Candlekeep Forum
Candlekeep Forum
Home | Profile | Register | Active Topics | Active Polls | Members | Private Messages | Search | FAQ
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

 All Forums
 Realmslore
 Sages of Realmslore
 The arch devils & Faerūn
 New Topic  New Poll New Poll
 Reply to Topic
 Printer Friendly
Next Page
Author Previous Topic Topic Next Topic
Page: of 2

boddynock
Learned Scribe

Belgium
258 Posts

Posted - 20 Mar 2007 :  11:52:37  Show Profile  Visit boddynock's Homepage Send boddynock a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
I'm wondering if the arch devils from the nine hells (asmodeus, belial, Moloch, ...) have/had worshippers in the Forgotten Realms too. And which of those foul overlords have the most "popularity"?

ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer

USA
2086 Posts

Posted - 20 Mar 2007 :  12:47:59  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by boddynock

I'm wondering if the arch devils from the nine hells (asmodeus, belial, Moloch, ...) have/had worshippers in the Forgotten Realms too. And which of those foul overlords have the most "popularity"?





Yes, see Champions of Ruin for the necessary feat.

I know that Mephistopholes and Glasya have been mentioned by name in various products, but probably all the archdevils have their adherents.

--Eric

--
http://www.ericlboyd.com/dnd/
Go to Top of Page

Dargoth
Great Reader

Australia
4607 Posts

Posted - 20 Mar 2007 :  14:21:41  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Gargauth is probably the most well known although hes a god now so hes not really an arch devil

The 3 most well known devil related events in the FR have revolved around Hellsgate keep, Dragonspear castle and the Ruins of Zhentil Keep. In the last 2 the highest ranking devil involved was a Pit Fiend. There was also a Pit fiend and some devils living in the ruins of Myth Drannor but again no mention of any Arch devil involvement.

I personally believe Glasya and Sfna (Of Iron Throne fame) are one and the same there stories are to similar

“I am the King of Rome, and above grammar”

Emperor Sigismund

"Its good to be the King!"

Mel Brooks
Go to Top of Page

Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author

USA
4598 Posts

Posted - 20 Mar 2007 :  14:59:56  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by boddynock

I'm wondering if the arch devils from the nine hells (asmodeus, belial, Moloch, ...) have/had worshippers in the Forgotten Realms too.



The warlock Davoren Hellsheart, a character in my latest novel, Depths of Madness, is a disciple of Asmodeus (he actually has levels in the prestige class). Fits with his charming personality.

I had the good fortune and honor of working with Eytan Bernstein on his latest "Class Chronicles" entry (re: Warlocks) and it includes a writeup and statblock on Davoren:

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/frcc/20070314

(I find it quite awesome, and am rather free and easy with this link.)

Cheers

Erik Scott de Bie

'Tis easier to destroy than to create.

Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars"
Go to Top of Page

boddynock
Learned Scribe

Belgium
258 Posts

Posted - 20 Mar 2007 :  21:58:46  Show Profile  Visit boddynock's Homepage Send boddynock a Private Message  Reply with Quote
thanks for the information

And Eric, A diciple of Asmodeus in your novel sounds really cool. I'm sure I will buy it. (don't know if the novel is out in Belgium yet) But I will check it
Go to Top of Page

Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore

Canada
1796 Posts

Posted - 20 Mar 2007 :  23:37:50  Show Profile Send Purple Dragon Knight a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by boddynock

thanks for the information

And Eric, A diciple of Asmodeus in your novel sounds really cool. I'm sure I will buy it. (don't know if the novel is out in Belgium yet) But I will check it

He meant Erik...

Nitpicking aside, I find the inclusion of Asmodeus and al. a very good 'move' for the Realms... (i.e. for completely selfish reasons of course --> see my COSMOS UNIFYING THEORY HERE... )
Go to Top of Page

Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader

USA
7106 Posts

Posted - 21 Mar 2007 :  01:35:00  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, Asmodeus did show up in Elminster in Hell a few years ago.

"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time)
Go to Top of Page

jespin
Acolyte

12 Posts

Posted - 21 Mar 2007 :  01:44:19  Show Profile  Visit jespin's Homepage Send jespin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think I saw that Glasya is mentioned to be active in Ravensbluff in one of the feinds source books. Also isnt one of the character in the Everis Cale novels the son of a biggie Devil, can't wait to read the rest of those novels.
Go to Top of Page

Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore

Canada
1796 Posts

Posted - 21 Mar 2007 :  06:58:02  Show Profile Send Purple Dragon Knight a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

Well, Asmodeus did show up in Elminster in Hell a few years ago.

