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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore
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Kes_Alanadel
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 07:19:35
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The Sage asked Ed about music in Faerun, and was given a wonderful reply. It's in this year's thread, and I'm sure Kuje has it compiled in his files. 
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Ack! I seem to have too much blood in my coffee stream!
When did 'common sense' cease to be common? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 08:25:54
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Ah, one of my favorite Realmsian subjects...
In addition to what Ed has told me,
A wide selection of FR sourcebooks (mostly 2e -- for example Code of the Harpers and Aurora's Whole Realms Catalogue) provide some details on musical instruments, songs and oral traditions in the Realms. A number of specific song titles, which hint at specific examples of musical styles -- such as ballads -- in the Realms, like "The Cormyte's Boast" from Volo's Guide to Cormyr, have been collated in Krash's listing (found here). Note however, that it is not "all-inclusive." During my own research of music in the Realms (for my proposed Compendium articles), I've discovered several titled songs that have not been mentioned on the listing.
As well, Ed has talked about songs and music (as well as some specific musical pieces) here in his replies at Candlekeep -- specifically his '04 and '05 replies.
Both music and musical items in the Realms are discussed in the 2e and 3e FRCS.
Ed gave us the "Music in the Realms" article in DRAGON #124.
The new Waterdeeep sourcebook has lore about New Olamn (as does Elaine's New Olamn article in DRAGON #335). Elaine's novels -- Elfshadow and Elfsong -- are good resources regarding music and bards of the Realms generally.
Don't forget about the "evil" composer mentioned in Richard Lee Byers contribution to the Halls of Stormweather anthology -- 'Song of Chaos'. While it was his crafted music that originally led to all the reality-altering perceptions of the guests at the concert, the story also tells us a little about composing and music in general in the Realms.
As well, The Yellow Silk, provides some tidbits on the musical scene and some popular songs in both Spandeliyon and Shou Lung.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 08:38:03
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Additionally, I've speculated in the past that "impromptu improvisations" of traditional Realms musical pieces and/or songs are often practiced by bards and wandering minstrels across Faerun.
In fact, like Beethoven or Handel... I do believe that many bards across the Realms likely improvise a great deal during their public performances. With no core communications network in place across the Realms, it can be extremely difficult for bards to keep up on changes to new and/or original music. Thus, they are ultimately forced to rely on their own musical talents and inspiration when performing -- leading to improvisations. These improvisations may even lead to new styles or pieces of music practiced using instruments or musical generation methods not specifically considered to be appropriate for the style. Spontaneity would be crucial here I think... a style that grabs the bard's attention so much that he or she immediately transforms his/her practice to conform to the style playing in his/her mind.
As a musician myself, I can appreciate this fact... especially when playing in front of a live audience. Patrons aren't always interested in the same and usual musical styles... I've noticed this a lot. They usually come to hear something, maybe just a little different to what they were expecting... or a style they've not encountered before. It's these musical surprises that make public musical performances, as a bard would perform in some low-light tavern in any locale throughout the Realms, a real hoot for the bard/musician and the audience as a whole. They share something special... a feeling like, this music was meant only for them alone and for that moment. You'll never experience it the same way again. It's an important element in musical performances and in bardic roleplaying, as I've come to see.
It would only take the bard a fraction of a second to follow up from a possible deviation in a regular piece of music. To continue with the Beethoven example, during public court performances, he would often have several pieces of parchment in front of him while at the piano with the piece he was to play in notation form. But he'd also have writing implements with him so that he could constantly change and alter scales, tones etc during his playing because he discovered new ways in which to practice the music "while it is being played". Often, at the end of each performance... the original pieces of music he'd noted on parchment before his performance did not match what he ended up with at the end of the day. So many new additions and/or ideas had been added that most musical scholars today have a difficult time discerning exactly what they mean.
I can see this happening in the Realms, during a bardic performance. Spontaneity and the mastery of music that the individual bard commands are factors which must be taken into account though, before something like this is even attempted. Afterall, not every crowd is happy to hear improvisations or variations... and I've had crowds literally "boo" me off stage because I chose to deviate, even a little, from standard notation.
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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
1076 Posts |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 08:48:57
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I know that Arik Witchson (here from Candlekeep) made a full list of what music they play all around Forgotten Realms, with the help of many others. Ill try to get the list from him.
But i am happy to see that you (The Sage) also are interested in this question.
I am going to see what this article in DRAGON #124 says about this issue.
