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nbnmare
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 Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 00:02:19
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We all know that according to 3rd Edition D&D, all the official campaign settings are set in "alternate primes". However, to my knowledge no sourcebook has never stated that any of the D&D worlds are utterly alone in their particular prime material plane, and even if this has been said, there is much evidence to the contrary.
Numerous official FR novels and sourcebooks (particularly the Elvis Cale trilogy, with its temple that travels between worlds) have mentioned and occasionally even explored other worlds, making it clear that there *are* other worlds in the "Forgotten Prime"; they simply aren't places where any official campaign settings are set. I thought it might be a nice idea to collect some of these other worlds in one place. In most cases we don't even know the names of these worlds, and it might even be possible that some of them are the same place, or that some of them are demiplanes rather than other worlds.
- The other worlds of Realmspace.*
- The world of Bane's origin (Stormlight).
- The world of Kiaransalee's origin.
- The elven homeworld **.
- The dwarven homeworld.
- The world the humans and halflings of Calimshan (as well as the genies Calim and Memnon) come from.
- The world the people and gods of Mulhorand and Unther, as well as a handful of other deities, come from. ***
- The world the gray orcs come from.
- The world where the land of Stormweather exists (Lord of Stormweather).
- The world the city of Elgrin Fau was banished from (Dawn of Night).
* These have yet to be mentioned outside the 2E Spelljammer Realmspace source book, so their status as canon is debatable.
** There's also the theory that elves originate from the realm of Faerie, rather than another world.
*** This may or may not be Earth, and it may or may not be "our" Earth, but let's not get into that here  .
I'm sure I've probably missed a few, and some of the above may have even been named somewhere. Anyone got any additional input?
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Edited by - nbnmare on 28 Feb 2007 00:10:22
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 00:23:18
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Originally posted by nbnmare
* These have yet to be mentioned outside the 2E Spelljammer Realmspace source book, so their status as canon is debatable.
Though, spelljamming has been acknowledged in several FR 3e sources (like the FRCS and SK) and by game designers (like Rich Baker and Eric L Boyd) as existing in the 3e FR. Thus, I would assume that since WotC have yet to declare otherwise, the other planets and Selune, as well their associated civilizations (from the Realmspace sourcebook) largely still, likely, exist in 3e FR as well.
As well, since we haven't learnt otherwise, we can still assume that the stars in Realmspace are actually portals to the Plane of Radiance, so says the Realmspace sourcebook.
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Markustay
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 04:55:27
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Originally posted by nbnmare
** There's also the theory that elves originate from the realm of Faerie, rather than another world.
*** This may or may not be Earth, and it may or may not be "our" Earth, but let's not get into that here .
I'd have to agree with Sage, Realmspace (the Prime that contains Abeir-Toril) is pretty much set in stone. Barring a 'Rogue Planet' (a'la Mongo) entering the Sphere, there isn't much chance of anything else being there.
Elves DO originate from Fäerie, as per Elaine Cunningham's wonderful novel, Evermeet. Since there were both Green Elves and Dark Elves already present in Faerūn before the fall of Tintageer, you 'might' decide that those two sub-races came from elsewhere. However, I'm pretty sure they were just earlier emigrants from their as well (After all, Aurushnee had Dark Elf qualities). 'Elf Prime' is probably in it's own sphere, and is most likely the very first prime material world settled by the Elves. Maybe it was supposed to be the only world seeded with the Elves, but they had other ideas? Also, it probably is the world that the Seldarine were originally from, before they became extra-planar powers (unless they too were from Fäerie originally, but I see no 'canonical' indication of that).
As far as the 'Mulhorandi' thing goes, I prefer to think that the Egyptians were ALSO decendents of the same proto-race, instead of the other way around. Thats NOT canon, but it gives the Imaskari an even more impresssive myth, with outposts/colonies on multiple worlds. However, I think Ed intended them to have actually come from Earth, but I'm sure someone will be along shortly to correct me if I'm wrong about any of this. |
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 05:02:09
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| I have to think that Kiaraunsalee's dead world and the orc "homeworld" would make for some interesting side treks in a campaign. |
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nbnmare
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 11:55:17
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Originally posted by Markustay
I'd have to agree with Sage, Realmspace (the Prime that contains Abeir-Toril) is pretty much set in stone. Barring a 'Rogue Planet' (a'la Mongo) entering the Sphere, there isn't much chance of anything else being there.
