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Acolyte
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 Posted - 10 Jan 2007 : 02:06:17
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Apex, my mighty Enchanter 5/Red Wizard 2 has finally gotten the Spell Power ability from his prestige class. It is a rather poorly written ability but I believe I now understand it. I'm just looking to confirm that I have it right.
As an Enchanter, Apex gave up the Abjuration and Transmutation schools. Upon achieving Red Wizard he had to give up two more schools (Evocation and Conjuration). Apex has the feats Tattoo Focus, Shadow Weave Magic and Spell Focus Enchantment. Intelligence is currently 21.
My understanding is that Spell Power increases effective caster level for level-dependent spell variables and for caster level checks for all schools. It is stackable with the caster level bonus from Tattoo focus.
Results as I understand it:
Enchantment: Caster level (7 Base + 1 Spell Power = 8 for level-dependent spell variables) or (7 Base + 1 Spell Power + 1 Shadow Weave Magic + 1 Tattoo Focus = +10 vs Spell Resistance).
DC = 10 + 5 Int + 1 Tattoo Focus + 1 Shadow Weave Magic +1 Spell Focus Enchantment = 18 + spell level).
Illusion & Necromancy: Caster level (7 Base + 1 Spell Power = 8 for level-dependent spell variables) or (7 Base + 1 Spell Power + 1 Shadow Weave Magic = +9 vs Spell Resistance).
DC = 10 + 5 Int + 1 Shadow Weave Magic = 16 + spell level).
Divination (plus Conjuration spells known before becoming a Red Wizard): Caster level (7 Base + 1 Spell Power = 8 for level-dependent spell variables or vs Spell Resistance).
DC = 10 + 5 Int = 15 + spell level.
Evocation (spells known before becoming a Red Wizard): Caster level (7 Base + 1 Spell Power - 1 Shadow Weave Magic = 7 for level-dependent spell variables or vs Spell Resistance.
DC = 10 + 5 Int = 15 + spell level.
Abjuration & Transmutation: Cannot cast any of these spells.
Anyone see any rule mistakes in those calculations?
Thanks,
Exploit
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Pasta Fzoul
Seeker
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Posted - 10 Jan 2007 : 07:31:51
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| That all appears correct, as far as I can tell. |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
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Posted - 10 Jan 2007 : 10:22:07
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Originally posted by Exploit
My understanding is that Spell Power increases effective caster level for level-dependent spell variables and for caster level checks for all schools. It is stackable with the caster level bonus from Tattoo focus,
Hi Exploit!
Now, my understanding of the Spell Power (RW special Ability) is that it ONLY applies to the RW specialist's school. Therefore it only increases the spells of that school the RW chose as his wizard school of specialization in 1st lvl (and again MUST choose as his school of Enhanced specialization upon becoming RW).
In the case of your character Apex only the spells from Enchantment school benefit from the spell power ability (+X to spell DC and +X to Caster Lvl checks to overcome spell resistance).
BTW, same goes for Specialist Defence (RW special ability) - it only applies to the saves the RW has to make against his specialist school, in Apex case saves vs. spells of Enchantment (+X to saves vs. Enchantment spells).
Tatoo magic stacks with all RW abilities, but as a matter of fact also only effects spells regarding the specialist school - for Apex Enchantment (+ 1 to saves vs. Enchantment spells & +1 to Caster Lvl checks to overcome spell resistance).
Shadow weave magic also stacks with the above - however it not only applies to Enchantment but also to Necromany, Illusion and 'Darkness' spells as discribed in the FRCS (+1 to spell DC and +1 to Caster Lvl checks to overcome spell resistance)
In Apex case it sums up to this:
+1 Spell Power, +1 Specialist Defence, + Tatoo Focus, + Shadow Weave Magic, +2 Spell Focus Enchantment
totals for (listed by the indipendent schools):
Enchantment - +4 DC, +3 Caster Lvl Check, +2 to saves vs. school
Necromany - +1 DC, +1 Caster Lvl Check
Illusion - +1 DC, +1 Caster Lvl Check
Darkess Spells - +1 DC, +1 Caster Lvl Check
Abjuration & Transmutaion - forfeited
Evocation - -1 Caster Lvl (except Darkness Spell from this school)
Conjuration - not altered
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Pasta Fzoul
Seeker
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Posted - 10 Jan 2007 : 18:13:31
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| Hmm, upon re-reading the description of the Spell Power ability, I see how you may be correct, Ergdusch. I hadn't recognized just how ambiguously worded that ability is! |
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Exploit
Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 10 Jan 2007 : 19:20:48
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Originally posted by Ergdusch
Now, my understanding of the Spell Power (RW special Ability) is that it ONLY applies to the RW specialist's school. Therefore it only increases the spells of that school the RW chose as his wizard school of specialization in 1st lvl (and again MUST choose as his school of Enhanced specialization upon becoming RW).
In the case of your character Apex only the spells from Enchantment school benefit from the spell power ability (+X to spell DC and +X to Caster Lvl checks to overcome spell resistance).
Thanks for the response Ergdusch. I believe your example is referring to the 3.0 Red Wizard which increase the DC's of spells. I should have been more precise and mentioned that I am in a 3.5 campaign.
The wording is very ugly in 3.5 and I have not been able to find an errata anywhere or anything that clarifies the wording. Here is the wording from the DMG 3.5:
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Spell Power: At 2nd level, a Red Wizard gains a bonus that increases his effective caster level for purposes of determining level-dependent spell variables and for caster level checks. The bonus starts at +1 and increases at higher levels, as shown on Table 6–15. This ability stacks with other spell power benefits that affect spells from the Red Wizard’s specialist school.
The first line does not make any reference to only applying to the specialist school. The second line which does reference the specialist school is referring to the stackability with other spell power benefits (the only one which I can find is the Tattoo Focus feat required to be a Red Wizard). I still believe my interpretation is correct but I am not 100% confident...
Regards,
Exploit
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WalkerNinja
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 10 Jan 2007 : 20:54:22
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You might try here
And that is an extremely long link... how do I display that diffently? |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
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Posted - 10 Jan 2007 : 21:21:32
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Originally posted by WalkerNinja
You might try here
And that is an extremely long link... how do I display that diffently?
Well met
Worry not, WalkerNinja. I've formatted this for ye. Simply insert the actual URL in quotes as part of the URL opening tag, for example: {URL="insert url"}text link{/url}
(replacing the braces with square brackets, of course). |
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WalkerNinja
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 10 Jan 2007 : 22:26:40
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testing...
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wonder of wonders! I've learned my first Net Cantrip! |
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Edited by - WalkerNinja on 10 Jan 2007 22:27:11 |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 10 Jan 2007 : 23:02:46
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quote:
Originally posted by WalkerNinja
testing...
Here
wonder of wonders! I've learned my first Net Cantrip!
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Exploit
Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 11 Jan 2007 : 01:56:36
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| Thanks for the link WalkerNinja. I sent the question in and will post the response I get here for anyone who is interested. |
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Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 14 Jan 2007 : 03:01:53
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Just following up for anyone who reads this thread in the future. Here is the response from WOTC.
Response (Sam S.) 01/12/2007 08:16 AM
Hi there Dwayne,
This ability works on all spells the Red Wizard can cast, not just its specialist school spells.
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Jan 2007 : 10:59:46
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So it seems you were right from the beginning! Well, at least we were able to settle that issue.
Good gaming from me as well. Ergdusch |
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