Thanks for the info. |
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Aglaranna
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 21:21:37
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| The PC's of my friends and I listen to AC/DC...They have to, seeing as how loud we play it! But I'm not sure that counts... |
"You can choose a ready guide
In some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears
And kindness that can kill
I will choose the path that's clear
I will choose freewill." -'Freewill' by Rush |
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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Twilight
Seeker
Canada
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Posted - 26 Dec 2006 : 03:19:22
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DEAD MILKMEN
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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore
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Twilight
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Canada
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Posted - 26 Dec 2006 : 20:03:06
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| no dead milkmen are a band i love them and you should too |
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Aglaranna
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 26 Dec 2006 : 21:14:25
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Besides perferring my milkmen alive and well...Okay...The fact that I'm listening to Senada #43 in C Sharp Minor Opus 21( I remembered how to say it!!!) is enough to state that I'll listen to anything...But I was in an AC/DC mood.  Normally I prefer subtler stuff...Like Rush...Subtle, huh?  |
"You can choose a ready guide
In some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears
And kindness that can kill
I will choose the path that's clear
I will choose freewill." -'Freewill' by Rush |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 27 Dec 2006 : 00:10:42
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Originally posted by Aglaranna
Besides perferring my milkmen alive and well...Okay...The fact that I'm listening to Senada #43 in C Sharp Minor Opus 21
One of Scriabin's?
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Twilight
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Posted - 27 Dec 2006 : 07:06:34
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| I still recommend some of you give dead milkmen a listen they quite good |
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Victor_ograygor
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Aglaranna
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 27 Dec 2006 : 18:33:40
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Aglaranna
Besides perferring my milkmen alive and well...Okay...The fact that I'm listening to Senada #43 in C Sharp Minor Opus 21
One of Scriabin's?
It was by Beethoven...Obviously, I have no idea what I'm talking about.  I've probably got all the numbers wrong. *sigh* It's be a lot easier if they names! |
"You can choose a ready guide
In some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears
And kindness that can kill
I will choose the path that's clear
I will choose freewill." -'Freewill' by Rush |
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LucianBarasu
Fellaren-Krae Co-ordinator
USA
214 Posts |
Posted - 27 Dec 2006 : 19:40:39
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When I played with my core gamers, I had my D&D computer in the dining room, I spliced the speakers into every corner, surround sound you'd call it. I had winamp playing a randomization of Soundtracks. Conan barbarian, Conan Destroyer, Red Sonja, Gladiator, and Braveheart. IF we went into Aronauch, I'd throw on 13th warrior or Kingdom of Heaven.
When we hit Waterdeep i'd throw on Dragonheart.
I also had NWn folder open so I could play some of their auddio files, like when we were in a bar, there are sounds in the builder program that have people talking and music in the background playing and people calling for drinks..
To me and mine, it's all about atmosphere and immersion. When they feel they are in the game, I noticed less and less OOC chatter or digressing.
BTW, if you play ravenloft or any type of ruins...pick up Sleepy Hollow, From Hell, and Dragonslayer(great 80s flick) it makes it alot scarier. setting the mood makes me enjoy myself also. |
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Fellaren Krae Project Co-Ordinator
"Why do you cry?"
"He is Conan, Cimmerian. He won't cry... So I cry for him."
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Sian
Senior Scribe
Denmark
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Posted - 27 Dec 2006 : 20:12:13
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| Epica ... a lot of the more Ballad-like songs in the 'symphonic epic metal' genre (as in ... Nightwish and Within temptation) ... Rhapsody and parts of ManOwars songs are also able to go around if needed |
what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
She's a women, it happens once a month |
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dwarvenranger
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 27 Dec 2006 : 20:26:58
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| There is a band here in south Texas called E Muzeki. They take old world music, Greek, Israeli, Spanish, Romanian, etc, and give it a new twist but stay true to the roots. They are quite good and I often play them at the gaming table. Since they are a 2 and sometimes 3 person band and use traditional instruments it's easy to imagine they're a couple of wandering bards. |
If I waited till I knew what I was doing, I'd never get anything done.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 27 Dec 2006 : 22:59:05
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Originally posted by Aglaranna
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Aglaranna
Besides perferring my milkmen alive and well...Okay...The fact that I'm listening to Senada #43 in C Sharp Minor Opus 21
One of Scriabin's?
It was by Beethoven...Obviously, I have no idea what I'm talking about. I've probably got all the numbers wrong. *sigh* It's be a lot easier if they names!
No, I don't think so. Opus 21 is Beethoven's Symphony No. 1 in C major.
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Aglaranna
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 27 Dec 2006 : 23:35:32
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Aglaranna
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Aglaranna
Besides perferring my milkmen alive and well...Okay...The fact that I'm listening to Senada #43 in C Sharp Minor Opus 21
One of Scriabin's?
It was by Beethoven...Obviously, I have no idea what I'm talking about. I've probably got all the numbers wrong. *sigh* It's be a lot easier if they names!
No, I don't think so. Opus 21 is Beethoven's Symphony No. 1 in C major.
Told you I've got it all wrong! |
"You can choose a ready guide
In some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears
And kindness that can kill
I will choose the path that's clear
I will choose freewill." -'Freewill' by Rush |
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What kind of music do they hear ?
but i like them too.. thunderstruck yeah yeah yeah thunderstruck 
... "wrong message board".. when you are playing D&D ?