Now, I do NOT remember that!
Was it one of those read between the lines moments?
Go to Top of Page

EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer

USA
704 Posts

Posted - 21 Mar 2007 :  11:16:47  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Glasya is also active in the same article Erik mentioned.

http://eytanbernstein.com - the official website of Eytan Bernstein
Go to Top of Page

ShadezofDis
Senior Scribe

402 Posts

Posted - 21 Mar 2007 :  15:07:44  Show Profile  Visit ShadezofDis's Homepage Send ShadezofDis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight

Now, I do NOT remember that!
Was it one of those read between the lines moments?
[/quote]

Heh, nope, pretty blatent. He doesn't show up "physically" but he "speaks" to the Simbul (I think it was the Simbul anyhow *g*)
Go to Top of Page

Kuje
Great Reader

USA
7915 Posts

Posted - 21 Mar 2007 :  15:20:09  Show Profile Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ShadezofDis

Heh, nope, pretty blatent. He doesn't show up "physically" but he "speaks" to the Simbul (I think it was the Simbul anyhow *g*)



And she tosses a spell or two at him. :) It's hard to miss that he was in that book....

For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird

Scribe for the Candlekeep Compendium
Go to Top of Page

Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author

USA
4598 Posts

Posted - 21 Mar 2007 :  16:47:31  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by boddynock

And Eric, A diciple of Asmodeus in your novel sounds really cool. I'm sure I will buy it. (don't know if the novel is out in Belgium yet) But I will check it



Awesome -- I appreciate the vote of confidence.

quote:
Originally posted by jespin

Also isnt one of the character in the Everis Cale novels the son of a biggie Devil, can't wait to read the rest of those novels.


That would be Magadon, the son of Mephistophiles.

quote:
Originally posted by Kuje

quote:
Originally posted by ShadezofDis

Heh, nope, pretty blatent. He doesn't show up "physically" but he "speaks" to the Simbul (I think it was the Simbul anyhow *g*)



And she tosses a spell or two at him. :) It's hard to miss that he was in that book....



As I recall, Mystra herself also wove enchantments at him, or perhaps was simply "almost" going to face him.

I remember this because a friend of mine, reading about the same time I did, who is something of an Asmodeus fan (running campaigns against the lord of hell back in 1e), was ranting about that scene, saying "how could her magic even affect him, when he's in Hell. HIS Hell! I mean, only if he *let* her affect him."

Quoth I: "Dude -- she's a greater goddess."

Spake he: "Damn!"

No lie.

Cheers

Erik Scott de Bie

'Tis easier to destroy than to create.

Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars"

Edited by - Erik Scott de Bie on 21 Mar 2007 16:50:50
Go to Top of Page

Mournblade
Master of Realmslore

USA
1287 Posts

Posted - 21 Mar 2007 :  23:27:50  Show Profile Send Mournblade a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have to say:

The Fiendish COdex II was one of the most riveting rulebooks I read in a while. I have always included the Archdevils in my FR campaign.

A wizard is Never late Frodo Baggins. Nor is he Early. A wizard arrives precisely when he means to...
Go to Top of Page

khorne
Master of Realmslore

Finland
1073 Posts

Posted - 22 Mar 2007 :  12:48:36  Show Profile  Visit khorne's Homepage Send khorne a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

Well, Asmodeus did show up in Elminster in Hell a few years ago.

Is there any mention anywhere of what happened in the Hells after that? Mystra did make Asmodeus insane, after all, and I wonder what the big A did to Hell before his head cleared(if it has cleared).

If I were a ranger, I would pick NDA for my favorite enemy
Go to Top of Page

Kuje
Great Reader

USA
7915 Posts

Posted - 22 Mar 2007 :  15:19:12  Show Profile Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by khorne

quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

Well, Asmodeus did show up in Elminster in Hell a few years ago.

Is there any mention anywhere of what happened in the Hells after that? Mystra did make Asmodeus insane, after all, and I wonder what the big A did to Hell before his head cleared(if it has cleared).



Nope, notta. Another one of those plots that haven't been followed up on. :(

For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird

Scribe for the Candlekeep Compendium
Go to Top of Page

Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore

Denmark
1076 Posts

Posted - 22 Mar 2007 :  15:38:43  Show Profile  Visit Victor_ograygor's Homepage Send Victor_ograygor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What happened to Halaster Blackcloak? Is he still Al: CE after Mystra removed the insanity from him?

Victor Ograygor The Assassin and Candel keeps cellar master

Everything I need to know about life I learned from killing smart people.

Links related to Forgotten Realms
http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9571

Adventuring / Mercenary Companies / Orders / The chosen from official sources
http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11047

Priests in Forgotten Realms.
http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9609&whichpage=1

Edited by - Victor_ograygor on 22 Mar 2007 15:40:11
Go to Top of Page

Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author

USA
4598 Posts

Posted - 22 Mar 2007 :  16:17:34  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kuje

quote:
Originally posted by khorne

quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

Well, Asmodeus did show up in Elminster in Hell a few years ago.

