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Ranin
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 Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 16:55:32
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Ok I have a basic question. I know elven folk have no body or facial hair like humans do. But what what about half-elves? Am I correct in my assumption that half-elves may have a range of body and facial hair amounts,depending how much elven or human blood they have in them? What are everyone's thoughts?
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Kuje
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Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 17:45:36
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| Actually, according to Ed, elves in FR do have body and facial hair and so the PHB is not 100% correct. :) So, I'd say half-elves do as well. |
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Delzounblood
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Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 21:46:47
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Originally posted by Kuje
Actually, according to Ed, elves in FR do have body and facial hair and so the PHB is wrong. :) So, I'd say half-elves do as well.
Really!!?
I always assumed elves were as smooth as a new born baby backside!
Though now I think about it, there are some pics of elves (in various books) with a goatee, but on the whole (social?) they are clean shaven!
Hmmm the Kuge strikes again
and the PHB being wrong, why doesn't that surprise me anymore
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 22:17:10
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Originally posted by Delzounblood
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Originally posted by Kuje
Actually, according to Ed, elves in FR do have body and facial hair and so the PHB is wrong. :) So, I'd say half-elves do as well.
Really!!?
I always assumed elves were as smooth as a new born baby backside!
Though now I think about it, there are some pics of elves (in various books) with a goatee, but on the whole (social?) they are clean shaven!
Hmmm the Kuge strikes again
and the PHB being wrong, why doesn't that surprise me anymore
Delz
Really.
Ed even mentioned elven females that shaved thier.... into shapes. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Mazrim_Taim
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Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 22:17:19
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| I had always pictured Elves as being bare skinned, but I can see the occasional Elf having facial hair. I thought it was for aesthetic appeal more than a natural trait. |
And if the PCs DO win their ways through all the liches to Larloch, “he” will almost certainly be just another lich (loaded with explosive spells) set up as a decoy, with dozens of hidden liches waiting to pounce on any surviving PCs who ‘celebrate’ after they take Larloch down. As the REAL Larloch watches (magical scrying) from afar. Myself, as DM, I’d be wondering: “Such a glorious game, so many opportunities laid out before your PCs to devote your time to, and THIS fixation is the best you can come up with? Are you SURE you’re adventurers?” -Ed Greenwood
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Delzounblood
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Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 22:51:15
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Delzounblood
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Originally posted by Kuje
Actually, according to Ed, elves in FR do have body and facial hair and so the PHB is wrong. :) So, I'd say half-elves do as well.
Really!!?
I always assumed elves were as smooth as a new born baby backside!
Though now I think about it, there are some pics of elves (in various books) with a goatee, but on the whole (social?) they are clean shaven!
Hmmm the Kuge strikes again
and the PHB being wrong, why doesn't that surprise me anymore
Delz
Really.
Ed even mentioned elven females that shaved thier.... into shapes. :)
aahhheemmmm!!!
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 23:12:29
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| And perhaps I'm being too scientific about this, but...why would elves be bareskinned and lacking in "facial hair" but still have eyebrows and hair on the top of their heads? |
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Ilztfryn Claddghym
Seeker
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Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 23:16:17
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| Maybe we all pictured elves like that cause there has never been a elf with a beard. Do i recal a drow elf having a beard? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 23:26:59
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Originally posted by Ilztfryn Claddghym
Maybe we all pictured elves like that cause there has never been a elf with a beard. Do i recal a drow elf having a beard?
