06
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| Maybe the Spring and Fall orders are both Neutral - one being more lawful and the other more chaotic. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Apr 2007 : 14:44:06
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| Well, it might be a possibility now, but back when Faiths and Avatars came out, it seemed like, while Akadi herself was neutral, her worshipers tended toward the chaotic side, since none of her clergy was listed as having a lawful alignment. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 07 Apr 2007 : 15:37:09
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I'm not convinced there is a fourth order... The wind is perceived as coming from one of four quarters, so the name makes sense -- but it does not necessarily mean there are four orders. Especially since the known orders aren't based on the winds, but on the seasons.
Other possibilities include the Fall order being something totally unlike the other orders. It could be entirely a support group, or the church administration, just something to call the laity and/or non-adventuring clergy, a "black ops" group, a group dedicated to a specific mission or region, or even the name given to a now defunct (perhaps fallen or destroyed) order. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Apr 2007 : 16:08:37
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| I was wondering if maybe there just wasn't a fourth "wind" myself, but I wanted to make sure that there wasn't something I was missing. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Apr 2007 : 16:26:03
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| Myself, I'd say maybe it has ties to Mielikki since she is the current deity of Autumn. Or maybe Selune since she had it when Netheril was active. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 07 Apr 2007 : 17:04:46
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Another possible interpretation to explain the absence of a "Fall" order could relate to the fact that Autumn, being usually seen as a transitional season between Summer and Winter, just doesn't have the kind of solid basis for an alignment that the Akadian crusaders are looking for. Whereas, the other orders seem to relate well with the alignments they're set upon.
Alternatively, the "Fall" order itself could comprise mainly of the non-aligned crusaders among the Knights -- mystics who aren't currently members of either the Summer Wind, Spring's Breeze, or Midwinter's Teeth. The Autumn [or 'Fall'] order, again with its 'transitional' connotations, could simply reflect the 'rest' of the Knightly order... some of whom will eventually shift into one of the more established sub-orders in the Knighthood.
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 07 Apr 2007 : 17:35:15
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You're conflating four separate groups:
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The order of Akadian crusaders is known as the Knights of the Wind's Four Quarters. Its members tend to pursue personal quests and errands for church elders or carry out the ongoing vendetta against the church of Grumbar. Mystics of the faith belong to the Companions of the Summer Wind, who tend to be good aligned, the Disciples of Spring's Breeze, who are mainly neutral, or the Alliance of Midwinter's Teeth, who are evil.
In the context of Faiths and Avatars, the word "crusader" wasn't just a catch-all for militant members of the faith; it specifically referred to members of a certain priest subclass. Likewise for the word "mystics." The paragraph is describing one crusader order--the Knights of the Wind's Four Quarters--and three separate orders of mystics, one for each alignment group. The Companions, Disciples and Alliance are not part of the Knights, nor are the sub-orders. The Four Quarters in the title for the crusader order refers not to seasons, but to the four quarters of the compass.
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Apr 2007 : 22:11:43
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Okay, I feel like an idiot now. I knew that crusaders were a separate class, but for some reason the mystic thing didn't trip the right cord. I just read straight through there and assumed they were still talking about aspects of the same order. Now that I reread that, it makes perfect sense. Thanks Garen Thal.
Sorry about that all. |
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 10 Apr 2007 : 23:41:15
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Don't be silly. Far greater mistakes have been made by missing more explicit text than that, and causing far greater headaches.
Just remember to stay upwind. |
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 23 Apr 2008 : 19:12:28
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Sorry for arriving long time after the battle but I re-read for few weeks F&A and F&P to gather the most comprehensive information about the Torilian Pantheons.
I'm just finalizing the Akadi's section and I came to this topic to learn more about her.
I do not understand the question of KnightErrantJR.
The Order is called the Knights of the Wind's Four Quarters indeed. But are not these quarters the cardinal points North, South, East and West ?
In France, "the Wind's Four Quarters" have been translated as "The winds rose " which is the image of directions of a compass (N, S, E, W). Is it the same for you ?
What are the Four Quarters ? Seasons or cardinal points ? |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 23 Apr 2008 : 19:26:11
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Originally posted by Fillow
Sorry for arriving long time after the battle but I re-read for few weeks F&A and F&P to gather the most comprehensive information about the Torilian Pantheons.
I'm just finalizing the Akadi's section and I came to this topic to learn more about her.
I do not understand the question of KnightErrantJR.
The Order is called the Knights of the Wind's Four Quarters indeed. But are not these quarters the cardinal points North, South, East and West ?
In France, "the Wind's Four Quarters" have been translated as "The winds rose " which is the image of directions of a compass (N, S, E, W). Is it the same for you ?
What are the Four Quarters ? Seasons or cardinal points ?
Go back and reread Garen Thal's post. KnightE was misreading a bit of text, thinking that the orders named after the seasons were divisions of the order named after the winds, instead of separate groups.  |
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Fillow
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 23 Apr 2008 : 20:28:45
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Originally posted by Fillow
Totally stupide from me !
Moreover, I wrote this text in French language this morning ! So I knew abut the Knights AND the mystics !
Shame on me.
Thanks Wooly.
I will try to read the whole topic on the next time !
You saw I had another question about Akadi in another topic tonight ?
No worries. We all make that mistake from time to time...
And I answered your other question. |
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Akadi's Crusader Orders; What is the Fall Order?