If WotC can completely and utterly replace the Realm's planar cosmology, which had been mentioned in countles 1st and 2nd edition novels and sourcebooks (and even makes the plots of a few storylines impossible to have happened, such as Finder's Bane), I don't think it would take much effort on their part to replace a set of planets that have only ever been mentioned in one book which wasn't even part of the Forgotten Realms line .
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Elves DO originate from Fäerie, as per Elaine Cunningham's wonderful novel, Evermeet. Since there were both Green Elves and Dark Elves already present in Faerūn before the fall of Tintageer, you 'might' decide that those two sub-races came from elsewhere.
Indeed. However, there has been much speculation over whether the Faerie the elves come from is indeed the realm of Faerie, or the world of Faerie, which would be two different places-though most likely with the latter named after the former. The latter theory seems most popular amongst those who want to integrate elven lore from Spelljammer (with its lost elven homeworld) with that of the Forgotten Realms. Then again, it would make a lot of sense if the reason no-one can find the elven homeworld is because it's not a world, it's another plane of existence .
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I have to think that Kiaraunsalee's dead world and the orc "homeworld" would make for some interesting side treks in a campaign.
Some of these worlds would definitely be nice to explore. It'd be cool if WotC published a sourcebook collecting and further detailing the other worlds mentioned in earlier Reamslore, though I don't hold out much hope for such a book; it'd most likely fall under their "niche market, wouldn't sell enough" category. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 03 Mar 2007 : 07:17:17
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On a side note, the Dark Elven articles I've been writing for the Elven Netbook over on the WotC boards are all written from the perspective of a Drow scholar from Kule, Oerth's moon Celene. I needed a character that was a dark Elf, but still had an outsider's perspective. Also, in an upcoming piece, I plan to allude to the fact that the ancient ruins on Kule (crystal cities) may in fact be Imaskari in origin.
Funny, I never really cared for the Spelljammer setting, but I use the lore all the time. |
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 03 Mar 2007 : 21:56:24
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The world from which Kiaransalee originally came was called Threnody. It is mentioned in Demihuman Deities I believe.
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 03 Mar 2007 : 21:59:35
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| Here is another world to add to the list. In The Shining South sourcebook and previous lore it says the Loxo arrived in Faerun by spelljammer. I would be curious to know of their homeworld. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 04 Mar 2007 : 00:47:44
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As I recall, there's virtually nothing about the Loxoth homeworld in the previous lore either.
Sharmra Lornra may know -- if you can survive long enough to ask her. 
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Delzounblood
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Posted - 04 Mar 2007 : 14:30:18
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[quote]Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I have to think that Kiaraunsalee's dead world and the orc "homeworld" would make for some interesting side treks in a campaign.
Some of these worlds would definitely be nice to explore. It'd be cool if WotC published a sourcebook collecting and further detailing the other worlds mentioned in earlier Reamslore, though I don't hold out much hope for such a book; it'd most likely fall under their "niche market, wouldn't sell enough" category.
I agree, they could do a set of mini-adventures to go with the book, but I don't think it would happen either!
Ohh well, we will just hve to wing it!!
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Delzounblood
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Posted - 04 Mar 2007 : 14:33:06
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Originally posted by nbnmare
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[quote]Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I have to think that Kiaraunsalee's dead world and the orc "homeworld" would make for some interesting side treks in a campaign.
Some of these worlds would definitely be nice to explore. It'd be cool if WotC published a sourcebook collecting and further detailing the other worlds mentioned in earlier Reamslore, though I don't hold out much hope for such a book; it'd most likely fall under their "niche market, wouldn't sell enough" category.
I agree, they could do a set of mini-adventures to go with the book, but I don't think it would happen either!
Ohh well, we will just hve to wing it!!
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nbnmare
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Posted - 11 Mar 2007 : 23:41:48
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| Another to add to the list: the world of Zinzerena's origin (Zinzerena being the drow goddess killed by Lolth during the Time of Troubles). It could well be the same world Kiaransalee comes from, but it could easily be another world entirely. |
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Other worlds of the Forgotten Realms' prime?