Well, there was a bearded elf in the last Pools of novel that was based on the mid 90's/2000 Pool of video game. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 23:28:54
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Specifically, here was Ed's initial reply from December '04 -
"Now, as for the rather delicate matter of elven body hair, kuje, you KNOW Ed isn’t the guy to go to for WotC rules battles. The PHBs rule, of course, with one note Ed added (as we laughed together on the phone, remembering the “Do dwarven females have beards?” furor that arose at least thrice, down the years), to whit:
If you always treat the comments in rulebooks as “racial norms” rather than absolutes, and as DM encourage your campaign to be roleplaying-heavy and rules-light (so that book-quoting rules-lawyers can be calmly replied with, “Oh? Really? That’s odd, because standing right in front of you is an individual you can clearly see to be the elf lord you were just introduced to, and yes, he has a pencil-thin moustache and razor-edged, line-of-chin beard. Are you going to tell him to drop the silly magical disguise, or ask him why he’s a freak, or just trust your eyes and accept that he has the hair and go on with life?”), you can ‘explain away’ variants from the ever-changing game rules as “individuals who are different, that’s all.”
As it happens, all of the Knights can attest that Merith Strongbow has both (scant, but dark in hue and definitely present) facial and body hair (though unlike human males, he doesn’t get facial stubble if he doesn’t shave every morning, and in fact never needs to shave) and Torm of the Knights can tell you that certain elf ladies of his acquaintance definitely have genital hair abundant enough to be trimmed into shapes. A subject I’d probably better say nothing more about. :}"
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 00:37:31
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I think part of the "no elf has facial hair" idea comes from that fact that in DragonLance this is flat out stated. Right off the bat early in Dragons of Autumn Twilight its pointed out that Tanis has to be a half-elf because he has a beard. Things get cross pollinated, and eventually the accepted idea is that elves have no facial hair (which then becomes the more emphatically stated PH statement that elves have no body hair at all).
The old Dragon Magazine that introduced snow elves showed one of the snow elves with a mustache, and the 2nd edition Monstrous Compendium page showing drow show a drow with a mustache as well.
Elves don't grow MUCH hair, and its rare for them to have facial hair, but not impossible. Just like elves tend to be thin, but there are fat elves out there from time to time. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 02:12:00
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there are fate elves out there
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 02:18:24
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Genis
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 02:42:24
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| elven females shaved there whats into shapes?!?! lol |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 03:01:59
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
there are fate elves out there
Fate elves? Don't tell me another breed of elves has returned!
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Kuje
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Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 03:11:53
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Originally posted by Genis
elven females shaved there whats into shapes?!?! lol
If you can't figure it out, I'm not going to tell you. :) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 03:31:07
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Genis
elven females shaved there whats into shapes?!?! lol
If you can't figure it out, I'm not going to tell you. :)
Alternatively, you can look over the reply I quoted from Ed above. 
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Ranin
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Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 22:01:41
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Also, I'm just remembering, looking at the images of the graphic novels of Salvatore's Dark Elf trilogy. If I'm remembering correcting, the male drow, as well as on the cover of some of the Salvatore novels, show them with long sideburns, and as we know, sideburns are part of a beard...
About elven females creating shapes... |
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Edited by - Ranin on 23 Feb 2007 22:03:10 |
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Grehnar
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Delzounblood
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 23:23:58
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And, inevitably, here's the link to the typical shapes used by said ladies:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ag/20020628b5
You looked, didn't you? You had to, didn't you?
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Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 23:26:01
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Originally posted by Ranin
About elven females creating shapes...
*Ahem*
Erik's not going to say anything about Twilight. Erik's not going to . . .
*Ahem*
Oops.
Nothing to see here, folks!
Cheers,
Erik
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'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
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Delzounblood
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Posted - 24 Feb 2007 : 00:15:41
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
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Originally posted by Ranin
About elven females creating shapes...
*Ahem*
Erik's not going to say anything about Twilight. Erik's not going to . . .
*Ahem*
Oops.
Nothing to see here, folks!
Cheers,
Erik
Shamelessly plugging his own work since 2005.
(P.S. Gah! -- "shamelessly plugging.")
sorry do you need a torch?
I assumed you did with it starting to get dark!
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Genis
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Posted - 24 Feb 2007 : 21:54:43
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| lol no i can figure out what you mean i just enjoy the whole shocked and suprised/interested approach to things... |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 26 Apr 2008 : 14:52:50
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Fellow scribes!