Is there any mention anywhere of what happened in the Hells after that? Mystra did make Asmodeus insane, after all, and I wonder what the big A did to Hell before his head cleared(if it has cleared).



Nope, notta. Another one of those plots that haven't been followed up on. :(



Maybe he was always insane, and this newest enchantment was just icing.

Cheers

Erik Scott de Bie

'Tis easier to destroy than to create.

Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars"
Go to Top of Page

ShadezofDis
Senior Scribe

402 Posts

Posted - 22 Mar 2007 :  16:22:17  Show Profile  Visit ShadezofDis's Homepage Send ShadezofDis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by khorne

quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

Well, Asmodeus did show up in Elminster in Hell a few years ago.

Is there any mention anywhere of what happened in the Hells after that? Mystra did make Asmodeus insane, after all, and I wonder what the big A did to Hell before his head cleared(if it has cleared).



Ummm. . . Well, Halaster's Sharian influenced insanity really isn't even a pebble in the pond of big A.

IMO the Arch-Devils, big A in particular, are of a level with gods (I even rule them as more powerful, as big A is a part of the multiverse, where Mystra is FR specific, though inside of FR Mystra trumps big A)
Go to Top of Page

khorne
Master of Realmslore

Finland
1073 Posts

Posted - 22 Mar 2007 :  18:52:00  Show Profile  Visit khorne's Homepage Send khorne a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

quote:
Originally posted by Kuje

quote:
Originally posted by khorne

quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

Well, Asmodeus did show up in Elminster in Hell a few years ago.

Is there any mention anywhere of what happened in the Hells after that? Mystra did make Asmodeus insane, after all, and I wonder what the big A did to Hell before his head cleared(if it has cleared).



Nope, notta. Another one of those plots that haven't been followed up on. :(



Maybe he was always insane, and this newest enchantment was just icing.

Cheers

Perhaps, but there still should have been some sort of hoo-haa going on in Hell after this. Asmodeus has many enemies in the Hells, most notably Mephistopheles, and wouldn't they, being devils(and thus masters of intrigues and plots) quickly seize the chance,any chance, to strike at the Lord of the Ninth after he became noticeably less lucid. Devils are able to spot the smallest of weaknesses, after all.

Or at least, that's my opinion.

If I were a ranger, I would pick NDA for my favorite enemy
Go to Top of Page

Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author

USA
4598 Posts

Posted - 22 Mar 2007 :  18:56:42  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Asmodeus's "madness" might have precipitated the Reckoning.

I rather think Wizards left that open for individual DMs to handle. Like this campaign hook: "Asmodeus was weakened by his battle with Mystra -- now's the chance for valiant heroes to defeat him!"

Cheers

Erik Scott de Bie

'Tis easier to destroy than to create.

Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars"
Go to Top of Page

Kuje
Great Reader

USA
7915 Posts

Posted - 22 Mar 2007 :  21:31:50  Show Profile Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Victor_ograygor

What happened to Halaster Blackcloak? Is he still Al: CE after Mystra removed the insanity from him?



Ed has discussed Halaster and the events that took place after that novel. It's in his replies... probably from 2004 and 2005 more then 2006 and 2007.

For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird

Scribe for the Candlekeep Compendium
Go to Top of Page

boddynock
Learned Scribe

Belgium
258 Posts

Posted - 22 Mar 2007 :  22:41:37  Show Profile  Visit boddynock's Homepage Send boddynock a Private Message  Reply with Quote
MMM, I'm not convicted that Mystra was able to make Asmodeus permanently insane. Maybe for a short time, but I'm sure the lord of the nine could foresee and calculate the power of mystra. He wouldn't take too much risk if he wasn't sure he could handle it. But that's my humble opinion [:). Maybe the whole thing can be a new master plan of Asmodeus himself to let Mephistoteles maka a move to make a coup. By doing this he would have to face Glasya. (or a test to see Glasya's loyalty etc....

and about "Depths of Madness", I just made contact with my local shop to put an exemplare aside for me
Go to Top of Page

KnightErrantJR
Great Reader

USA
5402 Posts

Posted - 22 Mar 2007 :  22:55:33  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Or it could be why he Levistus is still alive and in charge of a Realm instead of some other, loyal, archdevils. Then again, I wouldn't picture his "madness" being very debilitating one way or the other. I just don't think a mortal's madness, even a mortal as powerful as Halaster, would make much of a dent in the Lord of the Nine.
Go to Top of Page

The Sage
Procrastinator Most High

Australia
31799 Posts

Posted - 22 Mar 2007 :  23:18:44  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kuje

quote:
Originally posted by Victor_ograygor

What happened to Halaster Blackcloak? Is he still Al: CE after Mystra removed the insanity from him?