I know this question has been asked and answered multibale times here at the keep. But I was unable to dig it up via the search engine so I have to ask it again and will misuse this thread 'of halfelves' for it:
I know that all elves breed true with each other.
But what is the what is the outcome of an halfelf and a human?
And that of a halfelf and an elf?
Thanks for your speedy answers.
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Foxhelm
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Posted - 26 Apr 2008 : 15:34:04
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Human or Elf, Pick a side! We're at War! |
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Kuje
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Posted - 26 Apr 2008 : 15:56:41
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Originally posted by Ergdusch
Fellow scribes!
I know this question has been asked and answered multibale times here at the keep. But I was unable to dig it up via the search engine so I have to ask it again and will misuse this thread 'of halfelves' for it:
I know that all elves breed true with each other.
But what is the what is the outcome of an halfelf and a human?
And that of a halfelf and an elf?
Thanks for your speedy answers.
According to the FR box sets its: Half-elf + human = human. Half-elf + elf = elf. And two half elves = half elf. |
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Sian
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Posted - 26 Apr 2008 : 16:02:10
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| halfbreads (like halfelves) that mate with one of the races their parents (or grandparents if both parents is halfbread) would get that race as childen ... only expection to the rule is dwarves which no matter how little amount of dwarf blood you have will be dwarf (slightly higher or lower or thiner depending on the other race) ... this is written in Dwarves Deep ... also that some dwarves (specially females) mate with gnomes due to a 'general' lack of males due to wars and the like |
what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
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Afetbinttuzani
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Posted - 26 Apr 2008 : 16:04:40
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Originally posted by Ergdusch
I know that all elves breed true with each other.
But what is the what is the outcome of an halfelf and a human?
And that of a halfelf and an elf?
Hmmmm, good question. In colonial Spanish America there were illustrated race manuals to make sure everyone knew their place and their name in the racial tree: Spaniard+Indian=Mestizo; Mestizo+Indian=Coyote; Black+Indian=Lobo; and so on ad nauseum. I imagine Elves (like the Spaniards), convinced of the their racial superiority and the need for purity, would have these sorts of racial epithets for people of mixed racial blood. This might be a question for Ed; unless one of the sourcebooks deals with it.
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Ergdusch
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Posted - 27 Apr 2008 : 11:54:56
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Ergdusch
Fellow scribes!
I know this question has been asked and answered multibale times here at the keep. But I was unable to dig it up via the search engine so I have to ask it again and will misuse this thread 'of halfelves' for it:
I know that all elves breed true with each other.
But what is the what is the outcome of an halfelf and a human?
And that of a halfelf and an elf?
Thanks for your speedy answers.
According to the FR box sets its: Half-elf + human = human. Half-elf + elf = elf. And two half elves = half elf.
There we've got the answer! In the FR Box Set it was!
Thanks Kuje. Much appreciated. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 27 Apr 2008 : 23:35:50
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Originally posted by Afetbinttuzani
Hmmmm, good question. In colonial Spanish America there were illustrated race manuals to make sure everyone knew their place and their name in the racial tree: Spaniard+Indian=Mestizo; Mestizo+Indian=Coyote; Black+Indian=Lobo; and so on ad nauseum. I imagine Elves (like the Spaniards), convinced of the their racial superiority and the need for purity, would have these sorts of racial epithets for people of mixed racial blood. This might be a question for Ed; unless one of the sourcebooks deals with it.
Afet
Some elves might do that, but I don't buy it that there would be some kind of universal naming system that all elves would use. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 27 Apr 2008 23:37:28 |
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Ergdusch
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Posted - 28 Apr 2008 : 09:39:48
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Another half-elven question, this time concerning his clerical path:
Would Corellon Larethian answer prayers from a half-elven Cleric?
Would there be another elven god more suited for the worship of a half-elf? Sehanine Moonbow comes to my mind...
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