Ed has discussed Halaster and the events that took place after that novel. It's in his replies... probably from 2004 and 2005 more then 2006 and 2007.

We know Halaster can slip back into his periods of insanity every now and then... but it's nothing compared to what he experienced before the purging of the influence from Shar.

What's always scared me though, is what Ed, Eric or Steven can *do* with a SANE Halaster!

Candlekeep Forums Moderator

Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
http://www.candlekeep.com
-- Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct

Scribe for the Candlekeep Compendium -- Volume IX now available (Oct 2007)

"So Saith Ed" -- the collected Candlekeep replies of Ed Greenwood

Zhoth'ilam Folio -- The Electronic Misadventures of a Rambling Sage

Edited by - The Sage on 22 Mar 2007 23:19:45
Go to Top of Page

Kuje
Great Reader

USA
7915 Posts

Posted - 22 Mar 2007 :  23:41:04  Show Profile Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

What's always scared me though, is what Ed, Eric or Steven can *do* with a SANE Halaster!


I agree! I think I've said that on and off myself over the years. :)


For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird

Scribe for the Candlekeep Compendium
Go to Top of Page

Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author

USA
4598 Posts

Posted - 22 Mar 2007 :  23:45:40  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by boddynock

and about "Depths of Madness", I just made contact with my local shop to put an exemplare aside for me



I hope you enjoy!

Cheers

Erik Scott de Bie

'Tis easier to destroy than to create.

Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars"
Go to Top of Page

Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore

Denmark
1076 Posts

Posted - 23 Mar 2007 :  09:21:29  Show Profile  Visit Victor_ograygor's Homepage Send Victor_ograygor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Are we thinking of a new lord in Waterdeep ?

Victor Ograygor The Assassin and Candel keeps cellar master

Everything I need to know about life I learned from killing smart people.

Links related to Forgotten Realms
http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9571

Adventuring / Mercenary Companies / Orders / The chosen from official sources
http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11047

Priests in Forgotten Realms.
http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9609&whichpage=1
Go to Top of Page

boddynock
Learned Scribe

Belgium
258 Posts

Posted - 23 Mar 2007 :  16:21:08  Show Profile  Visit boddynock's Homepage Send boddynock a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Another question of me is if someone knows what happened with Moloch & Geryon after the big war in hell? In a second edition adventure called a paladin in hell, geryon was summoned by asmodeus but that's all I know.

Question 2: Is there a D&D book where you can find the stats of azazel (tana'rri). I just know he is mentioned in Fiendish codex I

Edited by - boddynock on 23 Mar 2007 16:22:26
Go to Top of Page

Shemmy
Senior Scribe

USA
492 Posts

Posted - 28 Mar 2007 :  22:34:15  Show Profile  Visit Shemmy's Homepage Send Shemmy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by boddynock

Another question of me is if someone knows what happened with Moloch & Geryon after the big war in hell? In a second edition adventure called a paladin in hell, geryon was summoned by asmodeus but that's all I know.

Question 2: Is there a D&D book where you can find the stats of azazel (tana'rri). I just know he is mentioned in Fiendish codex I



Moloch is currently in exile on the layer of Avernus, with little to no political power within the heirarchy of Baator. But he's in a much better situation than Geryon who is as dead as dead can be. Initially after the events of The Reckoning in Baator (which are not recent events in-game), Geryon was just stripped of power, but ultimately he was killed and devoured by Asmodeus.

And there are no stats of Azazel, and no information on him outside of the FC:I (and IIRC his name is listed somewhat randomly in the 1e MM2 along with a laundry list of archfiends that were never detailed till later editions if at all).

Shemeska the Marauder, King of the Crosstrade; voted #1 best Arcanaloth in Sigil two hundred years running by the people who know what's best for them; chant broker; prospective Sigil council member next election; and official travel agent for Chamada Holiday specials LLC.

Edited by - Shemmy on 28 Mar 2007 22:38:20
Go to Top of Page

boddynock
Learned Scribe

Belgium
258 Posts

Posted - 29 Mar 2007 :  16:43:36  Show Profile  Visit boddynock's Homepage Send boddynock a Private Message  Reply with Quote
thanks for the information. I never found out why Asmodeus betrayed his only loyal servant, but hey .. he's the master of deception :-)
Go to Top of Page
Page: of 2 Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  
Next Page
 New Topic  New Poll New Poll
 Reply to Topic
 Printer Friendly
Jump To:
Candlekeep Forum © 1999-2025 Candlekeep.com Go To Top Of Page
Snitz Forums 2000